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 Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:50 pm
From what I understand, a lot of you vegans refuse to eat eggs/milk because most animals under the mass produced brands are treated horribly.
Let's say that you happened to know a place where the animals were treated properly, fed generously nutritious food, with tons of room to live in, ect ect. A completely symbiotic relationship in which the animals were happy. To a point where you could walk there, at any time, and feel that it was high on the standards of humane treatment.
Would you feel that it is morally fine to eat the eggs/milk?
I'm not a vegan myself, but I'm curious to know what you would do.
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:33 pm
I wouldn't have a problem with eating eggs, but I definitely would not consume dairy. Milk is for a calf, not for humans.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:31 am
No. Animals are not for my use, ever.
Even under the best circumstances, male chicks, or when they got older, roosters would have to be killed. The cow would be near-constantly pregnant, and her babies would be taken away from her for a life of milk-slavery if they're female or for veal if they're male.
Our use of animals always ends badly.
That, and the health problems my family history predisposes me to would be encouraged by all that cholesterol and saturated fat.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:18 pm
lol, I like where this is going. A place where I can express why I'm a vegetarian without pissing people off unprovoked and sounding like a jackass. Please people, discuss. When I see more points to argue, I'll state my argument all at once. that, and it's 11:20 and I don't feel like typing a ton.
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:09 pm
ChaoticConsonance No. Animals are not for my use, ever. Even under the best circumstances, male chicks, or when they got older, roosters would have to be killed. The cow would be near-constantly pregnant, and her babies would be taken away from her for a life of milk-slavery if they're female or for veal if they're male. Our use of animals always ends badly. That, and the health problems my family history predisposes me to would be encouraged by all that cholesterol and saturated fat. Wouldn't the points that you say go against the treatment that I am saying? I know that it isn't at all a realistic situation, especially for retail purposes, but just let it stay an if situation for the purposes of this discussion, please?
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:29 pm
[ The Plastic Katana ] ChaoticConsonance No. Animals are not for my use, ever. Even under the best circumstances, male chicks, or when they got older, roosters would have to be killed. The cow would be near-constantly pregnant, and her babies would be taken away from her for a life of milk-slavery if they're female or for veal if they're male. Our use of animals always ends badly. That, and the health problems my family history predisposes me to would be encouraged by all that cholesterol and saturated fat. Wouldn't the points that you say go against the treatment that I am saying? I know that it isn't at all a realistic situation, especially for retail purposes, but just let it stay an if situation for the purposes of this discussion, please? But it isn't even possible. Show me why it's possible--then I'll consider it. Until then it's about as useful as the "if you were on a desert island with no food except chickens, would you eat them?" question. Hypotheticals of that sort don't really make a point.
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:51 pm
ChaoticConsonance [ The Plastic Katana ] ChaoticConsonance No. Animals are not for my use, ever. Even under the best circumstances, male chicks, or when they got older, roosters would have to be killed. The cow would be near-constantly pregnant, and her babies would be taken away from her for a life of milk-slavery if they're female or for veal if they're male. Our use of animals always ends badly. That, and the health problems my family history predisposes me to would be encouraged by all that cholesterol and saturated fat. Wouldn't the points that you say go against the treatment that I am saying? I know that it isn't at all a realistic situation, especially for retail purposes, but just let it stay an if situation for the purposes of this discussion, please? But it isn't even possible. Show me why it's possible--then I'll consider it. Until then it's about as useful as the "if you were on a desert island with no food except chickens, would you eat them?" question. Hypotheticals of that sort don't really make a point.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:19 pm
I used to have four pet chickens.
all of them were completely tame and affectionate, and we're not zoned to own roosters so the eggs were entirely edible.
they were also organic and fresh.
so yes, i ate those, if my dog didn't find/eat them first.
in fact, i stopped eating storebought eggs after i saw the difference. you know how storebought eggs are yellowish grey?
our fresh eggs were orange-yellow and twenty times better tasting.
now they're all too old to lay (except harriet laid one on easter and one on christmas, she's adorable) so i don't eat them anymore.
but if we didn't eat their eggs, they'd rot and go bad and be of no use.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:50 pm
That's funny. I asked my vegan friend this before I became vegan.
I wouldn't eat eggs or drink milk, no matter the condition or treatment.
