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 Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 3:22 am
On this forum we can decide what exactly our message to the public should be.
This forum can be used for debate on key issues. Though if you feel an issue has already been discussed and decided on, post a link to the thread, state what it's about and the pages the discussion spans. Remember though, new members are joining all the time and just because a issue may have been decided upon earlier doesn't mean it's set in stone.
Short: Solutions listed are there only until a better idea is suggested
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Issues and Decisions
Religon and Government
Solution Abstract: We stand for religious tolerance.
Explanation: All laws will be made with a rational and levelheaded approach. Darkstar will make no attempt to influence or support any particular religious practice or organization. Beliefs and rituals will not be interfered with so long as they do not interfere with the basic human rights of life, peace, and opinion. No donations or contributions will be made to churches or religious groups by Darkstar, nor will we accept donations from said groups for anything other than the furthering of Darkstar's cause (including our commitment to religious freedom).
Opposition: Those who believe that government should include the views of their religion when deciding laws.
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Health Care
Solution Abstract: We stand for federally funded healthcare.
Explanation: The government will provide coverage for the peoples? medical expenses in the way health insurance companies do now. The only direct cost to a person receiving treatment would be the typical cover charge. Of course taxes would need to be raised to support this but after removing Medicare, Medicaid, and current health coverage costs (of which they?d be obsolete) we?d be looking at a much smaller number. Also in an attempt to reduce costs, we?d allow for the purchase of foreign drugs so long as they?re made by companies verified for procedure and safety (if this already isn?t allowed, your country may vary).
Opposition: Those who oppose taxes and companies afraid of the added competition that foreign drug companies would bring.
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Region Specific Issues
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NEVER HESITATE TO ASK ANY QUESTION OR MAKE ANY SUGGESTION.
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(not as nice and neat, but just to speed up cleaning a little bit...)
Education: after much *ahem* 'debate', we've arrived at no single conclusion other than a consensus that one of the best ways to better our educational system will be to find and hire more, better teachers.
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:13 pm
Just a few issues that seem to be popular among voters.
Military Policy : Do we favor a small military or a big military? Troop's salaries, WMDs, etc.
Foreign Affairs : How do we deal with other countries? Trade, War, and Diplomacy policies?
(I know this should eventually be unnecessary but we'll need an answer for now)
Religious Policy : Obviously we'll want a tolerance policy, but how can we be open minded while still appealing to all religions (and lack here of), regardless of conflicting beliefs?
Medical : Do we want plans like Medicare and Medicaid? Should we socialize medicine? How can we reduce costs to both people and the government?
Education : What can be done? Is there a way to provide private school quality at public school prices? Why aren't schools working right now?
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:21 pm
If I may speak on behalf of the Darkstar Party, I'd like to be the first to guess at the realistic goals and issues assumed by our guild. To help get this particular thread on the road I will include here a preamble which will, as in the United States Constitution, help those new to the Party to realistically understand our goals. I will not, however, include such lofty goals as those of Flip of Darkstar because I honestly believe that her goal for this guild as of now is by far too unrealistic for success.
Preamble: As we look upon the world about us we often see dire circumstances. We see corrupt governments, businesses, and people everywhere: questionable motives, questionable morals, and, indeed, questionable purposes. We see wars waged, people murdered, and seperation between people in all manners of ways: nationality, ethnicity, religion, sexual preferences, political parties, the list never ends. We as humans are a seperated people with a great lack of much needed unity. The DarkStar Party is a party of unification which seeks to break down the walls which so separates our society and makes impossible the achievements which could make the Human race a race of progression. We as Humans should be united; and under the DarkStar Party we will unite against the corrupt forces standing in the way of Human progression.
