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Daxelman
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:49 pm


Radio Jas
"Fanboy" games are mostly what define the PS3 and the 360, and personally, I hardly find them entertaining at all.
It's not about realistic graphics, although attractive (not NECESSARILY realistic-take The Legend Of Zelda:The Winder Waker for example) graphics do play an important part in making a game "good". I mean, it really pisses me off how so many people are like, "the Wii has bad graphics" and then they dismiss it just like that. Also, it doesn't make you not a "real gamer" because non-gamers can jump in on the action with games like Wii Sports and Wario Ware. It's not just a party console, and just because it doesn't cost as much doesn't make it at all "cheap", because it has SO much to offer. I play the Wii all the time by myself, and there are plenty of games that are "hardcore" enough. Just not as many damn "fanboy" games.

Nintendo IS the king of gaming.

I mean, look. It had the highest rated game ever for so many years, and it just beat its own record with an even better game. Sony and Microsoft couldn't manage a game good enough.

GO NINTENDO





Well, according to the Metacrtic, SMG is the best thing evar now.

Now, I'd love to see someone in this guild give an absolute s**t.

I'll give you a dollar....no wait, 2 dollars.....




~Daxelman~

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:30 pm


I'm telling you all, professional reviewers are a bunch of asswipes. You know how variable reviews for Radiant Dawn were? There were people going, like, 6, saying that the graphics weren't realistic enough for a fantasy universe. Then there's the people that just shrug and say it's exactly like Path of Radiance. Finally, there's people exploding with excitement from the huge amount of challenge, length, and replay value. Screw professional reviewers. It'll be good when I say it's good........ which could take awhile.

BTW, I want to do a review on Radiant Dawn, but I haven't completed easy mode yet.....
I've decided that I'm not going to use a scale out of ten. It's just..... impossible to have a completely unbiased numeric score for that game.

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The Death Blues Mix

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:45 am


This is a fact, Mario, Halo, and Zelda tend to get the slide in comparison to other games. Hell Half-Life is a way better series than Halo and it was rated lower.

Technically a majority of things done in Galaxy are simply adding on to the gravity play and mini-worlds of previous Ratchet and Clank games with harder platforming elements instead of action shooting level up the weapons elements.

Anyone that has played the cube world in RaCF: TOD along with some of the PS2 games will know what I'm talking about.

However off games that don't have the nostalgia or major fan fare that generally are better games versus mainstream tend to have reviewers in a higher state of critical nit picking.

Okami is better than any Zelda game. Fact. It improves upon the Ocarina of Time gameplay, improves upon the Windwaker visuals, had a great story, and a richer world. The only thing Zelda does better is the active battles versus transition into instance battles.

Technically Okami should have beaten Ocarina of Time as highest rated since it did everything OoT did except better.

Also, funny thing about Radio Jas post. Isn't it hypocritical for he/she to call PS3/360 games fanboy games when he/she is fanboying Nintendo?

In any case, I got Uncharted early. Getting a 360 with Mass Effect. Just picked up Crysis as well.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:37 am


The Death Blues Mix
This is a fact, Mario, Halo, and Zelda tend to get the slide in comparison to other games. Hell Half-Life is a way better series than Halo and it was rated lower.

Technically a majority of things done in Galaxy are simply adding on to the gravity play and mini-worlds of previous Ratchet and Clank games with harder platforming elements instead of action shooting level up the weapons elements.

Anyone that has played the cube world in RaCF: TOD along with some of the PS2 games will know what I'm talking about.

However off games that don't have the nostalgia or major fan fare that generally are better games versus mainstream tend to have reviewers in a higher state of critical nit picking.

Okami is better than any Zelda game. Fact. It improves upon the Ocarina of Time gameplay, improves upon the Windwaker visuals, had a great story, and a richer world. The only thing Zelda does better is the active battles versus transition into instance battles.

Technically Okami should have beaten Ocarina of Time as highest rated since it did everything OoT did except better.

Also, funny thing about Radio Jas post. Isn't it hypocritical for he/she to call PS3/360 games fanboy games when he/she is fanboying Nintendo?

In any case, I got Uncharted early. Getting a 360 with Mass Effect. Just picked up Crysis as well.


not fact. Opinion.

Saying how all those games are better than the Nintendo counterpart is fine but it is an opinion as much as you want it to be fact.

I only agree with this line from that quote:

Quote:
Also, funny thing about Radio Jas post. Isn't it hypocritical for he/she to call PS3/360 games fanboy games when he/she is fanboying Nintendo?
I agree with that.

