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 Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:53 pm
Warning: This is my opinion and I think it makes sense, if you don't agree, voice it. I'll read it, sure, but don't expect me to say "Ohh, you're right and I'm wrong." because I don't intend to.(Unless it makes a lot of sense...) The game (Like many online games) tries to fool you into thinking they are the weakest class but that is proved wrong by the gameplay. The Adept Rogue gains power slower than the other classes (Weapon skills, stats, etc) The only reason Haseo is considered so powerful is the amount of time he puts into his training. He isn't actually a rigged character if you think about it, he's just the only person who's set themselves on using an Adept Rogue 100% while other people give it a try and immediately label it as weak because it starts that way. Matsu is the same, but Haseo works harder for it. (Completes more quests, fights more monsters, etc.) The only time Haseo becomes a buffed character is when he receives the -spoiler- Xth form -spoiler-, and that's only -spoiler- because Zelkova hacked his PC to allow his normal battle character access to Skeith's power 100%. -spoiler- 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:00 am
.... dude did you even freaken watch .hack//Roots!
first off, when haseo reached the end of the forest event he gained a hacked form or rather achieved his 2nd job change without doing the job extension quest. From there blah blah after a few episodes near the ending of roots Tri Edge aka. Azure flame data drains Haseo for gaining his job extensions beyond the system.
Adept rouges are and never were weak to begin with in the system. Rather it is based on a 4 point system for jobs. For example broad sword wielder is 1 point, twin blader is 1 point, and 2 points for a flick reaper. Depending on the jobs adept rouges choose it is the diffulcultie for the rouge. Haseo chosed the most easiest and wisiest choices for a adept rouge.
First off in the game they never said it was weak, they declaired it more difficult to use. If you have not noticed certain weps do more dmg on certain monsters. For example Goblins are weak against twin blader. It is true it takes time and effort to train a adempt rouge but then again ;p he had no choice.
The Xth form is not in the system it is somthing patched up by Zelkova to connect to his avatar. The stronger Haseo's will is the more powerful he is with his new form.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:18 pm
I've seen .hack//roots so, I semily agree with Doushu but, I agree more with Ryodaisho. If I was an Adept Rouge(and could be), I'd choose some different classes but, in truth, they are extremely powerful. With lots of training and the right items, even if Haseo stayed in his first form, I'm sure he'd kill just about anyone.
But, I don't agree with Doushu's reasons for Haseo gaining his 3rd form.
Here's my theory. Haseo's 3rd form, most likely resembles his dark nature at that precise moment. When he received the form, he spoke with the AI Harald. My guess, is that Haseo received the form from the AI because of 1, his dark nature and 2, his particularly rude comment to Harald. Plus, couldn't the Forest of Pain be counted for a Job Extension due to it's difficulty?
Also, I'm guessing about Kite Data draining Haseo back to his first form.
I'm guessing that Kite data drained Haseo because he knew how dangerous Haseo was and that at his current state, Skeith could not be awakened and was ordered by Aura to fight Haseo and help him regain a state of sanity, which he lacked after Shino was PKed by Ovan.
These are my thoughts. if you proceed to argue with them, be my guest.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:21 pm
Doushu .... dude did you even freaken watch .hack//Roots! first off, when haseo reached the end of the forest event he gained a hacked form or rather achieved his 2nd job change without doing the job extension quest. From there blah blah after a few episodes near the ending of roots Tri Edge aka. Azure flame data drains Haseo for gaining his job extensions beyond the system. Adept rouges are and never were weak to begin with in the system. Rather it is based on a 4 point system for jobs. For example broad sword wielder is 1 point, twin blader is 1 point, and 2 points for a flick reaper. Depending on the jobs adept rouges choose it is the diffulcultie for the rouge. Haseo chosed the most easiest and wisiest choices for a adept rouge. First off in the game they never said it was weak, they declaired it more difficult to use. If you have not noticed certain weps do more dmg on certain monsters. For example Goblins are weak against twin blader. It is true it takes time and effort to train a adempt rouge but then again ;p he had no choice. The Xth form is not in the system it is somthing patched up by Zelkova to connect to his avatar. The stronger Haseo's will is the more powerful he is with his new form. : That made little to no sense... I may be an idiot (It's likely) but still, you'll have to explain that properly if you want someone to understand it. The game does say that Adept rogues are weak, read the in game forums about it and very few people doubt that Adept rogues (Besides the "Terror of Death" who was rigged at the point when people widely knew him.) And AK (Azure Kite) Data drained Haseo which as we all should know, sent him straight back to level 1 and set all of his stats to normal. It says in the game "The power I considered invincible, was taken from me." Which means he lost said "Rigged-ness" at that moment in time.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:24 pm
_sasuke_kakashi_373 I've seen .hack//roots so, I semily agree with Doushu but, I agree more with Ryodaisho. If I was an Adept Rouge(and could be), I'd choose some different classes but, in truth, they are extremely powerful. With lots of training and the right items, even if Haseo stayed in his first form, I'm sure he'd kill just about anyone.
