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mekatra
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:47 pm


All my info is coming from sites online, none of this is personal beliefs, so if you think it is wrong, post it but don't yell at me.


Introduction

The term "demons" was not always understood to have the absolutely negative connotation that it does today. Homer used the terms "demons" and "gods" more or less interchangeably. Another opinion was that demons were intermediaries between men and gods, and that demons had once been men. Plutarch speaks of "human souls as commencing, first heroes, then demons, and afterward as advancing to a more sublime degree." Philo of Byblus seems to draw on this same tradition when he states that, "The most ancient of the barbarians, especially the Phoenicians and Egyptians, from whom other people derived this custom, accounted those the greatest gods who had found out things most necessary and useful in life -- and had been benefactors to mankind."

Our current use of the term "demon" is to denote a malignant spirit, and comes to us primarily form New Testament writers. However, there is still uncertainty as to whether or not demons are considered to be distinct and separate from the Devil and his fallen angels.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:50 pm


Demoniacal Possession

Demon possession - that is, a human who has become inhabited or "taken over" by a demon and who cannot, consequently, exercise his own will - is noted in the New Testament, specifically in Mark, Chapter 5, ver. 12. Josephus also mentions a method of exorcism prescribed by Solomon, which had "prevailed or succeeded greatly among them down to the present time." Unfortunately, Josephus does not describe the method used.

There is little doubt that most of what was described in older times as "demon possession" would today be diagnosed as some sort of mental illness, and treated accordingly. Nevertheless, a few cases of possession do seem to crop up from time to time, and the Roman Catholic Church does continue (sparingly) to perform exorcisms.

mekatra
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mekatra
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:51 pm


Demoniacal Prophesy

Ancients also had a sort of faith in the prophetic words spoken by those whom they believed to be possessed by demons, and this was sometimes a component of ancient oracles. In connection with this, it is worth pointing out that a respected modern-day professor of psychology once witnessed a friend, who was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia make a specific and surprising prophecy that turned out to be perfectly accurate. The professor had no explanation for this event. although one is tempted to hypothesize that there is a link between altered mental states and psychic ability. Some also associate the ouija board with demoniacal prophesy, and those who have seen Linda Blair in The Exorcist will recall that this was how her character's problems began.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:03 pm


Demonic Prophecy-

Demons don't know the future any better than humans, but a Clairvoyant demon, can observe the human world and make educated guesses on the information they recieve. So in the possession the demon might want to tell likely events that have yet to happen.

The_Devil_Named_Dante
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mekatra
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:34 pm


On that note Dante, you might want to note that it has been suggested that various demons could traverse time. Would they not know the future then?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:47 pm


there has been legends, but they wouldnt be true. Reason 1: Time paradox, there is a bunch a possibilities, hey dont even have to be direct, like if a demon kills a demon in the past, that demon could have killed a demon that would have killed the demon who would kill the demon that traveled through time, never letting him go back into time to kill the demon, that would kill the demon that would kill him. Reason 2: If the demon goes into the future, the demon would see the future as if the demon just dissapeared the day he went into the future, so when he went back, and went to the future the normal way, by waiting, he would see the future as if he did stay instead of going to the future, so going into the future or past it really is a paradox either way.

The_Devil_Named_Dante
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mekatra
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:24 pm


Though the time paradox theory is plausible you have to take into account that though supposedly chaos is a demon's domain even demons are usually ether too cautious or too lazy to actually do more than observe the flow of time, not actually alter it for fear of altering their own power negatively in the process.

And I concede that traveling into the future could cause a flaw in the demon's vision, but traveling into the past shouldn't change anything as long they remain an impartial observer.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:30 pm


so demons can have retrocogniton, but not precognition due to a unthought of time paradox, so a demon will at lest know what had happened, but not will happen, which is the whole point of a prophecy. still disproving demonic prophecies.

The_Devil_Named_Dante
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mekatra
Captain

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:35 pm


Do you believe in human prophesy? Also, simply believing in something happening can unconsciously cause you to take action to make it happen?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:44 pm


if people have a dream, and assume it is a vision, because they believe they can see a future, when the vision doesnt happen they assume it is going to hapen after their death. they can subconciously cause themselves to believe that they have visions, but they dont.

The_Devil_Named_Dante
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mekatra
Captain

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:51 pm


May I inquire about your basis of that generalization? Most visions I have heard, or so called prophesy about events that involve something or someone within the individual's area. Such as the soothsayer in Julius Cesar, he warned to "Beware the ides of March." What do you make of that type of so called clairvoyance?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:57 pm


as much as clairvoyance is seeing into another world, not precognition, which is seeing into the future. soothsayers often works with demons, which as i said have great observational abilities.

The_Devil_Named_Dante
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mekatra
Captain

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:20 pm


I think we have beaten this argument to death over something petty. I don't see this as a problem we should make a big deal out of anyway.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:30 pm


ya this is an argument over whether demons can see the future or not....kind of pointless...lol

The_Devil_Named_Dante
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mekatra
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:06 pm


Hai Hai.

((Edit: What the heck, it ate my post))

Nothing really could be much to argue about... demonwise I suppose.
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