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 Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:27 am
OK, it's being called for that I post a significant portion of my knowledge of kitsune lore here so that the people who haven't done the research can learn from the time I've put into this.
I'm in the process of getting a large amount of information (kitsune legends, kitsune-related festivals/rituals, etc.) converted from the weird format I have it in on my computer into HTML so I can post it somewhere, but until then, the best thing is to get the basics down in here.
For starters: Kitsune does not mean halfbreed fox. Kitsune is the Japanese word for fox, and also applies to the fox spirit, which is somewhat of a trickster. They usually have powers of illusion and the ability to use something similar to fire magic, and are definitely known for being cunning.
The best way to tell how powerful a kitsune spirit is, is to count its tails. They range from one to nine, and generally the more there are, the older and more powerful the kitsune is. (for an example of what this looks like, the Pokemon "Ninetales" is a fairly obvious example)
It's not uncommon for a kitsune to enter a human form (though this usually does not include fox ears or tail, they way they are in anime) in order to trick someone or accomplish some goal of theirs. Kitsune morality is mostly along the lines of "whatever's good for me," though there are instances of when this didn't apply.
The most important thing to remember is that kitsune, unlike most of the legendary "monsters" you might be familiar with, are not inherently good or evil. They are nature spirits, and as such are pretty much neutral, so could go either way.
More to come wink
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:50 am
Could I also add that the existance of the kitsune is very mysterious at best? Kitsune is a japanese word, originated from the combination of kitsu (both the sound the fox makes and, in ancient japanese tongue, meaning fox itself) and ne, a term adding affection, i believe?
The mystic fox form of similar story can range from Norse and Irish folklore to Native American beliefs. There is very few sets of religions that can agree between each other, but the consensus are the same to what Hikari had said. You can check reference for background story and what they are through a search engine or through a coyote/fox forum, many know of, and are interested in, the story.
Some rumors I've heard myself is people believing that the appearance of a kitsune, is so rare that it symbolized the coming of a significant event. I've heard in my readings that kitsune are mostly in fact female, any male kitsune are very rare and very unique. And contrary to popular belief, kitsune don't like to fight, they prefer to woo and seduce the enemy, avoiding all conflict. smile
Does that match up with your information Hikari? *smiles*
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 5:18 pm
Psynch Does that match up with your information Hikari? *smiles* Yup, that all sounds about right... **sigh** I hate having OCR software that doesn't work right... I've got a huge pile of scans and photocopies with kitsune stuff, and I'm having to type it all by hand sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:20 pm
I'd offer up some of the images and stuff I have but as yet I've not quite figured out how to.
Have you info about the symbolism of the fur colors and the kitsunes association with Inari? I have some information if you should want it.
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:58 pm
I have no idea if this is right, but I read in a book set in Japan that seeing a kitsune was seeing the soul of a loved one headed for heaven. That just died. grammer mine is sad. blaugh
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:49 pm
[correction: Kitsune is singular and plural, so no "kitsunes".]
If I'm not correct, kitsune's actual translation can mean two different phrases: either "Come and sleep." or "Always comes."
Thus the reason foxes are often associated with sex and seduction.
Actually in stories, it is often a vixen who takes the form of a beautiful woman and seduces a man.
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:26 pm
Males and females take on the form of a beautiful woman for the purpose of trickery. (thus the "sexy no jitsu" joke in the Naruto anime/ manga series)
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:43 am
It should also be noted that sometimes the nine-tailed kitsune are considered a different type of fox spirit, known as the kyubbi or Yoh-Ko.
Kitsune do not exist soley in Japanese mythology. They existed also in Chinese mythology, and are believed to cause continuead accidents and misfortune to houses or villages who have angered them. One could try to exorcise them, but, since the spirits are not neccecarily evil, people often made small dwellings for them.
Also, the god Dionysus of greek mythology could assume the form of a fox.
*puts away his book*
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 1:02 pm
Zach_Barren It should also be noted that sometimes the nine-tailed kitsune are considered a different type of fox spirit, known as the kyubbi or Yoh-Ko. Kitsune do not exist soley in Japanese mythology. They existed also in Chinese mythology, and are believed to cause continuead accidents and misfortune to houses or villages who have angered them. One could try to exorcise them, but, since the spirits are not neccecarily evil, people often made small dwellings for them. Also, the god Dionysus of greek mythology could assume the form of a fox. *puts away his book* Wasn't that the wine god? Or am I just daft?
