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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:55 pm
I've noticed recently that my general performance during lessons is greatly dependent upon my stirrup length. For instance, when my stirrups are somewhat short, I can hold two-point for long stretches of time and do posting trot with ease. I struggle to keep my seat deep in the saddle for sitting trot, though. When I have long (dressage length) stirrups, my sitting trot is good, but I have a harder time holding two-point and doing posting trot. I also just feel more secure when my stirrups are longer, but I really don't like not being able to post or hold 2-point well. I think my main problem is that my legs are relying too much on my stirrups to post and do two-point well when my stirrups aren't short. What should I do to fix this?
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:06 pm
Stirrups are there as REASSURANCE for most riders. If you aren't comfortable with either one set length or the other, GO IN BETWEEN. biggrin Like, say your "short" stirrup length is oh...from the tip of your middle finger to about a few inched past your elbow, and your Dressage length is from the tip of your middle finger to about your shoulder; You would want to go IN BETWEEN the two. Which would be to about your armpit or a little lower. THOUGH, you Should NEVER rely on your stirrups to carry you. EVER. Your legs and thighs and calves do ALL the work for hanging on. Ever do stirrup-less riding or bareback? You don't get stirrups to make you comfy. You get to use your legs. biggrin
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:09 pm
Thanks, I think I've tried going in the middle, but it kind of makes it less comfortable to sit the trot than a longer stirrup, and less comfortable to post than a shorter stirrup. Yes, I do work without stirrups, but not very often, and bareback even less, but I ride only in lessons.
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:13 pm
The reason for the different stirrup lengths is because different activities are easier or more difficult with them. The reason you keep your stirrups shorter when you're jumping is so that you can get off your horses back and to allow you to close the angle of your hip more efficiently over the fence. However, this tighter knee and hip angle makes it more difficult to sink down in your saddle and sit. With the longer stirrup at your dressage length, you can let your leg drape down your horse's sides and settle into the saddle to sit, but because you have a more open hip angle, you can't fold as well at the hip to get into two-point.
When getting into two-point with longer stirrups, or with posting, your upper-body has to be much more upright than it is when you have your jumping length. Your two-pointis close to vertical position than the actual two-point that you do when you jump. Only raise yourself out of the saddle a few inches, and you hardly incline your body forward at all. It's a similar with posting, keep your upper body straight and don't try to rise as far out of the saddle. Your objective is more to move with the rhythm of the horse than to clear the saddle. In order to sit the trot with your short stirrups, you need abs. The stronger your abs, the better your sitting trot will be in general. An article I read once said that every step of sitting trot is a sit-up. And that's with dressage length stirrups where you have your long leg to stabilize you. When your stirrups are short, it has to be all in your abs. Someone who rides hunters could give you better advice on sitting the trot correctly in a jumping saddle, as I'm pretty sure I don't do it right. But a lot of it has to do with strength.
If you're just going for a relaxing hack, then put your stirrups at an intermediate length, like Sai said, so that you'll be more comfortable doing whatever. But it is possible to do everything from either length, it just takes and understanding of the repositioning of the body.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:54 am
Thanks for the help! I'll try to fix my sitting trot from a medium length, but I'm pretty sure I'll bounce all over the place, I have to get stronger. confused
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:48 pm
i have a comfortable length that i usually do all my normal riding in (schooling, trail rides and what not). i found that with the stirrup lethers i use, that dressage is one hole longer and jumping is 2 shorter. if im riding a horse i dont know or has a history of being wormy or is green, ill often put it one hole shorter than normal because it helps keep a solid base. i hardly ever lengthen my stirrups to dressage length because when i practice for dressage at home, or often just got without. but for me, theres usually a cut. if im going to work on dressge, thats what im doing that day and if im jumping, im jumping. so i have the stirrups ready for the day.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:32 pm
Heh, I'll actually usually put the stirrups DOWN a hole if I think the horse might be acting up because the longer leg gives me a better sense of stability. It just depends on the individual rider and what their comfort level and background are. Since my background is mostly dressage, a longer stirrup is comfortable for me. If you grew up riding hunters, you'll have a stronger base of support with a shorter stirrup. It all depends on what you're comfortable with. smile
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:49 pm
i can keep my heel down and my leg under me easier with a short stirrup. i have a good jumping position but a rather crappy one on the flat or dressage xd (chair seat). i usually dont place well in equitation (well u know, of course above the little girls who cant make their horses go round or the ones that cant stay in the saddle)-ive never won-, but i always do really well in hunt seat (equitation over jumps). haha, i guess im just made to jump.
