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 Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:04 pm
lily564a That sounds good, and leads me to another point. We have four species actively entwined into our little world, Humans, Cetan, Korat, and Teroa. First off we should work up a sticky describing them enough that new people aren't limited to human or creating their own race like Dilagence, he did a good job but we can't let that happen to much or we'll have five dozen vaguely described races consisting of one person each. Secondly we should decide on where they all come from, it's a minor point but my mind got snagged on it. By what we have it seems that the Korat and the Cetan both come from the soon-to-be-named jungle continent, and humans are newcomers probably originating in the archipelagos. I use new in a relative way, they've probably been there for a thousand or so years but the other two were there since the beginning of their civilizations. They are both ancient civilizations but the jungle continent is an almost eden like world, or at least it was, so they were in no hurry to build cities, invent technologies, or generally work towards a world as we know it. The Korat and Cetan represented very opposed lifestyles in that kind of world. I see the Korat as being very country folk, only a few real cities but mostly small closely knit tribe like groups. They are a good deal religious, or maybe just very spiritual, ether way they have a lot of faith through which they got very close to nature. The Cetan are highly social and nearly all of them lived in a few major cities, they do have religion and spirituality but in a more pure form, valuing the soul and mind above possessions, even if they do have appreciation for them. Before any major Human population moved over the two races had a highly symbiotic relationship and an especially peaceful one at that. When the Humans came over the Cetan were very much against them joining the equation but they were up against a weather hardened empire of greed; to add to the calamity they had just gotten themselves into that empire was the predecessor of Ace Sia's Sun Empire and ruled with the same Ace (there seems to be a trend here) and thats what caused the war. The Teroa I'm not so sure about, Dila can pick that if he wants. Eventually I'd like to have some race based out of the desert continent and five is probably the limit of reason, I can't think of a good theme for a desert race, one that would let them still be in the rest of the world with out being irrational. They could be related to the crater so they don't have to fit in with the rest of the world's nature but they should be something people can play and not be limited to pets. Lots of good ideas there, lily...I'm thinking we should create a sticky about races, and have Diligence post his stuff about the Teroa there (or we could just copypasta the thread he already made) and you and I could pretty much write the rest, I think, as Rellik has pretty much fallen off the face of the earth. We'll want to put it in this forum until it's finished, though so new members aren't confused. I think a post for each species (with a reserved for the desert...er...people) should do it. We probably don't want to go TOO indepth on each species, but a general desciption and a summary of their society and maybe even basic history, like where they live and why they're there and whatnot... As a side note, I think the Cretan should be from somewhere other than the Jungle...I don't imagine they'd get along with the Korat very well (although that would certainly make for some interesting friction...). I'll see if I can come up with a Desert species...and do we want one in the Polar areas?? Weren't the Cretan originally from there?
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:57 pm
It is nice that you hashed out at least some very diffrent races.
Are there any sub races that could pass for either but be neither one?
These races always make good lead ins to societal infiltration and espionage.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:41 pm
the Cetan (no r) were forced to the polar continent when they lost the great war, originally it only had some animals and a few monsters.
-( In the original treaty that ended the war the Cetan were banished to the frozen norths forever, but this treaty was with an empire built on war, in the following peace time it all but crumbled. Though it still stands the authority it once held all but worthless, and so to is treaty they won. Because of their pride many of the Cetan, even most of the Cetan stay exiled, the few that have rejoined the world haven't made much of a footprint for their race so there are no plans for the great Cetan kingdom to return to it's homeland. (that we know about at least.) )-
The Korat seem to me like they'd probably prefer warm/temperate climates, so they probably live more in the south, where the Cetan would go for the mountainous terrain in the north, they wouldn't be right on top of each other but they did interact; and since there's plenty of space and resources for both it seems likely to me that they would be peaceful.
With the expection of the Teroa who we know came from dragons and the desert peeps who we don't know anything about all the species could easily be different branches of the same race's evolution, split up by geographic stuff, just a bunch of long lost cousins, but after that much time apart it's highly doubtful they can interbreed successfully, half breeds at best would be rare and unstable, likely to be weak against disease, mentally unbalanced, or just plain deformed. There would be groups in these races, thats just a fact we can't ignore, but no two Cetan parents will give birth to something that looks Korat just as no human parents will give birth to a child with wings.