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 9:17 pm
Mr. Grunkalunka Religous Policy : Obviously we'll want a tolerance policy, but how can we be open minded while still appealing to all religions (and lack here of), regardless of conflicting beliefs? I think the DarkStar party should have an Agnostic stand on religion. Of course, individual beliefs may very, but I do believe that as a whole people seem to respond to someone that says they are Agnostic btter than they are to someone that says they are Atheistic. In deeply religious countries like America it becomes problematic for people to get by without saying they have a belief system, almost entirely because people in America seem to have a set belief that without a god you cannot possibly have morals, even if you are a good, naturally upstanding person, the common idiot... I mean... person, prefers that if someone believes in a diety they are somehow, better guided morally. I believe that with the tolerance policy it should only go so far. You are free to believe in your religion, you are free to practice that religion. But you should NOT be free to FORCE that religion onto any other person. If they request information, then by all means you should be allowed to provide said information. You can begin talking about it, and if they politely decline said information then you should stop immediatly and not press. I also think that the DarkStar party should hold governing issues in an Atheistic manner. Too many problems arise from creating laws based on one religion or another, or claiming it is wrong in the eyes of one god or another and you risk alienating the cattle.... I mean constituents.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:22 pm
This is a way to help the medical feilds with their expences
Not to treat the people that have uncurable problems just kill them so it wont spreed and the hopitals use less $ on treating them and electricty costs for all the lifesupport macheans. Then more can go to the medical development department.
The opposition would be every one the thinks that its inhumane.
Why is it that people think its humane to kill an animal that has a uncureable problem and not a human with the same problem? We're both living bengs that have an affect on the world and how it changes.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:15 pm
majeh168 This is a way to help the medical feilds with their expences Not to treat the people that have uncurable problems just kill them so it wont spreed and the hopitals use less $ on treating them and electricty costs for all the lifesupport macheans. Then more can go to the medical development department. The opposition would be every one the thinks that its inhumane. Why is it that people think its humane to kill an animal that has a uncureable problem and not a human with the same problem? We're both living bengs that have an affect on the world and how it changes.
Personally I think Euthanasia is a good idea, but it's definitely something the world as a whole isn't ready for yet.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:16 pm
majeh168 This is a way to help the medical feilds with their expences Not to treat the people that have uncurable problems just kill them so it wont spreed and the hopitals use less $ on treating them and electricty costs for all the lifesupport macheans. Then more can go to the medical development department. The opposition would be every one the thinks that its inhumane. Why is it that people think its humane to kill an animal that has a uncureable problem and not a human with the same problem? We're both living bengs that have an affect on the world and how it changes. well this is a dificult topic to discuss, i believe that we should just dispose of the incurable terminal cases if they can still add to society(and willing) how ever veggies, are a difrent subject, i think we should respectfully release them from the bonds of life
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:00 pm
regane majeh168 This is a way to help the medical feilds with their expences Not to treat the people that have uncurable problems just kill them so it wont spreed and the hopitals use less $ on treating them and electricty costs for all the lifesupport macheans. Then more can go to the medical development department. The opposition would be every one the thinks that its inhumane. Why is it that people think its humane to kill an animal that has a uncureable problem and not a human with the same problem? We're both living bengs that have an affect on the world and how it changes. well this is a dificult topic to discuss, i believe that we should just dispose of the incurable terminal cases if they can still add to society(and willing) how ever veggies, are a difrent subject, i think we should respectfully release them from the bonds of life *murmurs of agreement* I think it makes a bit of sense. If you have the ability to still contribute, why get rid of you? If not, I think a humane method of destruction is called for.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:38 pm
VezRoth regane majeh168 This is a way to help the medical feilds with their expences Not to treat the people that have uncurable problems just kill them so it wont spreed and the hopitals use less $ on treating them and electricty costs for all the lifesupport macheans. Then more can go to the medical development department. The opposition would be every one the thinks that its inhumane. Why is it that people think its humane to kill an animal that has a uncureable problem and not a human with the same problem? We're both living bengs that have an affect on the world and how it changes. well this is a dificult topic to discuss, i believe that we should just dispose of the incurable terminal cases if they can still add to society(and willing) how ever veggies, are a difrent subject, i think we should respectfully release them from the bonds of life *murmurs of agreement* I think it makes a bit of sense. If you have the ability to still contribute, why get rid of you? If not, I think a humane method of destruction is called for. ya the ones that can still do stuff could live im talkin about the vegges that cant leave bed for the rest of their life
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:50 am
majeh168 Not to treat the people that have uncurable problems just kill them We deffinitely cannot do this if the person's friends of family request that they are kept alive. While it may help thing run smoother in certain areas to only value people for their possible contributions to society, people's emotional attachments to those that can no longer contribute need to be considered.
