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Beth Turner
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:35 pm


Mere Christianity has supposed to have been a mile marker, as well as many other books C. S. wrote- has anyone here read anything from him other than Chronicles? I'd love to hear about them, I havn't read any of them yet...
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:10 pm


Read "Mere Christianity" and loved it. I suggest any C.S. Lewis book to everyone. I would also suggest Pope John Paul II book "Theology of The Body." It is quite hefty reading. But this is (in my opinion) the definitive answer to sexuality. He bases everything on the relationship of Adam&Eve and goes from there showing that love is more then what we think. Revealing the divine plan behind marriage and so on.

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The 'Theology of the Body' is Pope John Paul II's integrated vision of the human person - body, soul, and spirit. As he explains, the physical human body has a specific meaning and is capable of revealing answers regarding fundamental questions about us and our lives:

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Is there a real purpose to life and if so, what is it?
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Why were we created male and female? Does it really matter if we are one sex or another?
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Why were man and woman called to communion from the beginning? What does the marital union of a man and woman say to us about God and his plan for our lives?
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What is the purpose of the married and celibate vocations?
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What exactly is "Love"?
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Is it truly possible to be pure of heart?

fagon


Beth Turner
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:03 pm


Ok, I'll definately put C.S. Lewis on my reading list. I also thought the other book posed some interesting questions and I'd like to know the answers of of a Pope. Have you read the whole book fagon? Could you describe C.S. Lewis's points and Pope John Paul II's points in his book too? I know that's a lot, but that'd be cool since I probably won't have time to read both any time soon... my dad might have some C. S. Lewis though...
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:55 pm


Beth Turner
Ok, I'll definately put C.S. Lewis on my reading list. I also thought the other book posed some interesting questions and I'd like to know the answers of of a Pope. Have you read the whole book fagon? Could you describe C.S. Lewis's points and Pope John Paul II's points in his book too? I know that's a lot, but that'd be cool since I probably won't have time to read both any time soon... my dad might have some C. S. Lewis though...
Oh man, you have no idea how prolific of a writer Pope John Paul II was eek xd I've barely begun to get through the prologue. That's how long it is! 663 pages sweatdrop Here is a good site that digests it better then I could at the stage I am in my own reading sweatdrop A good quote from said site
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According to John Paul II, God created the body as a “sign” of his own divine mystery. This is why he speaks of the body as a “theology,” a study of God.

We can’t see God. As pure Spirit, he’s invisible. Yet Christianity is the religion of God’s self-disclosure. In Christ, “God has revealed his innermost secret: God himself is an eternal exchange of love, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and he has destined us to share in that exchange” (CCC, n. 221). Somehow the human body makes this eternal mystery of love visible.

How? Specifically through the beauty of sexual difference and our call to union. God designed the union of the sexes as a “created version” of his own “eternal exchange of love.” And right from the beginning, the union of man and woman foreshadows our eternal destiny of union with Christ. As St. Paul says, the “one flesh” union is “a great mystery, and I mean in reference to Christ and the church” (Eph 5:31-32).

The Bible uses spousal love more than any other image to help us understand God’s eternal plan for humanity. God’s wants to “marry” us (see Hos 2:19) to live with us in an “eternal exchange of love.” And he wanted this great “marital plan” to be so plain to us, so obvious to us that he impressed an image of it in our very being by creating us male and female and calling us to communion in “one flesh.”

Thus, in a dramatic development of Catholic thought, John Paul concludes that we image God not only as individuals, “but also through the communion ...which man and woman form right from the beginning.” And, the Pope adds, “On all of this, right from ‘the beginning,’ there descended the blessing of fertility” (Nov 14, 1979). The original vocation to be “fruitful and multiply” (Gen 1:28 ), then, is nothing but a call live in the image in which we’re made to love as God loves.

Of course, this doesn’t mean God is “sexual.” We use spousal love only as an analogy to help us understand something of the divine mystery (see CCC, n. 370). God’s “mystery remains transcendent in regard to this analogy as in regard to any other analogy” (Sep. 29, 1982). At the same time, however, the Pope says that there “is no other human reality which corresponds more, humanly speaking, to that divine mystery” (Dec. 30, 198 cool .