I do want to play Okami. I was reading about it a while ago and hoped it was coming to Wii (though Wii was yet to be released when it came out.) I found out there is a port coming to the Wii. I'm hoping it will a good port. According to what I've been reading it will be and they aren't putting it together half-assed like some other ports for the sake of porting it. This is getting special care and they are working to make this a good port. I'll get it when it comes out and I'll let you know what I think of it. I've been watching this for a while now.


I got Super Mario Galaxy yesterday as an early Christmas gift and it is awesome! Great gameplay, visuals, etc. It's so much more than I thought it would be. This easily beats Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Sunshine. Excellent game.

HistoryWak
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Daxelman
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:37 am


The Death Blues Mix
This is a fact, Mario, Halo, and Zelda tend to get the slide in comparison to other games. Hell Half-Life is a way better series than Halo and it was rated lower.

Technically a majority of things done in Galaxy are simply adding on to the gravity play and mini-worlds of previous Ratchet and Clank games with harder platforming elements instead of action shooting level up the weapons elements.

Anyone that has played the cube world in RaCF: TOD along with some of the PS2 games will know what I'm talking about.

However off games that don't have the nostalgia or major fan fare that generally are better games versus mainstream tend to have reviewers in a higher state of critical nit picking.

Okami is better than any Zelda game. Fact. It improves upon the Ocarina of Time gameplay, improves upon the Windwaker visuals, had a great story, and a richer world. The only thing Zelda does better is the active battles versus transition into instance battles.

Technically Okami should have beaten Ocarina of Time as highest rated since it did everything OoT did except better.

Also, funny thing about Radio Jas post. Isn't it hypocritical for he/she to call PS3/360 games fanboy games when he/she is fanboying Nintendo?

In any case, I got Uncharted early. Getting a 360 with Mass Effect. Just picked up Crysis as well.






I've got at least 2 million people who would love to kick your a** right now, and that's fact.





~Daxelman~

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:35 am


Daxelman
The Death Blues Mix
This is a fact, Mario, Halo, and Zelda tend to get the slide in comparison to other games. Hell Half-Life is a way better series than Halo and it was rated lower.

Technically a majority of things done in Galaxy are simply adding on to the gravity play and mini-worlds of previous Ratchet and Clank games with harder platforming elements instead of action shooting level up the weapons elements.

Anyone that has played the cube world in RaCF: TOD along with some of the PS2 games will know what I'm talking about.

However off games that don't have the nostalgia or major fan fare that generally are better games versus mainstream tend to have reviewers in a higher state of critical nit picking.

Okami is better than any Zelda game. Fact. It improves upon the Ocarina of Time gameplay, improves upon the Windwaker visuals, had a great story, and a richer world. The only thing Zelda does better is the active battles versus transition into instance battles.

Technically Okami should have beaten Ocarina of Time as highest rated since it did everything OoT did except better.

Also, funny thing about Radio Jas post. Isn't it hypocritical for he/she to call PS3/360 games fanboy games when he/she is fanboying Nintendo?

In any case, I got Uncharted early. Getting a 360 with Mass Effect. Just picked up Crysis as well.






I've got at least 2 million people who would love to kick your a** right now, and that's fact.





~Daxelman~



That's new news? lol

Are you one of them? I sensed anger when you said "and that's fact."

HistoryWak
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Daxelman
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:04 pm


HistoryWak
Daxelman
The Death Blues Mix
This is a fact, Mario, Halo, and Zelda tend to get the slide in comparison to other games. Hell Half-Life is a way better series than Halo and it was rated lower.

Technically a majority of things done in Galaxy are simply adding on to the gravity play and mini-worlds of previous Ratchet and Clank games with harder platforming elements instead of action shooting level up the weapons elements.

Anyone that has played the cube world in RaCF: TOD along with some of the PS2 games will know what I'm talking about.

However off games that don't have the nostalgia or major fan fare that generally are better games versus mainstream tend to have reviewers in a higher state of critical nit picking.

Okami is better than any Zelda game. Fact. It improves upon the Ocarina of Time gameplay, improves upon the Windwaker visuals, had a great story, and a richer world. The only thing Zelda does better is the active battles versus transition into instance battles.

Technically Okami should have beaten Ocarina of Time as highest rated since it did everything OoT did except better.

Also, funny thing about Radio Jas post. Isn't it hypocritical for he/she to call PS3/360 games fanboy games when he/she is fanboying Nintendo?

In any case, I got Uncharted early. Getting a 360 with Mass Effect. Just picked up Crysis as well.






I've got at least 2 million people who would love to kick your a** right now, and that's fact.





