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 Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:36 pm
I just got the TIME magazine today and it made me wonder how do some wiccans feel about the theory of evolution? Feel free to state your point of view on this subject.
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:49 pm
You know, I never really thought of it. I have no idea how I feel on it. I'm more enclined to believe in the evolution of man from the whole Cro-Magman thing than the whole Adam and Eve stuff.
By the way, to anyone here in the guild, I'm making Candybar Dolls like the one in my sig for free for guild members only. PM me with your e-mail addy and I'll send you a doll as close looking to your avatar as the site allows me.
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:12 pm
We evolved from apes, we came from Adam and Eve, who knows...We won't, but still I believe in evolution to some extent. I love the Big Bang Theory too, it sounds more accurate then most anything else. Whatever you believe in is your choice.
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:13 pm
Double post --' hate that...
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:52 pm
TIME?! *checks mail* I likes the TIME magazine...
Anyway, I don't exactly believe in evolution. So far, I'd say it's the most accurate theory/story/whatever the hell of how humans came to be. It's better than Adam and Eve, for sure. mad Haven't done much research on it myself. I don't put faith in it though. Seems kind of contradictory to put faith into one way science explains we evolved, when ten years from now they could very well change it to be more accurate. When it's as sure (okay, not as since we'll never have satellite photos of evolution) as the Earth is round, I'll put faith in it.
Seeing as how I'm atheist, though, there isn't much else... gyah, I can't explain this well...
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:02 pm
I support the Evolution Theory. I try to read about it as much as I can and listen to Evolution vs Creation debates.
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:03 pm
I tend to lean towards the theory of Evolution, but it's not like there is anyway for anyone to know for sure as of now. With our luck, sometime some random dude is going to find "evidence" with the newest science toy that we didn't evolve from monkeys, but actually they devolved from us and we devolved from super powerful beings that could creat gaint robots and such we see on tv. There was just some big explosion or something and all the evidence of it was wiped off the Earth...no...I don't really believe that, I'm just trying to make a point while I'm really hyper. sweatdrop
(Really off topic, talking about Adam and Eve makes me think of Evangelion anymore. xd It is a really great show though! I really like the idea of Adam's first wife, it just makes the story so funny.)
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:06 pm
im in to evoulition....
i think its what i was brought up with...
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:26 pm
The incas had giant bobots! (robots)
its true....
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hehe
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:32 pm
stare yes lilith. If only succubi were the reason for wet dreams...yea sorry, just had to respond to the last post about Adam's second wife. XP I also like Evangelion but the true story behind it is just as wierd which is just as disturbing...not as visually disturbing as the anime, but you get the idea and why they made the anime ending like that...X_x
Anyway, back on evolution...I feel that a simple quote can explain a very enlightening view on how science and religion can go together. I hope you don't mind Sucellus.
Sucellus Hm...although I source the Church and School of Wicca in most of my beliefs, I won't dare say that anything I believe is necessarily capable of speaking for most of the community. Regardless, my belief is basically progressive reincarnation. That is, we were once the simplest of patterns of energy, but gradually grew more complex and reincarnated several times as other things. For example, we would have moved on from being a germ, to algae, to plantlife, to invertabrae, to quadrapedal animals, to sentient life, or at least in that general order. And, in that sense, once we have attained all the wisdom a human spirit can possibly comprehend, we will eventually move on to a more complex animal, somewhere in the universe. I've heard it said that some people believe that may be found in porpoises such as dolphins for their interestingly high intelligence, but no doubt beings beyond our planet are another possible step as well. Of course, there will be periods in between these reincarnations where one will be in a spiritual plane similar to being on another wavelength with the mundane realm, where the spirit will be able to pass through matter at will yet retain a very weak amount of influence on their surroundings (I believe the average weight of a spirit is about 56grams/2 ounces by the experimented theories of some), and be able to interact with other spirits. Above that, there is something similar to the Norse "Valhalla" in definition of heaven, but it ties in with your ancestral background so as to comply with the collective thought of the respecting ancient culture(s) of your particular background, though travel to places of other cultures is very possible as well. Please note that I have never consciously astral projected, so I have no experience to assure that way of believing the world to be. Sorry for any possible misinformation I may have brought about by that. ^^;;;;
I personally love this idea. What does anyone else think about the possiblity that life has just been an energy slowly recycling and reforming itself in the physical and spiritual aspect all the while gaining the most prescious thing in life (experience). The experience behind our past lives must be so great, no wonder why a species would come out of no where and suddenly dominate the world with freewill, self-awareness, and technology (the use of foriegn objects in mechanical ways to help achieve something). I think that it can be possible to proove something like this and like all things in life, it just needs some time.