But, I don't agree with Doushu's reasons for Haseo gaining his 3rd form.
Here's my theory. Haseo's 3rd form, most likely resembles his dark nature at that precise moment. When he received the form, he spoke with the AI Harald. My guess, is that Haseo received the form from the AI because of 1, his dark nature and 2, his particularly rude comment to Harald. Plus, couldn't the Forest of Pain be counted for a Job Extension due to it's difficulty?
Also, I'm guessing about Kite Data draining Haseo back to his first form.
I'm guessing that Kite data drained Haseo because he knew how dangerous Haseo was and that at his current state, Skeith could not be awakened and was ordered by Aura to fight Haseo and help him regain a state of sanity, which he lacked after Shino was PKed by Ovan.
These are my thoughts. if you proceed to argue with them, be my guest. True, but something I noticed is that while if you work hard enough, you can get higher weapon mastery levels as a form but it seems to get easier to power up as you progress. I think this is because the power of an Adept Rogue lies in the job change. I don't know if that made sense, but yeah... I thought it did.
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:47 pm
Ryodaisho _sasuke_kakashi_373 I've seen .hack//roots so, I semily agree with Doushu but, I agree more with Ryodaisho. If I was an Adept Rouge(and could be), I'd choose some different classes but, in truth, they are extremely powerful. With lots of training and the right items, even if Haseo stayed in his first form, I'm sure he'd kill just about anyone.
But, I don't agree with Doushu's reasons for Haseo gaining his 3rd form.
Here's my theory. Haseo's 3rd form, most likely resembles his dark nature at that precise moment. When he received the form, he spoke with the AI Harald. My guess, is that Haseo received the form from the AI because of 1, his dark nature and 2, his particularly rude comment to Harald. Plus, couldn't the Forest of Pain be counted for a Job Extension due to it's difficulty?
Also, I'm guessing about Kite Data draining Haseo back to his first form.
I'm guessing that Kite data drained Haseo because he knew how dangerous Haseo was and that at his current state, Skeith could not be awakened and was ordered by Aura to fight Haseo and help him regain a state of sanity, which he lacked after Shino was PKed by Ovan.
These are my thoughts. if you proceed to argue with them, be my guest. True, but something I noticed is that while if you work hard enough, you can get higher weapon mastery levels as a form but it seems to get easier to power up as you progress. I think this is because the power of an Adept Rogue lies in the job change. I don't know if that made sense, but yeah... I thought it did.
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:39 pm
i hear you. basically adept rogues may be slower to gain power/skill but giving proper training there one of stronger classes due their being able you use multiple weapons that may be more effective against certain types of monster. also unlike in the first series they could use heavy armor and not have much of movement problem unless wielding large weapon like a big sword. Though to make up for that there limited to only low level healing and low level spells to make up for it which could be very deadly if the other take advantage of said advantages and had the power to back it up. then getting on to haseo skipping to the terror of death form at the forest of death it can be left to theorized that the only reason why haseo got that form was because his sleeping avatar protected him from getting killed for answering wrong. also doing the forest a pain he must gotten so much stronger for the battles he did fight. He was not unbeatable just a lot higher level especially because he did get killed by certain pc that was strong enough to take on azure kite and live to tell about it.
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