~Daxelman~



That's new news? lol

Are you one of them? I sensed anger when you said "and that's fact."
~Daxelman~

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:12 pm


Daxelman
HistoryWak
Daxelman
The Death Blues Mix
This is a fact, Mario, Halo, and Zelda tend to get the slide in comparison to other games. Hell Half-Life is a way better series than Halo and it was rated lower.

Technically a majority of things done in Galaxy are simply adding on to the gravity play and mini-worlds of previous Ratchet and Clank games with harder platforming elements instead of action shooting level up the weapons elements.

Anyone that has played the cube world in RaCF: TOD along with some of the PS2 games will know what I'm talking about.

However off games that don't have the nostalgia or major fan fare that generally are better games versus mainstream tend to have reviewers in a higher state of critical nit picking.

Okami is better than any Zelda game. Fact. It improves upon the Ocarina of Time gameplay, improves upon the Windwaker visuals, had a great story, and a richer world. The only thing Zelda does better is the active battles versus transition into instance battles.

Technically Okami should have beaten Ocarina of Time as highest rated since it did everything OoT did except better.

Also, funny thing about Radio Jas post. Isn't it hypocritical for he/she to call PS3/360 games fanboy games when he/she is fanboying Nintendo?

In any case, I got Uncharted early. Getting a 360 with Mass Effect. Just picked up Crysis as well.






I've got at least 2 million people who would love to kick your a** right now, and that's fact.





~Daxelman~



That's new news? lol

Are you one of them? I sensed anger when you said "and that's fact."
~Daxelman~



You never played the awesomeness that is OoT? (Although I like MM and Wind Waker better personally. )

HistoryWak
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Heir Kaiba
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O.G. Gaian

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:20 pm


The Death Blues Mix
This is a fact, Mario, Halo, and Zelda tend to get the slide in comparison to other games. Hell Half-Life is a way better series than Halo and it was rated lower.

Technically a majority of things done in Galaxy are simply adding on to the gravity play and mini-worlds of previous Ratchet and Clank games with harder platforming elements instead of action shooting level up the weapons elements.

Anyone that has played the cube world in RaCF: TOD along with some of the PS2 games will know what I'm talking about.

However off games that don't have the nostalgia or major fan fare that generally are better games versus mainstream tend to have reviewers in a higher state of critical nit picking.

Okami is better than any Zelda game. Fact. It improves upon the Ocarina of Time gameplay, improves upon the Windwaker visuals, had a great story, and a richer world. The only thing Zelda does better is the active battles versus transition into instance battles.

Technically Okami should have beaten Ocarina of Time as highest rated since it did everything OoT did except better.

Also, funny thing about Radio Jas post. Isn't it hypocritical for he/she to call PS3/360 games fanboy games when he/she is fanboying Nintendo?

In any case, I got Uncharted early. Getting a 360 with Mass Effect. Just picked up Crysis as well.

Ummm..That's not fact..

Here is a fact. If OoT never came out then there would be no Okami. Okami is better, but OoT was like the stepping-stone for games like Okami and Rachet and Clank.

Although Jet Force Gemni seems more like Rachet and Clank..than OoT does.

So it's a fact that games like OoT paved way games like Okami.

Isn't hypocritical to call someone a fanboy when you yourself acting liking one because someone stated that Nintendo is better?

In other words just let it go.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:26 pm


HistoryWak
Daxelman
HistoryWak
Daxelman
The Death Blues Mix
This is a fact, Mario, Halo, and Zelda tend to get the slide in comparison to other games. Hell Half-Life is a way better series than Halo and it was rated lower.

Technically a majority of things done in Galaxy are simply adding on to the gravity play and mini-worlds of previous Ratchet and Clank games with harder platforming elements instead of action shooting level up the weapons elements.

Anyone that has played the cube world in RaCF: TOD along with some of the PS2 games will know what I'm talking about.

However off games that don't have the nostalgia or major fan fare that generally are better games versus mainstream tend to have reviewers in a higher state of critical nit picking.

Okami is better than any Zelda game. Fact. It improves upon the Ocarina of Time gameplay, improves upon the Windwaker visuals, had a great story, and a richer world. The only thing Zelda does better is the active battles versus transition into instance battles.

Technically Okami should have beaten Ocarina of Time as highest rated since it did everything OoT did except better.

Also, funny thing about Radio Jas post. Isn't it hypocritical for he/she to call PS3/360 games fanboy games when he/she is fanboying Nintendo?

In any case, I got Uncharted early. Getting a 360 with Mass Effect. Just picked up Crysis as well.






I've got at least 2 million people who would love to kick your a** right now, and that's fact.