(If the Cetan and Korat end up both coming from the jungle continent then they'd have grown up right next to each other and would stand the best chance to have a half breed child, humans and the desert peeps were all alone in vastly different environments.)
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:25 pm
Not to bring too much science into a fantasy setting, but I'd think that Cetans and the Korats are so different, their genes wouldn't be compatable. Just like you don't see deer and foxes mating in the wild, I don't see how they could interbreed. There would be too many variables and the offspring, if there were any, would be as you said--sickly and likely deformed. It doesn't make sense. I think we've got enough variety as it is, personally.
((We had a huge discussion about interbreeding in College Biology, in case you're wondering.))
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:38 pm
For the Desert people, I have a few suggestions, after racking by brain repeatedly with a large iron rake.
I looked through lists of creatures found in a typical desert, and came up with a few animals that we could base our new species off of. One choice, of course, are K-rats. Now, I know it sounds terrible, but hear me out. K-rats have this amazing trait in that they DO NOT DRINK WATER. How cool is that?? There's this whole process for how they make and conserve their own water...it's really interesting. Turns out, if they drink water that's not salty, they actually die... (If you're really curious, I'll go further into it...we also studied it in Biology (my fav. course), and I kept all my notes cause it was so neat)
So what I was thinking, is that our new species could be similar to the K-rats, in that their systems do not require water or large amounts of food. They'd be vaguely human, but evolved differently because of the climate. I'm imaging them with longer fingers (perhaps even a 6th digit for manuverability) and thicker, dark skin. Their eyes are kind of alien, and exceedingly large. Their ears are pointed, like an elf's, except placed more like a cat's ears. They'd have to be a bit smaller than humans, and I'm imagining them as longer, if you know what I mean. If we want to, we could give them tails, but that's up to you guys....
If you like this, I have some ideas for a society as well, but I don't wanna throw everything at you all at once. Suffice it to say they would be mainly nocturnal because of the climate.
And if none of that piques your interest, then we could always just pick an animal and do something simliar to the Korat, except with a different base animal.
Any thoughts??
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:55 pm
Alright time to brainstorm the Teroa since they seem to leave a big empty space in our world. The Teroa dont originate from any one location, but rather thrive on large open spaces, where they can fly and maintain privacy successfully. Teroa also have a trait for adapting the "colors" of the environment around them to help further their own privacy. Only 1 large Teroan city should be established, and be the central meeting place for the Teroan species. I think it should be an Atlantian type place, secluded out in the ocean and only accessible through flight.
Just an idea and too..... Tell me what you think. I'm not one to get hurt from constructive criticism.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:30 pm
yea, interbreeding isn't gonna happen, for now anyways, I was just saying out of everything they were the only ones that really have a chance of making a live baby. Though most likely given their paths they might not even be physically compatible, genital wise...
