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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:30 pm
I thought this might be a fun thing to discuss, and should at least partly take my mind off the fact that I'll be getting my 10 foot kangaroo hide bullwhip in about three weeks. It's a 16 plait, black in color, and the fall is three feet, so the reach on it is actually 13 feet. At any rate, a friend of mine, who admits to liking weapons more with flair, said that he didn't think that the whip is the most combat possible weapon. Personally, I beg to differ. For one, it boasts a great variance in range. You can crack it at it's maximum range, or as I've seen some performers do in my research, you can crack it less than an inch from your own face. Also, another thing that not many know: how a whip makes the cracking sound (and I mean the real cracking, which on a ten footer, resembles a gunshot). The way that it works is that the force you apply to the handle transfers down teh whip, and the whip is constantly decreasing in diameter, so the speed increases exponentially as it nears the fall, and ultimately, the cracker, which is moving so fast by that time (approx 1400ft/sec) that the sound is the air rushing to fill the vacuum made by the tip, in essence, a miniature sonic boom. So, if one were to hit something while the crack was going, it would slice clean through most targets, and in the case of hitting a person, it can create gashes and break bones. At any rate, I was curious as to other's thoughts.
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:13 am
Cut skin, yes. But break bone?
Nah.
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:10 pm
Invictus_88 Cut skin, yes. But break bone?
Nah. The ti of the whip is breaking the sound barrier, and going faster than some bullets. With a ten or twelve foot bullwhip, you can do some serious damage, including breaking bones.
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:18 pm
I don't think it's necessarily impractical, but I also don't think it's entirely practical. It loses its effectiveness (like most ranged weapons) at the distance of a few feet, where most fights occur (except on the battlefield, but that's a different story). I also think it would be hard to put into action, as it's a little more than conspicuous to have a ten-foot long cord in your hands, and I don't know much about how its kept in place, but I'm one for being able to conceal a weapon if it relies on range.
For flexible weapons, I like chains, weighted ones. Manriki Gusari is as effective today as it was centuries ago. Its range is not limited to its full length, nor anywhere between that. Its weights are excellent for striking, and it is easy to ensnare a target with the chain. I also like other things, like Kusari Gama, or Kyoketsu Shoge. I mean, they're not inconspicuous, nor easily concealed, but the fact that all of these weapons have another function (or another, different weapon) built into them gives the weapon another advantage. I don't have much knowledge of whips, but I can see it as difficult to regain control if you were to miss (or hit), because it relies on a snap, and for that, it would have to go all the way back (you can prove me wrong on this). What I like about other flexible weapons is that they work in circles, so their control is easy to regain.
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:09 pm
Anything can be a practical weapon if you know how to use it (I'm reminded of Vin Diesel using a cup in Chro. of Riddick). A bullwhip woulld be awesome if you could use it. A chain would do more blunt damage, but it also takes more strength to weild.
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:57 pm
Die Blutgrafin I don't think it's necessarily impractical, but I also don't think it's entirely practical. It loses its effectiveness (like most ranged weapons) at the distance of a few feet, where most fights occur (except on the battlefield, but that's a different story). I also think it would be hard to put into action, as it's a little more than conspicuous to have a ten-foot long cord in your hands, and I don't know much about how its kept in place, but I'm one for being able to conceal a weapon if it relies on range. For flexible weapons, I like chains, weighted ones. Manriki Gusari is as effective today as it was centuries ago. Its range is not limited to its full length, nor anywhere between that. Its weights are excellent for striking, and it is easy to ensnare a target with the chain. I also like other things, like Kusari Gama, or Kyoketsu Shoge. I mean, they're not inconspicuous, nor easily concealed, but the fact that all of these weapons have another function (or another, different weapon) built into them gives the weapon another advantage. I don't have much knowledge of whips, but I can see it as difficult to regain control if you were to miss (or hit), because it relies on a snap, and for that, it would have to go all the way back (you can prove me wrong on this). What I like about other flexible weapons is that they work in circles, so their control is easy to regain. Actually, for one, the whip can hit anywhere within their range. The dea that it has to be at maximum range is a common misconception. It's quiet possible to snap it within an inch of one's bac or face. At the same time, it can be effectively used for binding the opponent and then one can get in close with a knife. Also, the form for a whip is very circular, especially when you get into the territory of multi-cracking. After all, the current record for cracks in a 60 second period of time is somewhere above 220.
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:58 pm
Ire Rican Anything can be a practical weapon if you know how to use it (I'm reminded of Vin Diesel using a cup in Chro. of Riddick). A bullwhip woulld be awesome if you could use it. A chain would do more blunt damage, but it also takes more strength to weild. Also, a whip isn't near as tiring. doing whip work is actually able to be very relaxing as it is able to also be exhilerating.