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:41 pm
I wouldn't worry TOO much about having issues with the sitting trot. I think a lot of people really underestimate the difficulty of the sitting trot when on certain horses.
Throw a rider on an uneducated TB with its head in the air and a choppy gait, and ask the person to sit the trot. NOT fun, or comfy in any way.
Same with those dang bouncy Arabs. My muscles hurt after sitting the trot on an Arab for any extended period of time. rofl
THAT'S why I love my smooth QH. Sitting her trot's a breeze, just because how she's built. xp
Also, a tip for strengthening the legs.. post WITHOUT STIRRUPS. OMG. So hard to do unless you have thighs of steel. xd
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:46 pm
Darkeenya I wouldn't worry TOO much about having issues with the sitting trot. I think a lot of people really underestimate the difficulty of the sitting trot when on certain horses.
Throw a rider on an uneducated TB with its head in the air and a choppy gait, and ask the person to sit the trot. NOT fun, or comfy in any way.
Same with those dang bouncy Arabs. My muscles hurt after sitting the trot on an Arab for any extended period of time. rofl
THAT'S why I love my smooth QH. Sitting her trot's a breeze, just because how she's built. xp
Also, a tip for strengthening the legs.. post WITHOUT STIRRUPS. OMG. So hard to do unless you have thighs of steel. xd heh, very true. We have one horse at our school barn (we're not really sure why we have him...) he's a "dressage horse", but mostly because I think he's too crazy for the hunt program. His name is Robbie, but we call him Robbie the llama, or just llama. He's built upside down. Looks kind of like a Dr. Seuss horse. He is physically incapable of bringing his back up because of the way he's built. So I don't sit on him. Ever. I'll sit lightly in the canter, but I refuse to sit his trot, because it's uncomfortable for both of us. I did 20 minutes of work without stirrups today. I'm not sure if I'll be able to walk tomorrow! xd
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:18 am
Quote: Also, a tip for strengthening the legs.. post WITHOUT STIRRUPS. OMG. So hard to do unless you have thighs of steel. icon_xd.gif Holy macaroni...I hated it when my trainer had me do that. She'd do this thing where she'd have me post five strides, two-point five, and sit five. I thought I was going to DIE. I mean, I know why she had me do it but, lord, I thought my muscles were going to peel off. I felt like I was walking in slow motion after my lesson!
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:45 am
Yes. Do posting trot without your stirrups. I did it on Bob, and dear god, his trot is bouncier then ANY Belgians. Lessons without stirrups will make you stronger and not need your stirrups as much.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:54 am
posting without stirrups is actually a lot easier on bouncier horses, because they help to propel you out of the saddle for the post, all you have to do is stay in rhythm with them. Now, working without stirrups one a horse with super-smooth gaits, NOT FUN. Oh man, my legs have never hurt so much as the no-stirrup lessons on the semi-gaited horses (gaited enough to have really smooth gaits, but not gaited enough to have the special "gait" that you don't have to post. Seriously screwy, and no upward propulsion!)
My thoroughbreds seem to strike a perfect balance for no-stirrup work. I'll post until my legs start to get too tired, then I'll sit and work my abs for a while. By the time my abs are aching, my legs are recovered enough to go back to posting. It's great. smile
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:07 pm
My position is my legs underneath me and there should be a straight line from your shoulder to your hips to your heels (which should be way down) ^-^ as for two point, I would fold with a flexible back and stay out of the tack until after landing and release some of the reins on the upper mane crest
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:08 pm
^-^ hope this helps. My horsie does better with a sitting trot than a rising, but I believe a posting trot is more helpful: if you quicken your post your horse should lengthen his or her trot. If you slower your posting, your pony should shorten their strides.
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