the K-rat sounds interesting, judging by the name they're vaguely rat-like, right?; I like everything about them so far, the aversion to water would help explain why they don't leave the desert, as does their appearance.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:25 am
Marael For the Desert people, I have a few suggestions, after racking by brain repeatedly with a large iron rake. I looked through lists of creatures found in a typical desert, and came up with a few animals that we could base our new species off of. One choice, of course, are K-rats. Now, I know it sounds terrible, but hear me out. K-rats have this amazing trait in that they DO NOT DRINK WATER. How cool is that?? There's this whole process for how they make and conserve their own water...it's really interesting. Turns out, if they drink water that's not salty, they actually die... (If you're really curious, I'll go further into it...we also studied it in Biology (my fav. course), and I kept all my notes cause it was so neat) So what I was thinking, is that our new species could be similar to the K-rats, in that their systems do not require water or large amounts of food. They'd be vaguely human, but evolved differently because of the climate. I'm imaging them with longer fingers (perhaps even a 6th digit for manuverability) and thicker, dark skin. Their eyes are kind of alien, and exceedingly large. Their ears are pointed, like an elf's, except placed more like a cat's ears. They'd have to be a bit smaller than humans, and I'm imagining them as longer, if you know what I mean. If we want to, we could give them tails, but that's up to you guys.... If you like this, I have some ideas for a society as well, but I don't wanna throw everything at you all at once. Suffice it to say they would be mainly nocturnal because of the climate. And if none of that piques your interest, then we could always just pick an animal and do something simliar to the Korat, except with a different base animal. Any thoughts?? To compensate for there low nutritional needs they are going to need conserve. If you increase there size a low diet will not due. Some suggestions: Increase there required amount of sleep. Allow them a way to obtain energy through permeable skin. Due this and I think they would be very effective warriors. With out the increased amount of muscle tissue would cause a far to great of a demand on there bodies. keeping them small would mean far less problems. It's up to you really. Your are right about the water deal. To exist on such a low level of water there immune system has to be very very delicate. They would be extremely susceptible to any diuretic, acid or base.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:27 pm
Gorenza Marael For the Desert people, I have a few suggestions, after racking by brain repeatedly with a large iron rake. I looked through lists of creatures found in a typical desert, and came up with a few animals that we could base our new species off of. One choice, of course, are K-rats. Now, I know it sounds terrible, but hear me out. K-rats have this amazing trait in that they DO NOT DRINK WATER. How cool is that?? There's this whole process for how they make and conserve their own water...it's really interesting. Turns out, if they drink water that's not salty, they actually die... (If you're really curious, I'll go further into it...we also studied it in Biology (my fav. course), and I kept all my notes cause it was so neat) So what I was thinking, is that our new species could be similar to the K-rats, in that their systems do not require water or large amounts of food. They'd be vaguely human, but evolved differently because of the climate. I'm imaging them with longer fingers (perhaps even a 6th digit for manuverability) and thicker, dark skin. Their eyes are kind of alien, and exceedingly large. Their ears are pointed, like an elf's, except placed more like a cat's ears. They'd have to be a bit smaller than humans, and I'm imagining them as longer, if you know what I mean. If we want to, we could give them tails, but that's up to you guys.... If you like this, I have some ideas for a society as well, but I don't wanna throw everything at you all at once. Suffice it to say they would be mainly nocturnal because of the climate. And if none of that piques your interest, then we could always just pick an animal and do something simliar to the Korat, except with a different base animal. Any thoughts?? To compensate for there low nutritional needs they are going to need something to compensate. If you increase there size a low diet will not due. Some suggestions: Increase there required amount of sleep. Allow them a way to obtain energy through permeable skin. Due this and I think they would be very effective warriors. With out the increased amount of muscle tissue would cause a far to great of a demand on there bodies. keeping them small would mean far less problems. It's up to you really. Your are right about the water deal. To exist on such a low level of water there immune system has to be very very delicate. They would be extremely susceptible to any diuretic, acid or base. Well, you see, the K-rats I mentioned are very conserative of their water and their nutrients. Their excrement is very compact and dry because of it. They are nocturnal and do sleep quite a lot. They are actually only active during select portions of the morning and evening, when it's not really hot or cold. They also absorb quite a bit of their water through their skin, as you mentioned. However, their immune systems are not really that delicate, as they have only slightly less water than we do. The difference is that they conserve water more than humans do. Their urine is ultra-concentrated and other wastes dry, and they conserve water by sleeping during the hot parts of the day and only moving at night. So they drink less water, but don't really have that much less water than you and I. They're just more thrifty with it! K-rats can drink saltwater, though. Just though I'd mention it. I'm not sure if they'd be suceptable to acids and bases... And as for more stress on their muscles, I'm not sure that would be true. Actually I'd think they'd have stronger muscles, because of the way their systems work. I agree there'd be more demand on their bodies, but that would probably be mainly because of their way of life. Living in the desert has got to be taxing. For our purposes, we'll probably want them to be nocturnal by nature, and we can take the basic structure of the K-rats to place them all over the Desert continent, because they'd be able to survive easily. I'm thinking small hunter-gatherer groups, probably living underground because of temperature control and duststorms. I'm imaging them as very militaristic, but that's just me...