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 5:53 pm
kitsune shojo Zach_Barren It should also be noted that sometimes the nine-tailed kitsune are considered a different type of fox spirit, known as the kyubbi or Yoh-Ko. Kitsune do not exist soley in Japanese mythology. They existed also in Chinese mythology, and are believed to cause continuead accidents and misfortune to houses or villages who have angered them. One could try to exorcise them, but, since the spirits are not neccecarily evil, people often made small dwellings for them. Also, the god Dionysus of greek mythology could assume the form of a fox. *puts away his book* Wasn't that the wine god? Or am I just daft? Not positive, but I think the wine god is Baccaus
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 9:20 pm
Zach_Barren kitsune shojo Zach_Barren It should also be noted that sometimes the nine-tailed kitsune are considered a different type of fox spirit, known as the kyubbi or Yoh-Ko. Kitsune do not exist soley in Japanese mythology. They existed also in Chinese mythology, and are believed to cause continuead accidents and misfortune to houses or villages who have angered them. One could try to exorcise them, but, since the spirits are not neccecarily evil, people often made small dwellings for them. Also, the god Dionysus of greek mythology could assume the form of a fox. *puts away his book* Wasn't that the wine god? Or am I just daft? Not positive, but I think the wine god is Baccaus Dionous is the Greecian God of Wine Here's a good website for Kitsune, as well as other Japanese dieties: http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/oinari.shtml
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 1:24 pm
Angelidollinda Zach_Barren kitsune shojo Zach_Barren It should also be noted that sometimes the nine-tailed kitsune are considered a different type of fox spirit, known as the kyubbi or Yoh-Ko. Kitsune do not exist soley in Japanese mythology. They existed also in Chinese mythology, and are believed to cause continuead accidents and misfortune to houses or villages who have angered them. One could try to exorcise them, but, since the spirits are not neccecarily evil, people often made small dwellings for them. Also, the god Dionysus of greek mythology could assume the form of a fox. *puts away his book* Wasn't that the wine god? Or am I just daft? Not positive, but I think the wine god is Baccaus Dionous is the Greecian God of Wine Here's a good website for Kitsune, as well as other Japanese dieties: http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/oinari.shtml Yup, and Baccaus is the Roman god of wine. They're the same deity xp
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 2:04 pm
Zach_Barren Angelidollinda Zach_Barren kitsune shojo Zach_Barren It should also be noted that sometimes the nine-tailed kitsune are considered a different type of fox spirit, known as the kyubbi or Yoh-Ko. Kitsune do not exist soley in Japanese mythology. They existed also in Chinese mythology, and are believed to cause continuead accidents and misfortune to houses or villages who have angered them. One could try to exorcise them, but, since the spirits are not neccecarily evil, people often made small dwellings for them. Also, the god Dionysus of greek mythology could assume the form of a fox. *puts away his book* Wasn't that the wine god? Or am I just daft? Not positive, but I think the wine god is Baccaus Wine Dionous is the Greecian God of Wine Here's a good website for Kitsune, as well as other Japanese dieties: http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/oinari.shtml Yup, and Baccaus is the Roman god of wine. They're the same deity xp partying!
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 1:22 pm
foxsvine Zach_Barren Angelidollinda Zach_Barren kitsune shojo Zach_Barren It should also be noted that sometimes the nine-tailed kitsune are considered a different type of fox spirit, known as the kyubbi or Yoh-Ko. Kitsune do not exist soley in Japanese mythology. They existed also in Chinese mythology, and are believed to cause continuead accidents and misfortune to houses or villages who have angered them. One could try to exorcise them, but, since the spirits are not neccecarily evil, people often made small dwellings for them. Also, the god Dionysus of greek mythology could assume the form of a fox. *puts away his book* Wasn't that the wine god? Or am I just daft? Not positive, but I think the wine god is Baccaus Wine Dionous is the Greecian God of Wine Here's a good website for Kitsune, as well as other Japanese dieties: http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/oinari.shtml Yup, and Baccaus is the Roman god of wine. They're the same deity xp partying! This is true
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:33 pm
Also kitsune have been known to use leaves or a piece of the thing they are about to transform into to well...transform.
They are also put in the same group of beings known as 'henge' for their ability to shapeshift. Tanuki and tengu are also in that same category.
...That's correct, right? I don't want to give bad information...
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