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:27 am
Shinta Hitokiri Ire Rican Anything can be a practical weapon if you know how to use it (I'm reminded of Vin Diesel using a cup in Chro. of Riddick). A bullwhip woulld be awesome if you could use it. A chain would do more blunt damage, but it also takes more strength to weild. Also, a whip isn't near as tiring. doing whip work is actually able to be very relaxing as it is able to also be exhilerating. It really depends on how you're using the chain, and what kind of chain you're using, though.
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:07 am
Die Blutgrafin Shinta Hitokiri Ire Rican Anything can be a practical weapon if you know how to use it (I'm reminded of Vin Diesel using a cup in Chro. of Riddick). A bullwhip woulld be awesome if you could use it. A chain would do more blunt damage, but it also takes more strength to weild. Also, a whip isn't near as tiring. doing whip work is actually able to be very relaxing as it is able to also be exhilerating. It really depends on how you're using the chain, and what kind of chain you're using, though. Probably true, but the nature of the chain makes it so that one: there's a very limited range of montion, and two: lots of the energy in that system can be lost. In the tight weavings of the whip, none of the systems energy is lost and the lightest flick of the wrist will cause the motion to be magnified one hundred fold at the tip, and let off the snap of a sonic boom.
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:10 am
If a noob uses it you could hit yourself. >_< If a master uses it, it could be lethal. wink
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:25 pm
Shinta Hitokiri Die Blutgrafin Shinta Hitokiri Ire Rican Anything can be a practical weapon if you know how to use it (I'm reminded of Vin Diesel using a cup in Chro. of Riddick). A bullwhip woulld be awesome if you could use it. A chain would do more blunt damage, but it also takes more strength to weild. Also, a whip isn't near as tiring. doing whip work is actually able to be very relaxing as it is able to also be exhilerating. It really depends on how you're using the chain, and what kind of chain you're using, though. Probably true, but the nature of the chain makes it so that one: there's a very limited range of montion, and two: lots of the energy in that system can be lost. In the tight weavings of the whip, none of the systems energy is lost and the lightest flick of the wrist will cause the motion to be magnified one hundred fold at the tip, and let off the snap of a sonic boom. That's really not true. All the retractions and strikes carry back into a weaving fashion, making it really easy to regain control. It's also, by no means, for striking alone. It can be used to ensnare a target, trip, and otherwise disable the target, where the whip is mostly for striking, and each strike is separated. Also, as I said, these weapons tend to have another feature in them. A lot of them have blades or weights attached to them, easy to be used for striking a very close-range. There are reasons these were adopted by the warriors of Japan and China.
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:00 pm
Die Blutgrafin Shinta Hitokiri Die Blutgrafin Shinta Hitokiri Ire Rican Anything can be a practical weapon if you know how to use it (I'm reminded of Vin Diesel using a cup in Chro. of Riddick). A bullwhip woulld be awesome if you could use it. A chain would do more blunt damage, but it also takes more strength to weild. Also, a whip isn't near as tiring. doing whip work is actually able to be very relaxing as it is able to also be exhilerating. It really depends on how you're using the chain, and what kind of chain you're using, though. Probably true, but the nature of the chain makes it so that one: there's a very limited range of montion, and two: lots of the energy in that system can be lost. In the tight weavings of the whip, none of the systems energy is lost and the lightest flick of the wrist will cause the motion to be magnified one hundred fold at the tip, and let off the snap of a sonic boom. That's really not true. All the retractions and strikes carry back into a weaving fashion, making it really easy to regain control. It's also, by no means, for striking alone. It can be used to ensnare a target, trip, and otherwise disable the target, where the whip is mostly for striking, and each strike is separated. Also, as I said, these weapons tend to have another feature in them. A lot of them have blades or weights attached to them, easy to be used for striking a very close-range. There are reasons these were adopted by the warriors of Japan and China. It's silly to say that whips are only for striking, you know, and multiple cracks in a row really aren't that hard, actually. There is another art to whips for binding, making it so the whip wraps about an arm, binds their arms to their torso, or even more viable, about their neck. The typical way it is done by the pros, at any rate, is to crack it before it wraps the target, so that the force is in the motion of binding them, and doesn't damage the quarrey. Also, to go into more depth on what I already said on chains. There's a reason that whips aren't a chain at the core. The core of the whip is actually like a whip that makes up the innards of the whip. Each chain link has only about a 180 degree range of motion, and the dynamics of it don't allow for contorl by subtle movements like those commonly used in whip art. I already also said that lots of the energy in the chain's system is lost, as well. In other words, the energy that reaches the tip of the chain would not be proportional to the energy that you put in.