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:32 pm
DiLaGeNcE Alright time to brainstorm the Teroa since they seem to leave a big empty space in our world. The Teroa dont originate from any one location, but rather thrive on large open spaces, where they can fly and maintain privacy successfully. Teroa also have a trait for adapting the "colors" of the environment around them to help further their own privacy. Only 1 large Teroan city should be established, and be the central meeting place for the Teroan species. I think it should be an Atlantian type place, secluded out in the ocean and only accessible through flight.
Just an idea and too..... Tell me what you think. I'm not one to get hurt from constructive criticism. I'm liking the idea of them in an Atlantean citadel kinda place... Actually, we could go with the thought that they originated underwater, like sea dragons or something, and from there evolved and took to land. That would make for an interesting history, and would actually explain their wings farily well. They could be originally for swimming and then from there took to the skies. (I'm probably getting too scientific, aren't I? Sorry, one-track mind...) Do you have a specific culture in mind?? Like government systems and whatnot??
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:06 pm
Marael Gorenza Marael For the Desert people, I have a few suggestions, after racking by brain repeatedly with a large iron rake. I looked through lists of creatures found in a typical desert, and came up with a few animals that we could base our new species off of. One choice, of course, are K-rats. Now, I know it sounds terrible, but hear me out. K-rats have this amazing trait in that they DO NOT DRINK WATER. How cool is that?? There's this whole process for how they make and conserve their own water...it's really interesting. Turns out, if they drink water that's not salty, they actually die... (If you're really curious, I'll go further into it...we also studied it in Biology (my fav. course), and I kept all my notes cause it was so neat) So what I was thinking, is that our new species could be similar to the K-rats, in that their systems do not require water or large amounts of food. They'd be vaguely human, but evolved differently because of the climate. I'm imaging them with longer fingers (perhaps even a 6th digit for manuverability) and thicker, dark skin. Their eyes are kind of alien, and exceedingly large. Their ears are pointed, like an elf's, except placed more like a cat's ears. They'd have to be a bit smaller than humans, and I'm imagining them as longer, if you know what I mean. If we want to, we could give them tails, but that's up to you guys.... If you like this, I have some ideas for a society as well, but I don't wanna throw everything at you all at once. Suffice it to say they would be mainly nocturnal because of the climate. And if none of that piques your interest, then we could always just pick an animal and do something simliar to the Korat, except with a different base animal. Any thoughts?? To compensate for there low nutritional needs they are going to need something to compensate. If you increase there size a low diet will not due. Some suggestions: Increase there required amount of sleep. Allow them a way to obtain energy through permeable skin. Due this and I think they would be very effective warriors. With out the increased amount of muscle tissue would cause a far to great of a demand on there bodies. keeping them small would mean far less problems. It's up to you really. Your are right about the water deal. To exist on such a low level of water there immune system has to be very very delicate. They would be extremely susceptible to any diuretic, acid or base. Well, you see, the K-rats I mentioned are very conservative of their water and their nutrients. Their excrement is very compact and dry because of it. They are nocturnal and do sleep quite a lot. They are actually only active during select portions of the morning and evening, when it's not really hot or cold. They also absorb quite a bit of their water through their skin, as you mentioned. However, their immune systems are not really that delicate, as they have only slightly less water than we do. The difference is that they conserve water more than humans do. Their urine is ultra-concentrated and other wastes dry, and they conserve water by sleeping during the hot parts of the day and only moving at night. So they drink less water, but don't really have that much less water than you and I. They're just more thrifty with it! K-rats can drink saltwater, though. Just though I'd mention it. I'm not sure if they'd be suceptable to acids and bases... And as for more stress on their muscles, I'm not sure that would be true. Actually I'd think they'd have stronger muscles, because of the way their systems work. I agree there'd be more demand on their bodies, but that would probably be mainly because of their way of life. Living in the desert has got to be taxing. For our purposes, we'll probably want them to be nocturnal by nature, and we can take the basic structure of the K-rats to place them all over the Desert continent, because they'd be able to survive easily. I'm thinking small hunter-gatherer groups, probably living underground because of temperature control and duststorms. I'm imaging them as very militaristic, but that's just me... So if there kidney can metabolizes water than an increase in diet will be need to allow then to be larger beings. For there lungs and surface area will be larger. The lung size will need to increase to help with the creation o f Atp. The larger the creature the more muscles cells there are to require ATP. The greater the surface area the more susceptible they are to heat and water loss in expiration. (Thought it was interesting to learn about there oily coats that allow some protection from heat and water expiration). Regardless this is a magical world and science need not hold much clout. The thought only allowed some differences in behavior that from that of a kangaroo rat. Like the fact that oxygen levels would be much lower underground. Larger lungs produce larger amounts of co2. Suffocation might be an issue. An interesting way to solve such a problem would be tools for breathing or a much larger subterranean system (like the subterranean houses Australia).
