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 Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:55 pm
So what do you think of the October 2007 monthly collectibles, in particular the cross of the Vampire Hunter MC? I was kind of startled when I first saw it and now I just don't know what to think, especially when it's associated with some of the other Vampire Hunter options like the pentagram. I'm leaning toward just staying away from this one altogether, but maybe the cross is a good thing. I don't know.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:06 pm
I don't know what to think of it either. I guess it could be a good thing. It kinda depends on how you use it.
I love to see crosses available for those who want to have one to remind them of Jesus, but at the same time, selling crosses (both on Gaia and in real life) does lead to the possibility of secularizing the cross. It's kind of a double edged sword.
I'm actually working on getting the gothic veil right now. Only 3000 gold away! (so if anyone wanted to donate . . . )
EDIT: I got it! Yay!
Now I can start saving up for a grunny. They're so cute!
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:31 pm
A lot of the vampire-hunter stuff can be referenced from Japanese animations about vampires.
Forgive the Japanese- they think the whole myth about vampires and demons with relationship to the Catholic church is interesting and the projects they do are almost sacrilegious and might be considered offensive.
Also forgive me if I come off offensive, but I'm a bit liberal with these kind of things and I'm just not going to take it too seriously. The crosses we wear as Christians shouldn't be in the jewelry or in the pixels, but in the Word the Holy Spirit inscribes in our hearts.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:48 pm
I was...
Just sort of surprised and disapointed with Gaia for doing that. Really surprised. I don't know what to think.
I hope, I just hope that somethings don't happen...
And please let there be no Jesus roleplay. gonk
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:53 pm
Hmm... I am going to have to decline on that one. It just seems kinda.... off... to me. confused
On a happy note, I introduced some friends to our guild and they submitted a request to join our happy family. 3nodding One isn't fully in the Church yet, he's in RCIA. Hopefully the guild owner(s) will let him join anyway. He wants to make some more friends. Well, I'm off to bed. Hope you all have a good night!
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:54 pm
the cross is, in legend, a way to kill a Vampire... have any of you read Hellsing
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:26 pm
sephiroth030 the cross is, in legend, a way to kill a Vampire... have any of you read Hellsing Doesn't make it much better, if at all.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:33 pm
-kola-nut- The crosses we wear as Christians shouldn't be in the jewelry or in the pixels, but in the Word the Holy Spirit inscribes in our hearts. Exactly. I remember once that the priest at my church incorporated that into one of his serman things (Sorry, I forget what they're called sweatdrop ). But yeah, people shouldn't just wear crosses to get tattoos of them because they "look cool". They often don't even act very Christian or don't believe at all. I've expecially noticed it around the "goth" and "gangsta" cliques. I think that when people secularize it, they ruin it for the people who take it seriously. People see the crosses and they just all get lumped together as fashion item. It drives me nuts. Anyway, I really have a bad feeling about the item. I think it may secularize the cross moresore, expecially since there is a large percentage of atheists/agnostics on Gaia. I'm expecially offended that another option of it is that satanic symbol. I think that it was just in bad taste for the Gaian staff to have made any item with a religious association. EDIT: Just had an thought. I think that the use of the satanic symbol could also be being used secularly. In the same way as the cross, it's demeaning the value of an evil symbol. I actually find the satanic sign more offensive.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:15 pm
Maybe we could all write a letter to the Gaia officials saying that we find it offensive? Probably wouldn't do any good tho. Meh. I'm going off to bed.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:36 pm
I, who am typically very liberal and what not, was extremely offended by the item. ESPEICALLY because one of the options of a satanic symbol. I am very irriated with Gaia. I am offended equally as much by the satanic symbol because it's almost like they are /supporting/ them by putting such an item on Gaia.
Actually, as childish as this sounds, I'm slightly frightened by it. xD
Actaully, after looking at it, it looks more like a Pegan symbol, I believe. I'm not sure, but that isn't good, but it's abit better, it isn't giving praise to satan. But whatever, I'm no authority over that stuff so don't take my word.