~Daxelman~



That's new news? lol

Are you one of them? I sensed anger when you said "and that's fact."
~Daxelman~



You never played the awesomeness that is OoT? (Although I like MM and Wind Waker better personally. )






The only Console Zelda I've played is Wind Waker, which was also my second Zelda game.
Mah first was Minsh Cap.




~Daxelman~


Daxelman
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The Death Blues Mix

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:37 pm


[Xera]
Ummm..That's not fact..

Here is a fact. If OoT never came out then there would be no Okami. Okami is better, but OoT was like the stepping-stone for games like Okami and Rachet and Clank.

Although Jet Force Gemni seems more like Rachet and Clank..than OoT does.

So it's a fact that games like OoT paved way games like Okami.

Isn't hypocritical to call someone a fanboy when you yourself acting liking one because someone stated that Nintendo is better?

In other words just let it go.
I'm saying, something that comes before set the bar. However, with the way reviews are written, anything that improves upon what the original did should get rated higher.

Here's a fact, with out Citizen Kane there are many many movies that would have never been made. Does that mean nothing as good as Kane or even, perhaps, better was made?

Final Fantasy 7 brought the series into the main stage light. Does that mean that there really is no better FF than 7?

Something that paves the way does just that, it paves the road. However even roads need to be repaired and improved over time.

My over reaction though is more in line with the broken review system. Halo, Zelda, Mario, amongst other popular games get the slide. Sometimes they're even praised for doing things that other games get knocked up for like sticking to formula. For example. Why should a game be docked points for a weak/mediocre story when Mario games have essentially had the same illusion of a story, Mario RPGs being the exception, since Donkey Kong doesn't have to worry about story at all?

I'm just annoyed that this elite echelon of games, mostly through name sake alone, doesn't see the same nit picking that the rest of the world of games go through.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:44 pm


The Death Blues Mix
[Xera]
Ummm..That's not fact..

Here is a fact. If OoT never came out then there would be no Okami. Okami is better, but OoT was like the stepping-stone for games like Okami and Rachet and Clank.

Although Jet Force Gemni seems more like Rachet and Clank..than OoT does.

So it's a fact that games like OoT paved way games like Okami.

Isn't hypocritical to call someone a fanboy when you yourself acting liking one because someone stated that Nintendo is better?

In other words just let it go.
I'm saying, something that comes before set the bar. However, with the way reviews are written, anything that improves upon what the original did should get rated higher.

Here's a fact, with out Citizen Kane there are many many movies that would have never been made. Does that mean nothing as good as Kane or even, perhaps, better was made?

Final Fantasy 7 brought the series into the main stage light. Does that mean that there really is no better FF than 7?

Something that paves the way does just that, it paves the road. However even roads need to be repaired and improved over time.

My over reaction though is more in line with the broken review system. Halo, Zelda, Mario, amongst other popular games get the slide. Sometimes they're even praised for doing things that other games get knocked up for like sticking to formula. For example. Why should a game be docked points for a weak/mediocre story when Mario games have essentially had the same illusion of a story, Mario RPGs being the exception, since Donkey Kong doesn't have to worry about story at all?

I'm just annoyed that this elite echelon of games, mostly through name sake alone, doesn't see the same nit picking that the rest of the world of games go through.

The only thing I can say to that is..

Usually Original IPs are usually going to be rated harsh because many people think that concept might not work.

Unlike Mario, Zelda and Halo most reviewers already know the concept and the review is not a harsh because they are well known.

It's the way the business works. Sequels sometimes just tend to better and remakes as well.

Heir Kaiba
Crew

O.G. Gaian


The Death Blues Mix

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:13 pm


[Xera]
The Death Blues Mix
[Xera]
Ummm..That's not fact..

Here is a fact. If OoT never came out then there would be no Okami. Okami is better, but OoT was like the stepping-stone for games like Okami and Rachet and Clank.

Although Jet Force Gemni seems more like Rachet and Clank..than OoT does.

So it's a fact that games like OoT paved way games like Okami.

Isn't hypocritical to call someone a fanboy when you yourself acting liking one because someone stated that Nintendo is better?

In other words just let it go.
I'm saying, something that comes before set the bar. However, with the way reviews are written, anything that improves upon what the original did should get rated higher.

Here's a fact, with out Citizen Kane there are many many movies that would have never been made. Does that mean nothing as good as Kane or even, perhaps, better was made?

Final Fantasy 7 brought the series into the main stage light. Does that mean that there really is no better FF than 7?

Something that paves the way does just that, it paves the road. However even roads need to be repaired and improved over time.