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:48 pm
Gorenza Marael Gorenza Marael For the Desert people, I have a few suggestions, after racking by brain repeatedly with a large iron rake. I looked through lists of creatures found in a typical desert, and came up with a few animals that we could base our new species off of. One choice, of course, are K-rats. Now, I know it sounds terrible, but hear me out. K-rats have this amazing trait in that they DO NOT DRINK WATER. How cool is that?? There's this whole process for how they make and conserve their own water...it's really interesting. Turns out, if they drink water that's not salty, they actually die... (If you're really curious, I'll go further into it...we also studied it in Biology (my fav. course), and I kept all my notes cause it was so neat) So what I was thinking, is that our new species could be similar to the K-rats, in that their systems do not require water or large amounts of food. They'd be vaguely human, but evolved differently because of the climate. I'm imaging them with longer fingers (perhaps even a 6th digit for manuverability) and thicker, dark skin. Their eyes are kind of alien, and exceedingly large. Their ears are pointed, like an elf's, except placed more like a cat's ears. They'd have to be a bit smaller than humans, and I'm imagining them as longer, if you know what I mean. If we want to, we could give them tails, but that's up to you guys.... If you like this, I have some ideas for a society as well, but I don't wanna throw everything at you all at once. Suffice it to say they would be mainly nocturnal because of the climate. And if none of that piques your interest, then we could always just pick an animal and do something simliar to the Korat, except with a different base animal. Any thoughts?? To compensate for there low nutritional needs they are going to need something to compensate. If you increase there size a low diet will not due. Some suggestions: Increase there required amount of sleep. Allow them a way to obtain energy through permeable skin. Due this and I think they would be very effective warriors. With out the increased amount of muscle tissue would cause a far to great of a demand on there bodies. keeping them small would mean far less problems. It's up to you really. Your are right about the water deal. To exist on such a low level of water there immune system has to be very very delicate. They would be extremely susceptible to any diuretic, acid or base. Well, you see, the K-rats I mentioned are very conservative of their water and their nutrients. Their excrement is very compact and dry because of it. They are nocturnal and do sleep quite a lot. They are actually only active during select portions of the morning and evening, when it's not really hot or cold. They also absorb quite a bit of their water through their skin, as you mentioned. However, their immune systems are not really that delicate, as they have only slightly less water than we do. The difference is that they conserve water more than humans do. Their urine is ultra-concentrated and other wastes dry, and they conserve water by sleeping during the hot parts of the day and only moving at night. So they drink less water, but don't really have that much less water than you and I. They're just more thrifty with it! K-rats can drink saltwater, though. Just though I'd mention it. I'm not sure if they'd be suceptable to acids and bases... And as for more stress on their muscles, I'm not sure that would be true. Actually I'd think they'd have stronger muscles, because of the way their systems work. I agree there'd be more demand on their bodies, but that would probably be mainly because of their way of life. Living in the desert has got to be taxing. For our purposes, we'll probably want them to be nocturnal by nature, and we can take the basic structure of the K-rats to place them all over the Desert continent, because they'd be able to survive easily. I'm thinking small hunter-gatherer groups, probably living underground because of temperature control and duststorms. I'm imaging them as very militaristic, but that's just me... So if there kidney can metabolizes water than an increase in diet will be need to allow then to be larger beings. For there lungs and surface area will be larger. The lung size will need to increase to help with the creation o f Atp. The larger the creature the more muscles cells there are to require ATP. The greater the surface area the more susceptible they are to heat and water loss in expiration. (Thought it was interesting to learn about there oily coats that allow some protection from heat and water expiration). Regardless this is a magical world and science need not hold much clout. The thought only allowed some differences in behavior that from that of a kangaroo rat. Like the fact that oxygen levels would be much lower underground. Larger lungs produce larger amounts of co2. Suffocation might be an issue. An interesting way to solve such a problem would be tools for breathing or a much larger subterranean system (like the subterranean houses Australia). Well, actually their kindneys don't metabolize anything...they purify the blood. They wouldn't have any problem with decreased ATP, really...they're still getting vitamins and whatnot. And they wouldn't be living deep enough to have to worry about lowered oxygen. I'm thinking having smaller bodies would be beneficial in the long run because it's easier to keep cool. But you're right...Science isn't really important.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:38 pm
I hope I was not bothering you.