Eh, that's just my two cents, I'm not even sure it makes sence. xD
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:59 pm
[Lacrimosa] I, who am typically very liberal and what not, was extremely offended by the item. ESPEICALLY because one of the options of a satanic symbol. I am very irriated with Gaia. I am offended equally as much by the satanic symbol because it's almost like they are /supporting/ them by putting such an item on Gaia. Actually, as childish as this sounds, I'm slightly frightened by it. xD Actaully, after looking at it, it looks more like a Pegan symbol, I believe. I'm not sure, but that isn't good, but it's abit better, it isn't giving praise to satan. But whatever, I'm no authority over that stuff so don't take my word. Eh, that's just my two cents, I'm not even sure it makes sence. xD It's definatly a santacic symbol. And I agree with you saying it's like they're supporting it. Regardless, I think that they should not include any item with religious connection. I was thinking last night to make a petition. If I do, would you all sign?
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:43 pm
Yeah, religion it smething you don't do on any kind of site unless it's religion based. You get alot of contraversy.
I would defiently sign it! Count Me In!
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:35 pm
Crosses were often used in ancient times to kill criminals. It was an ancient form of the death penalty. Christ though altered the way crosses were seen because He was divine and through His suffering upon that cross, we are redeemed.
However, the cross was not used as a symbol for several centuries. They used the fish symbol instead. It wasn't until the fourth century that the cross began to be associated with Christianity, but it took crucifixion being abolished and the religion accepted by the Emperor of Rome in order for this to alter the image crosses had at the time.
Catholics refer to it as the crucifix, but this is different than a normal cross. The crucifix has Christ's body on it.
In the medieval ages, crosses were seen as protection against evil spirits. In fact, crosses were seen as something that will keep the evil spirits away no matter what. Though we all know that it requires more than a piece of wood to keep evil spirits away.
Here is a very interesting article: Crosses
Definitely take a look, for it shows some examples of other types of crosses.
Crosses aren't just used in the Christian religion. They are also used in several other religions, and depending upon the designs on the cross or where it is used, it also has several different meanings.
However, it is used across the boundaries of culture as a way to fight against evil. So I would say that Gaia is fine with using the cross to fight vampires.
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:58 am
(I think I'm wearing one...)
I don't think wearing the vampire hunter cross on our avi's would be wrong if there is no irreverence meant.
Religion is in human nature and thus, part of human culture as well. And since the Cross is the greatest weapon against evil, it is commonly portrayed in literature and stories as a weapon against vampires (which represent and are evil).
Of course, as Christians, we must hold a high degree of respect for the very symbol of our faith.
If you wear it in your avi as an expression of your faith; good. smile
If you put it in your avi to look like those cool vampire hunters in literature and stories; well, it's alright. neutral
If you wear it in your avi to show irreverence or for some other twisted, satanic purpose; very bad... stare
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:24 am
Grand Master Jarvis (I think I'm wearing one...) I don't think wearing the vampire hunter cross on our avi's would be wrong if there is no irreverence meant. Religion is in human nature and thus, part of human culture as well. And since the Cross is the greatest weapon against evil, it is commonly portrayed in literature and stories as a weapon against vampires (which represent and are evil). Of course, as Christians, we must hold a high degree of respect for the very symbol of our faith. If you wear it in your avi as an expression of your faith; good. smile If you put it in your avi to look like those cool vampire hunters in literature and stories; well, it's alright. neutral If you wear it in your avi to show irreverence or for some other twisted, satanic purpose; very bad... stare The problem with this way of thinking is that it isn't just about the intent/understanding of the wearer. It's also the perception/understanding of the observer; they can't see the intent of the wearer. If they don't understand that it's being worn as a statement of Christian faith and instead assume something else, it's a stumbling block to them. The real problem I have with this item is that one of the other wearable options is an obviously satanic symbol, the pentagram. By having the cross linked so closely with the pentagram implies equality and co-equal morality, and that just isn't the case. I think Gaia has done Christianity a grave dis-service and I'm growing even more opposed to us utilizing this item.
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