Drinking cow's milk, goat's milk, or any other animal's milk is just like going to a breast-feeding woman and drinking from her. That's how I think of it, so please don't bash me or anything.
Also, to me, eating eggs is just like abortion. In my view, anyways. The poor chicken is killed before it even lived.
So, to give you the straight up answer:
Nope
-Abrasion
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:04 pm
Abrasion-IsCrowFood- That's funny. I asked my vegan friend this before I became vegan.
I wouldn't eat eggs or drink milk, no matter the condition or treatment.
Drinking cow's milk, goat's milk, or any other animal's milk is just like going to a breast-feeding woman and drinking from her. That's how I think of it, so please don't bash me or anything.
Also, to me, eating eggs is just like abortion. In my view, anyways. The poor chicken is killed before it even lived.
So, to give you the straight up answer:
Nope
-Abrasion I would like to add, you are not eating an abortion. Nothing that would ever live is aborted. Chickens lay eggs like a woman has her period. An egg needs sperm to become an animal. Not that eating period is any better. confused To the OP, as far as dairy cows producing milk under better conditions; I would still not drink milk. Many v*gans who have lost the ability to produce lactase should have enough reason to not have anything to do with anything that comes out of a cows udders. Nutritionally, I have absolutly no need to eat or drink anything produced from any animal and physically my digestive system will thank me.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:16 am
No. The female cows would still have to live their lives constantly being pregnant (how do you think they can provide the milk), and the male baby cows would still get sent to be veal.
Exploitation is exploitation no matter how well it is disguised.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:21 pm
Henbane Abrasion-IsCrowFood- That's funny. I asked my vegan friend this before I became vegan.
I wouldn't eat eggs or drink milk, no matter the condition or treatment.
Drinking cow's milk, goat's milk, or any other animal's milk is just like going to a breast-feeding woman and drinking from her. That's how I think of it, so please don't bash me or anything.
Also, to me, eating eggs is just like abortion. In my view, anyways. The poor chicken is killed before it even lived.
So, to give you the straight up answer:
Nope
-Abrasion I would like to add, you are not eating an abortion. Nothing that would ever live is aborted. Chickens lay eggs like a woman has her period. An egg needs sperm to become an animal. Not that eating period is any better. confused To the OP, as far as dairy cows producing milk under better conditions; I would still not drink milk. Many v*gans who have lost the ability to produce lactase should have enough reason to not have anything to do with anything that comes out of a cows udders. Nutritionally, I have absolutly no need to eat or drink anything produced from any animal and physically my digestive system will thank me.
Ah, I see.
I actually always thought that chickens needed to mate to produce eggs. Shows how much I know. : P
Eating a period... ew. Bahaha
Thank you for telling me this. I would have been telling all the people that ask me why I don't eat eggs the wrong thing. : [
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:25 pm
[ The Plastic Katana ] From what I understand, a lot of you vegans refuse to eat eggs/milk because most animals under the mass produced brands are treated horribly. Let's say that you happened to know a place where the animals were treated properly, fed generously nutritious food, with tons of room to live in, ect ect. A completely symbiotic relationship in which the animals were happy. To a point where you could walk there, at any time, and feel that it was high on the standards of humane treatment. Would you feel that it is morally fine to eat the eggs/milk? I'm not a vegan myself, but I'm curious to know what you would do. No, I still wouldn't, no one can change the fact it is still exploitation. I'm also lactose intolerant.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:37 am
I used to be vegan and still am mostly vegan.
If these conditions really existed, I'd be OK with it.
In the real world, I don't see the certain problems with production ending anytime soon.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:13 am
Cow's milk is not natural to be consumed by humans.
Cows milk is for baby cows. Dog milk for puppies. Giraffe milk for baby giraffes.
Mother's milk for our babies.
Milk from another species isn't natural for us to consume. It has bad health effects.
Plus..eggs. Well I think eggs should be classified as meat even though the egg doesn't have a baby chick. Its a cell that came from a bird. Eating something that came out of an animal is kinda...ew.
Would anyone eat their own menstrual matter for the protein? Fry it up into an omelet?
Anyway.
Even if conditions improved. We'd still be stealing milk that rightfully belongs to baby cows.
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