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:21 pm
black_plastic_love majeh168 Not to treat the people that have uncurable problems just kill them We deffinitely cannot do this if the person's friends of family request that they are kept alive. While it may help thing run smoother in certain areas to only value people for their possible contributions to society, people's emotional attachments to those that can no longer contribute need to be considered. *agrees* Remember kids, we're going for a benevolent society here. If we start "putting people down" to save a few bucks, then we're just as bad as the current governments. I would rather we put more emphasis on research for curing "incurable" diseases and making the chances of getting them less.
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:08 am
majeh168 This is a way to help the medical feilds with their expences Not to treat the people that have uncurable problems just kill them so it wont spreed and the hopitals use less $ on treating them and electricty costs for all the lifesupport macheans. Then more can go to the medical development department. The opposition would be every one the thinks that its inhumane. Why is it that people think its humane to kill an animal that has a uncureable problem and not a human with the same problem? We're both living bengs that have an affect on the world and how it changes. Yeah, I agree with you. When a person is incurable or otherwise (mentally/physically) disabled, kill them. Save space, save water, food, and other energies. The only hurdle will be getting around all the families that love these people.
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:31 am
SeanV majeh168 This is a way to help the medical feilds with their expences Not to treat the people that have uncurable problems just kill them so it wont spreed and the hopitals use less $ on treating them and electricty costs for all the lifesupport macheans. Then more can go to the medical development department. The opposition would be every one the thinks that its inhumane. Why is it that people think its humane to kill an animal that has a uncureable problem and not a human with the same problem? We're both living bengs that have an affect on the world and how it changes. Yeah, I agree with you. When a person is incurable or otherwise (mentally/physically) disabled, kill them. Save space, save water, food, and other energies. The only hurdle will be getting around all the families that love these people. You people... We can't just consider efficiency, here. That little hurdle is something that can bring down EVERYTHING! We can't even consider killing off those we don't like, because that's contrary to everything our society currently values. The most we can do is legalize assisted suicide. How can you be so dense? If we institute a policy to kill off invalids, the next day we'll be out of power.
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:24 am
TriskDaemon SeanV majeh168 This is a way to help the medical feilds with their expences Not to treat the people that have uncurable problems just kill them so it wont spreed and the hopitals use less $ on treating them and electricty costs for all the lifesupport macheans. Then more can go to the medical development department. The opposition would be every one the thinks that its inhumane. Why is it that people think its humane to kill an animal that has a uncureable problem and not a human with the same problem? We're both living bengs that have an affect on the world and how it changes. Yeah, I agree with you. When a person is incurable or otherwise (mentally/physically) disabled, kill them. Save space, save water, food, and other energies. The only hurdle will be getting around all the families that love these people. You people... We can't just consider efficiency, here. That little hurdle is something that can bring down EVERYTHING! We can't even consider killing off those we don't like, because that's contrary to everything our society currently values. The most we can do is legalize assisted suicide. How can you be so dense? If we institute a policy to kill off invalids, the next day we'll be out of power. nicly put. altough i do think we should (with aproval of the familie) release the "veggies"
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:08 pm
If you're all so concerned about these people and their waste of our resources then set down a limited child policy like China has. We will not kill off invalids because they aren't "useful," there are plenty of people who'd kill off the eagles and whales simply because they aren't useful. I say we stay away from the whole idea of killing invalids. For those of you who are concerned about our resources I propose that we institute an efficiency plan in which we better utilize our resources rather than taking away from those who use them. Support recycling programs and all that jazz. Granted, the recycling industry only recycles 2% of what they are given, but that is only because they do not receive sufficient funding (recycling is expensive). There are some things which we should not recycle such as paper due to environmental issues, though.
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