I thought it was a very interesting concept really.
Some where I must of got messed up about there function.
Looks like there loop of Henley is much larger than many other animals (in proportion) Looks as though this adaptation allows for better water reabsorption. I understand that there is a connection with the creation of ATP and water. I guess since the kidney was so specialized I assumed it had a part in it.
Big gulps huh, well c-yah later.
In other words if you bored with the conversation we can move on if you would like.
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:47 am
Gorenza I hope I was not bothering you. I thought it was a very interesting concept really. Some where I must of got messed up about there function. Looks like there loop of Henley is much larger than many other animals (in proportion) Looks as though this adaptation allows for better water reabsorption. I understand that there is a connection with the creation of ATP and water. I guess since the kidney was so specialized I assumed it had a part in it. Big gulps huh, well c-yah later. In other words if you bored with the conversation we can move on if you would like. Oh, no I don't mind!! I was merely agreeing with what you said earlier. Kangaroo rats are absolutely awesome, aren't they?!?!?! I'm thinking our creatures should have fur, to trap in moisture and keep them warm at night. And tails rock, so I'm voting tails. Any thoughts for a name??
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:51 pm
Humm. Well I am pretty off the wall when it comes to names.
I can try.
It is a band of people that live in the desert.
So they are nomatic correct.
That seems to be the best way to survive in a barren area.
There are three types of people that come to mind when I think nomadic.
First some words that come to mind before deciding a name.
Bushmen, San, Basarwa, Aboriginal, indigenous, shamans, trackers, people of the sand.
Physical features to keep in mind.
Dark eyes, long tail with a tuft. Strong legs.
Habits
kicks sand at enemies, digs tunnels and survives where no other would dare.
Just want to keep these things in mind when thinking of the name.
Most dialicts I could think of that might help us fit a good name are those of Spanish, Australian and African tribes. Depending on the sounds that you like in a name might help you pick one. I just don't think an Japaneses sounding name or title would be very appropriate.
Arana : moon
Bitzer: mongrel dog
Brumby: wild horse
Bunyip: mythical Australian creature
Corroboree: Aboriginal dance festival
Drongo: a dope
Dux: top of the class
Galah: noisy, rude person
Jarrah: eucalyptus tree
Kiah: from the beautiful place
Larrikin: a person that is a harmless prankster
Nong: idiot
Ocker: unsophisticated person
Sooky: Cry-baby
Taila: near water
Yobbo: redneck
African/nigerian
Zahra : flowering
Omari: Gods the highest
Ajani: He fights for possession
Abayomi: bringer of happiness
Adanya: her fathers daughter
Taj: Exalted
Abebe: asked for
Amadi: fated to die at birth
Xhosa: sweet
Akanni: profitable encounter
Ami: Saturdays child
Neema: born in prosperity
Here are some choices.
The meaning isn't that important but the sound of the name is.
Do any of these names and or words give you an idea?
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