My over reaction though is more in line with the broken review system. Halo, Zelda, Mario, amongst other popular games get the slide. Sometimes they're even praised for doing things that other games get knocked up for like sticking to formula. For example. Why should a game be docked points for a weak/mediocre story when Mario games have essentially had the same illusion of a story, Mario RPGs being the exception, since Donkey Kong doesn't have to worry about story at all?

I'm just annoyed that this elite echelon of games, mostly through name sake alone, doesn't see the same nit picking that the rest of the world of games go through.

The only thing I can say to that is..

Usually Original IPs are usually going to be rated harsh because many people think that concept might not work.

Unlike Mario, Zelda and Halo most reviewers already know the concept and the review is not a harsh because they are well known.

It's the way the business works. Sequels sometimes just tend to better and remakes as well.
It's not just original IPs that see it the critical reviews. The fact that the "popular" franchises don't see the same critical analysis means that the reviewers just don't do their jobs when something is popular.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:01 pm


The Death Blues Mix
[Xera]
The Death Blues Mix
[Xera]
Ummm..That's not fact..

Here is a fact. If OoT never came out then there would be no Okami. Okami is better, but OoT was like the stepping-stone for games like Okami and Rachet and Clank.

Although Jet Force Gemni seems more like Rachet and Clank..than OoT does.

So it's a fact that games like OoT paved way games like Okami.

Isn't hypocritical to call someone a fanboy when you yourself acting liking one because someone stated that Nintendo is better?

In other words just let it go.
I'm saying, something that comes before set the bar. However, with the way reviews are written, anything that improves upon what the original did should get rated higher.

Here's a fact, with out Citizen Kane there are many many movies that would have never been made. Does that mean nothing as good as Kane or even, perhaps, better was made?

Final Fantasy 7 brought the series into the main stage light. Does that mean that there really is no better FF than 7?

Something that paves the way does just that, it paves the road. However even roads need to be repaired and improved over time.

My over reaction though is more in line with the broken review system. Halo, Zelda, Mario, amongst other popular games get the slide. Sometimes they're even praised for doing things that other games get knocked up for like sticking to formula. For example. Why should a game be docked points for a weak/mediocre story when Mario games have essentially had the same illusion of a story, Mario RPGs being the exception, since Donkey Kong doesn't have to worry about story at all?

I'm just annoyed that this elite echelon of games, mostly through name sake alone, doesn't see the same nit picking that the rest of the world of games go through.

The only thing I can say to that is..

Usually Original IPs are usually going to be rated harsh because many people think that concept might not work.

Unlike Mario, Zelda and Halo most reviewers already know the concept and the review is not a harsh because they are well known.

It's the way the business works. Sequels sometimes just tend to better and remakes as well.
It's not just original IPs that see it the critical reviews. The fact that the "popular" franchises don't see the same critical analysis means that the reviewers just don't do their jobs when something is popular.


Will/Did the same thing happen with games such as Call of Duty 4, MGS4, and GTA4? Will/Did they get high ratings for name sake alone like you are saying? Are they part of this elite? You seem to be targeting mostly Nintendo games and Halo and I can't help but wonder if you think they don't deserve high ratings because of what they are and whether you like it or not. You mentioned FFVII. The games after that got good ratings.

Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time is a great game and deserves the rating it got IMO. Remember to look at the time it was rated. It was rated then on standards that are different than now. You can name all the things OoT don't have and how other games are better than it. I agree there are games better than it. Okami was released in 2006 and OoT was released in 1998. I hope in almost 10 years time there is a game that can improve on OoT. But look at the standards of today that Okami has to be up against. Sure it may be better than OoT (never played it so I don't know) but if you look at the standards for a 10/10 game then and compare it to standards for a 10/10 game now they might not equal the same.

It's not so much the game being "popular" but rather "established and respected." New games get rated more harshly because they have to earn the respect other games have already earned. It may not be right but you see that in real life as well. When you meet someone for the first time you are more critical of them then someone you already know. It's just the way it is. The new kid usually has more expectations to meet. I don't agree with it but that's the way it is. Games like Halo who is only on it's third game getting rating like it does is more likely to be getting it's high ratings due to popularity than Zelda that has over 10 games. Zelda is established and respected and Halo doing really well because of it's popularity. How shocked were you really with Halo 3's rating?

I was actually surprised when I heard SMG is now higher rated than OoT. Super Mario Sunshine initially was well received but it ended up getting mixed reviews so seeing it's successor breaking a record such as that is surprising to me. I honestly didn't think it would have done that.

HistoryWak
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Part-Time Viking

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:09 pm


Okay, why are we fighting about ratings?
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