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AriaStarSong

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:01 pm


There seem to be quite a few of us in here who teach riding lessons. I though it would be fun for us to have a place where we could exchange lesson plans/ideas, help solve each others problems, offer advice and support, and give each other fresh perspectives on different issues that our students may be having. It can also be helpful to get advice from people who may not teach, but take lessons and may be able to explain a way that worked for them.

Offer a little introduction when posting, just so that people know what kind of background you're coming from and what kind of students your teaching.

(Let me know if this is in the wrong place DE)
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:12 pm


I think most of you know me fairly well by now, but I'm Aria and I ride mostly dressage. I used to event and ride western, but dressage is my true love. I'm in an instructors training program for Therapeutic Horsemanship at St. Andrews Presbyterian College and I teach three TH lessons a week, one to a group of 3 elementary school aged boys with Learning Disabilities and ADHD, One to two middle school kids (girl and boy) with mild learning disabilities and ADHD, and one to a 5 year old boy with Epilepsy and a developmental delay. The program that I teach in is based around the American Forward System of Riding, which I'm not the biggest fan of, but it makes sense for our program. We basically use hunter principles, though most of them never get to the point of cantering, let alone jumping. My middle schoolers can post the trot, but they're the most advanced group I work with.

So here's my problem. One of my boys in my Monday lesson (the three elementary aged boys) can't get into two-point. I've done task analysis, I've had him watch the other boys, I've tried giving him a neck strap to pull up on, I've had his volunteers hold his legs to stabilize them and make it easier for him to push up out of the saddle. His upper body looks great. Shoulders back, back straight, eyes up, but his butt is still in the saddle. Right now, we're just doing two-point over poles at the walk, but I was hoping to progress to two-point at the trot in the next few lessons, and the other boys can do it. Anyone have any ideas of how to get him up off his horse's back? This is getting really frusterating because I really have no idea what to do.

A note: All lessons are conducted with volunteers for each rider. There is someone leading each horse, and one or two "sidewalkers" walking beside the rider to assist them in different things. Lower functioning riders have the sidewalkers hold them on the horse, and I'll sometimes have them hold the rider's ankle to help stabilize their leg.

AriaStarSong


Darkeenya
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:59 pm


(Sounds like an excellent idea to me. Mind if I Sticky this?)
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:15 pm


Go ahead!

AriaStarSong


chick_with_a_chainsaw

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:24 pm


well i teach the babies so to speak (ages 4-10 mostly) most of whom are learning to trot. my main issue is a teach a bunch of riders that are learning to canter but one of them is quite a large girl, ones a lanky 13 year old (hes over 172cms), a whip happy little one (i dont aloow him to use a crop) and another more nervous rider.

so now with a couple of questions

1) how can i help the large girl with her balance (shes ok most of the time) she also has a tendency to constantly tighten her legs around her horses sides. the horse she rides is a 15.2hh standardbred

2) lanky boy is ok on his umm 15.2hh tb but he has trouble contrlling his long limbs any ideas

the other 2 are ok
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:57 pm


The problem with 1's leg is probably directly related to her balance issues. A lot of riders, when they start to get off balance, will cling with their legs to try to stabilize themselves. I have a few other questions to ask you before I give you exercises/advice smile
Are you teaching them in a group or as privates?
Does she get generall tense? Or does she just grip with her legs?
Are her legs just tightening? Or is she gripping with her knees/heels?
What is her horse's reaction to her tightening her legs when she get off balance?
What style of riding are you teaching? More importantly, do you have them in two-point a good portion of the time/at all?

I can give you a few basic things to try right now though. For one thing, warm up with balance exercises everyday. Walk with one or both arms out to the side, above the head, reaching forward, behind her back, etc. Stretches also help. Having the rider stretch while they're in the saddle moves them around, which helps them learn how to balance and use their body while on the horse. Things like reaching forward for the ears or back for the tail not only increase flexibility and tone, but help the rider to better understand how their body functions in conjunction with the horse's gait. If you can do so safely, it is better to have her stretch/balance with both arms at once, but if that can't be accomplished in your lesson environment, one at a time works. Things like arm circles, trunk twists, etc. Help to orient the rider in the saddle. If the rider is doing something incorrect to correct their balance, correct it. For example, if they reach forward for their horse's ears and their leg slips back in an attempt to balance them, remind them to keep their leg forward. While working on these exercises emphasize the importance of keeping a soft leg, reminding her often to keep her leg hanging long and relaxed.