One simularity I noticed is that in Quantum and Subatomic Physics, it is impossible to determine the action of a particle as it is unpredictable and chaotic. This is how I feel divination is impossible, but it is also a very specific similarity with life. People and all living things have something called Will which allows them to choose for themselves. This ability makes predicting someone absolutely impossible, just like the energy that our universe is made up of. If life, our souls, are made up from thousands of millenia upon millenia of reincarnated energy from the begining of the universe...than evolution wouldn't be a theory about the origin of Man, but the origin of life itself from the basics and the begining of the universe. Who knows, we may be more than just "made up of stardust" (as in our bodies, the carbon and other elements that supernovaed from our sun) but our very spirits could be the most complexed and original form of energy in the universe! (That would even support the conservation of energy.)
I hope I gain some approvals in this idea. It isn't rejecting an afterlife all together as it might as well be obeying the idea of another plane to reside in before being reborn but it does reject the idea of an eternal paradise or damnation.a
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:00 pm
I think that pondering not only our physical evolution but also our spiritual is something anyone interested in the topic should look into. Believing in the reincarnation of ones soul and maturing though the span of time sounds like a form of evolution to me. Who is to say that the human body has not change, our ideas have certainly evolved quite a bit. Everything evolves in some form, I do not believe that it is always physical, for many, many years; I do not think humans have change in appearance but in other ways. Over a long flow of time, I think we might notice a difference in our look, but then that would prove evolution of the physical kind, wouldn't it...
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:20 pm
It would proove SO MANY theories. I don't believe you understand the impact this could have on the science community alone! It won't just be enlightening and a revolutionary way of thinking, but it will bring so many theories of science in play and support a lot of them all the while solving questions like origin, freewill, birth, death, and rebirth.
I feel if everyone believed in this, we would have an amazing civilization and new way of thinking. Who else agrees this to be a substantial view?
Forgive me, those of you who believe that the world and religion should not be "disected" by science but don't think on it as heartless. From what I have read in this guild, it stands to reason that those who have named themselves Witches are those who have a curious mind. One that wishes to know the meaning and reason behind all. I hope I'm not alone in this thought.
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:58 pm
As a scientist, of course I support it. It's truth. Unfortunately, there are about a million misconceptions about the theory, and I see them almost every time there is a discussion on evolution anywhere on the forums. There's one in this forum that I caught even with a breif skim. We didn't evolve from apes. Our closest relatives are the chimps, and they do not lie along the same line. We didn't evolve from chimps either. We both evolved from a common ancestor.
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:20 pm
I'm a major science buff, I've been fascinated with the mystery of Dinosaurs and Mammalian evolution since I was 9 years old. I don't believe that any diety outright put all life on the planet, but I do believe that something created those first few molecules of the "Big Bang" and that something put those first primordial ooze ingredients in the water to be struck by lightening. I understand that "missing links" are rare, because those species were "weak" to their environment and probably didn't preserve well. We also have very little crust from the early Cretaceous and pre-Cretaceous, as the planet recycled that crust to make the present volcanoes and islands. sweatdrop
Science tells me that people invented their Gods, but the facts that so many people who were so far apart that lived at the same time had the same culture standards makes me double think that theory. eek That's why I'm so interested in studying religions and probably feel so drawn to Wicca, since it is a practice involving those ancient gods.
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:36 pm
Sure, I support the evolution theory...
As was said before, the soul "evolves" over time, and therefore it makes sense to me to relate that to the growth and developement of species over time...
if that all sounds like gibberish, forgive me, as it is about 95 F here,bloody humid, and all I've got is a rather weak fan... sweatdrop
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