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:12 pm
Shinta Hitokiri Die Blutgrafin Shinta Hitokiri Die Blutgrafin Shinta Hitokiri Ire Rican Anything can be a practical weapon if you know how to use it (I'm reminded of Vin Diesel using a cup in Chro. of Riddick). A bullwhip woulld be awesome if you could use it. A chain would do more blunt damage, but it also takes more strength to weild. Also, a whip isn't near as tiring. doing whip work is actually able to be very relaxing as it is able to also be exhilerating. It really depends on how you're using the chain, and what kind of chain you're using, though. Probably true, but the nature of the chain makes it so that one: there's a very limited range of montion, and two: lots of the energy in that system can be lost. In the tight weavings of the whip, none of the systems energy is lost and the lightest flick of the wrist will cause the motion to be magnified one hundred fold at the tip, and let off the snap of a sonic boom. That's really not true. All the retractions and strikes carry back into a weaving fashion, making it really easy to regain control. It's also, by no means, for striking alone. It can be used to ensnare a target, trip, and otherwise disable the target, where the whip is mostly for striking, and each strike is separated. Also, as I said, these weapons tend to have another feature in them. A lot of them have blades or weights attached to them, easy to be used for striking a very close-range. There are reasons these were adopted by the warriors of Japan and China. It's silly to say that whips are only for striking, you know, and multiple cracks in a row really aren't that hard, actually. There is another art to whips for binding, making it so the whip wraps about an arm, binds their arms to their torso, or even more viable, about their neck. The typical way it is done by the pros, at any rate, is to crack it before it wraps the target, so that the force is in the motion of binding them, and doesn't damage the quarrey. Not entirely, but I did think it was primarily. Multiple cracks may not be hard, but they are separate, which I would think could slow the attack speed. Another thing, as I was trying to say, is that the weight of the chain is used to give it motion. You're really not putting a lot into it, and it's gaining momentum as it weaves. Another thing is that I was never specifically speaking of chains; I mentioned kusari gama, and kyoketsu shoge, which are typically ropes with weights and blades. Oh, and just to say, you're only referring to bull whips here, but other whips (made of chain) do exist. As I say, I don't think they're impractical weapons, but I do prefer other flexible weapons, and that's just me.
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:11 pm
Die Blutgrafin Shinta Hitokiri Die Blutgrafin Shinta Hitokiri Die Blutgrafin It really depends on how you're using the chain, and what kind of chain you're using, though. Probably true, but the nature of the chain makes it so that one: there's a very limited range of montion, and two: lots of the energy in that system can be lost. In the tight weavings of the whip, none of the systems energy is lost and the lightest flick of the wrist will cause the motion to be magnified one hundred fold at the tip, and let off the snap of a sonic boom. That's really not true. All the retractions and strikes carry back into a weaving fashion, making it really easy to regain control. It's also, by no means, for striking alone. It can be used to ensnare a target, trip, and otherwise disable the target, where the whip is mostly for striking, and each strike is separated. Also, as I said, these weapons tend to have another feature in them. A lot of them have blades or weights attached to them, easy to be used for striking a very close-range. There are reasons these were adopted by the warriors of Japan and China. It's silly to say that whips are only for striking, you know, and multiple cracks in a row really aren't that hard, actually. There is another art to whips for binding, making it so the whip wraps about an arm, binds their arms to their torso, or even more viable, about their neck. The typical way it is done by the pros, at any rate, is to crack it before it wraps the target, so that the force is in the motion of binding them, and doesn't damage the quarrey. Not entirely, but I did think it was primarily. Multiple cracks may not be hard, but they are separate, which I would think could slow the attack speed. Another thing, as I was trying to say, is that the weight of the chain is used to give it motion. You're really not putting a lot into it, and it's gaining momentum as it weaves. Another thing is that I was never specifically speaking of chains; I mentioned kusari gama, and kyoketsu shoge, which are typically ropes with weights and blades. Oh, and just to say, you're only referring to bull whips here, but other whips (made of chain) do exist. As I say, I don't think they're impractical weapons, but I do prefer other flexible weapons, and that's just me. Understandable. I personally consider chains as being chains. I know that there are other flexible weapons, as you were saying, and to be honest, I don't think that if there are chain whips, that they are all too effective. It could be that part of my judgement comes from the fact that I'm getting a whip from one of, if not the best whipmaker in the world.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:06 am
Shinta Hitokiri Invictus_88 Cut skin, yes. But break bone?
Nah. The ti of the whip is breaking the sound barrier, and going faster than some bullets. With a ten or twelve foot bullwhip, you can do some serious damage, including breaking bones. I call bullshit.
It also has negligible mass, you see.
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