As for number two, well, incredibly lanky 13 year olds generally don't have much control over their limbs in general. Most of the time the reason that they're so lanky is because they had a sudden growth spurt and havne't quite figured out where all of their limbs end yet. My brother did that around that same age. He went from being about eye level with my chin to being able to comfortably rest his chin on top of my head within a year. Work on strengthening exercises to increase tone and awareness of where his limbs are. If he has a problem with his legs swinging, you can also try tying his stirrups to the girth. That's a common technique with the instructors at my school, you just have to do it correctly, because if you lash them too tight, it makes the rider's leg bendin strange ways, but if you do it too loose, then it completely defeats the purpose of the exercise. This can help to get them to feel what a steady leg is supposed to feel like. You can also try to focus on angles. He may not know where the ends of his arms are, but he can tell if his elbows are really bent. Double-posting can help him gain more control over his upper body and learn how to balance it in space. Actually, double posting could be helpful with your girl with balance issues for the same reason.

AriaStarSong


chick_with_a_chainsaw

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:50 am


thanks for the advice.

i teach basic english thats the best way to describe it. i teach them to walk trot and canter lil jumps. so basically they wont become top english riders but they can ride most horses. they are taught in groups once a week.

she grips with her leg and heal. taught them today just so you know. her normal mount is fine with her gripping most of the time somethimes he just gets a bit fast. today due to her normal mount having a break at my families block for the week she had to ride the lanky boys horse who hates the leg contact and kept leaping into a canter but she managed to stay on thank fully. shes around 155cm maybe a little bit taller bout probably weighs 80kg actually probably more ( im trying to compare her to me who is 172cm and 55kg). they are in the 2 point sometimes but not today cause we worked on balance and working together and practicing control (did that by mini drill ride done at walk and little trot.)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:46 pm


I'm teaching pre-jumping lessons to a 15 year old girl, and I'm having a lot of trouble getting her to post correctly. I don't know how to explain what it should look like. I mean, I say, "every time the horse's outside leg goes forward, rise your butt up out of the saddle and push on your heels." I think she gets the concept, but when she posts, it looks messy and her toes go down instead of her heels. Anybody know how to correct that?

Also, tips on explaining how to sit the canter? She cantered for the first time this week, and ended up clinging onto the horse's neck for dear life. I've been telling her to "move with the horse, really think about your butt being plastered to the saddle." She also just has general trouble keeping those heels down. Sometimes they'll go down, but not far enough. I've demonstrated for her, pushed them down for her at a walk to get the feeling, and explained over and over again, but she just isn't doing it and it's really effecting her riding position.

Thanks!

Fizzeh_pwns


Fred-the-Cloud

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:38 pm


Fizzeh_pwns

Also, tips on explaining how to sit the canter? She cantered for the first time this week, and ended up clinging onto the horse's neck for dear life. I've been telling her to "move with the horse, really think about your butt being plastered to the saddle." She also just has general trouble keeping those heels down. Sometimes they'll go down, but not far enough. I've demonstrated for her, pushed them down for her at a walk to get the feeling, and explained over and over again, but she just isn't doing it and it's really effecting her riding position.

Thanks!


I don't teach, but I do ride. Mostly Western, but heels down and sitting a canter/lope are the same in both.

For heels down: tell her to relax her ankles. When the muscles in your ankles relax, your heels just GO straight down, well when the ball of your foot's in the stirrup. Foot too far through they don't go down much. Foot not being far enough in (toes vs. ball of foot) your foot pops out.

Sitting a canter: Tell her to roll her hips forward and back as the horse moves. It looks obscene when you do it standing on the ground, but the trainer I worked with for a brief period of time told me to roll my hips as my horse moved and my bum only comes out of the saddle when my poneh crossfires (he's got the world's bounciest crossfire)

Hope that will help! And hopefully I explained them well enough to actually make sense o.O
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:35 pm


Almost a year after the question was asked, but I come in here so infrequently anymore... I figure I can still post a fun idea to help with the heels-down problem for anyone else who might encounter it.

Cut rings out of cardboard, big enough to fit easily over the toe of a boot with plenty of room to spare. The plastic diving rings that you use as pool toys work excellently as well. Balance the rings on the riders' toes. If they keep their heels down, the rings stay on. If their heels come up, their toes go down, and the ring falls off. Some riders need a more concrete input for a concept like that. It's like balancing something on top of your head to remind you to sit up straight.

As for sitting the canter, it's all about relaxing the lower back. Think of the lower back like a bowl of jello. Be butter melting over your horse. Images like that usually work pretty well.

AriaStarSong

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