As for C.S. Lewis's "Mere Christianity." His original intent was simply to “explain and defend the belief that has been common to nearly all Christians at all times.” Mere Christianity’s vast appeal lies in its rejection of the boundaries that divide the church’s many denominations. Its uncompromising focus throughout is the centrality of Jesus Christ—his life, death, resurrection and the sending of the Holy Spirit.

He makes a clear distinction between the essentials and non­essentials of historic Christian orthodoxy, re-focuses believers who have unwittingly drifted to the left or right and provides a powerful witness to those outside the faith. His book is a beautiful expression of the old Christian guiding principle, “In essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty, and in all things love.”

Lewis, a converted atheist, establishes our common ground as believers in our faith in Jesus Christ. He pulls no punches when he speaks about the Author and Finisher of our salvation: “I am trying to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about him: ‘I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God.’... A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic … or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was and is the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse.”

This was a revelation to me. He was right on the mark in saying that Jesus was either God or a madman. You just can't say that He was just a good man with nice ideas. Jesus claimed to be God! If someone today where to teach good ideas and/or morals, but at the same time claim to be God, would people forget about that or say that he was nuts? This is a very important fact. Because you can't hold that He was just a prophet, as Islam claims, when His own claims were that of being that of being The One True Almighty God!

fagon


Beth Turner
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:50 am


Very true. And it sounds like our guild is a parallel to some of the ideas in this book, which are good.
I can totally see the analogy of sexuality and marriage from the Pope too- the PROLOGUE is THAT LONG!
Oh my! blaugh
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:11 pm


Beth Turner
Very true. And it sounds like our guild is a parallel to some of the ideas in this book, which are good.
I can totally see the analogy of sexuality and marriage from the Pope too- the PROLOGUE is THAT LONG!
Oh my! blaugh
oh no the Prologue isn't 663 pages sweatdrop mybad. I should have phrased that batter. The whole book is 663 pages. But the prologue it self is quite prolific, I have to read it a couple of times to really get the full sense. It's a real joy.

I just found a good video review of the book here.

fagon


Beth Turner
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:46 pm


fagon
Beth Turner
Very true. And it sounds like our guild is a parallel to some of the ideas in this book, which are good.
I can totally see the analogy of sexuality and marriage from the Pope too- the PROLOGUE is THAT LONG!
Oh my! blaugh
oh no the Prologue isn't 663 pages sweatdrop mybad. I should have phrased that batter. The whole book is 663 pages. But the prologue it self is quite prolific, I have to read it a couple of times to really get the full sense. It's a real joy.

I just found a good video review of the book here.

Wow- very informative. I think I'd get the "Made Simple" version though, ha ha... sweatdrop
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:23 am


C S Lewis' writings are excellent, I think. I've got The Great Divorce, the Pilgrim's Regress and the Screwtape Letters. The best thing, I think, is that he is a theologically aware writer who writes in normal English and makes things easy to understand.

The only thing of his I didn't like was the Trilemma you mentioned - which I don't think "works". There are other options than Lord, liar or demon. That said it is an interesting idea.

Christophilos


Beth Turner
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:19 pm


Christophilos
C S Lewis' writings are excellent, I think. I've got The Great Divorce, the Pilgrim's Regress and the Screwtape Letters. The best thing, I think, is that he is a theologically aware writer who writes in normal English and makes things easy to understand.

The only thing of his I didn't like was the Trilemma you mentioned - which I don't think "works". There are other options than Lord, liar or demon. That said it is an interesting idea.

Which are the other options? I've only ever heard of those three in discussion, but I always thought they were too simple...
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:45 pm


Hey Beth,
The other options are that Jesus was a good man who was mistaken about his identity, that the teachings of Jesus were good, but altered by later writers to include the messiah-ship/Godhood. There are probably others but that is what springs to mind.

Christophilos


Beth Turner
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:16 am


Christophilos
Hey Beth,
The other options are that Jesus was a good man who was mistaken about his identity, that the teachings of Jesus were good, but altered by later writers to include the messiah-ship/Godhood. There are probably others but that is what springs to mind.

Hmm... interesting deceptions. I'll have to ask some of my friends what they think about these...
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