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Slave Xaccheus

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:46 am


I can name one big difference:

Faith: something you believe is true

Knowledge: Something proven true by others and yourself, A.K.A something you know to be true.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:11 am


yea but knowledge is always changing, what you know to be true now, may not be true later. Example: Milk was always advertise to help make bones strong, but now they realize that it does not help milk, and is probably not so good for you. Knowledge seems just as shady as faith. Though i am not one to believe in faith myself.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:12 am


Knowledge is not necessarily objective- it's just something you're aware of, or have an understanding of.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:14 pm


This is something I've thought quite a bit about, and have been asked by a number of people (due to my graduate studies in theology and philosophy) to explain the similarity and differences.

In terms of religious faith, you can only believe what you know. This is expressed in the ancient maxim, "I believe because I understand, and I understand because I believe." At the most bottom, ground-floor level, I can only believe what I have knowledge of. So, I have faith in Christ as God because I understand all of the complications and nuances of Christology at a theoretical level. I understand these things, and thus am firm in my declaration that "Christ is God."

As for faith itself, it's certainly a kind of practical knowledge. Here's an example: say you have a dog, but you meet me at a bar and we're hanging out. I ask you where your dog is, and you say, "At my house." I say "Ahh, I see," and believe you.

A lot of things have just happened. In that instance you ruled against a lot of things. The dog didn't get out behind you. A friend didn't come and take the dog or a walk. The house didn't burn down. A burglar didn't come in and steal the dog. You rule all of these out because of their impracticality, and come to the reasonable conclusion that the dog is still at your house where you left it.

And yet, you can't confirm it. You can't tell me beyond a doubt, through direct empirical evidence, that the dog is still in the house. Even if you call home and ask your wife, you're taking her word on faith. But again, it'd be stupid to disagree: why would she lie about such a thing? And similarly, I have faith in your answer: why would you lie about such a thing to me? Do you have a history of lying to me about small things? I consider all of these things, and accept your answer based upon faith.

Thus, one rough definition of faith: faith is an assertion of that which is true based upon our knowledge, despite the fact that we cannot confirm its truth value through direct empirical evidence.

And this is precisely why there's no such thing as "blind faith," which is a term that makes me teeth ache. Nobody has faith based upon zero knowledge.

I could go on and on. If you have any more questions or can think of any issues, I'd appreciate it.


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Yojimbo_sureibu

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:27 pm


Well in a sense, you could be asking this question from different views. for example:

if you were to refer to faith in a religious point of view, you could give it aspects as in trust. to have trust in a god(s).

you can also say: "to believe in what you can not see, to trust that it will come to your desired outcome."

now, knowledge... When i think of knowledge i find it to be the literal knowledge like our math and english school stuff. that, and the definition: "how much you understand of___" and fill in the blank.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:38 pm


Knowledge is Justified True Belief, in that it is a belief, which is true, that you have justifiable reason to believe. Faith is just a belief.

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Zombie1429

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:44 pm


Sir Barnabus
And this is precisely why there's no such thing as "blind faith," which is a term that makes me teeth ache. Nobody has faith based upon zero knowledge.


This is what I was going to say. Its precisely why I don't like the definition of knowledge as 'something that is known to be proven as a truth' (or similar definitions to this effect).

Its interesting that by this standard we have very few, if any, truths at all in the world. Not everyone demands the same kind of proof and not everyone believes a proof that it considered to show a particular truth.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:17 pm


Knowledge.
What drives man to do things such as how the Earth has turned out today.
To strive for perfection.
To learn the unattainable amount of knowledge.
Knowledge is a goal forever set by mankind, never fully attained.
One man can never know everything, as the same for everyman.
The world will never know the full extent of knowledge and power attainable, because if we did, the power in our hands would drive men crazy and everything would somehow self-destruct.

Faith.
The hope that an event will take place.
The only thing that drives people to do great things, and nearing the impossible.
The reason medical surgeries with next to zero chance of pulling through sometimes are successful.
Faith is the reason people are still alive today, people hoped and prayed for a better world.
Our world, being as inhumane and ******** up as it is, could be a LOT worse.
Faith brought by people in risky situations brighten up the world.


[[WOW!!]]
I just totally made them look opposite.
Like..one is completely good, and the other is like..evil!
Hehehe..I don't even know how I did that.
You were looking for comparisons, and I gave you mine.
Dammnnn..when I was typing, I like..just went into one of those modes where nothing outside affects you and your just typing.
Neat-o.
I guess that's it..even though thats probably not the kind of thing you're looking for.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:46 pm


Faith is believeing but if you believe something is ture it can become knowledge to you.... confussed much.... sweatdrop
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:42 pm


faiths are what is thought, a small dim hope of another place, a greater place.

truth is what happened, what will happen and how it shall occur.

*edit*

Knowledge is power power corrupts

study hard be evil

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kiitana

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:57 pm


ninja heartless
I can name one big difference:

Faith: something you believe is true

Knowledge: Something proven true by others and yourself, A.K.A something you know to be true.
I have the same basic look, so yeah xd

The only other difference between them is that the laws of knowledge aren't absolute. In fact, there are no true "laws". While the supposed faith in most cases is or is meant to be unchanged and absolute.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:25 pm


I find that often knowledge accepts that it may be wrong, but faith doesn't. But then again many people have faith in their knowledge and knowledge to back their faith so neither are stand alone.

Xenrac

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Yojimbo_sureibu

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:18 pm


Disco_Bandit
Sir Barnabus
And this is precisely why there's no such thing as "blind faith," which is a term that makes me teeth ache. Nobody has faith based upon zero knowledge.


This is what I was going to say. Its precisely why I don't like the definition of knowledge as 'something that is known to be proven as a truth' (or similar definitions to this effect).

Its interesting that by this standard we have very few, if any, truths at all in the world. Not everyone demands the same kind of proof and not everyone believes a proof that it considered to show a particular truth.


Well, I get what you're saying, but I don't either agree or am thinking differently.

Blind faith really shouldn't be defined like that. It makes more sense that it is knowledge based on current thought. like an answer. Something Not comepletly supported 100%. Like they said, you don't know the dog is at home. You assume the dog is home, because you assume that they're where you saw them last, and did not decide to leave.

Really, I don't think that's the definition.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:19 pm


xTHExENDxISxMEx
Knowledge.
What drives man to do things such as how the Earth has turned out today.
To strive for perfection.
To learn the unattainable amount of knowledge.
Knowledge is a goal forever set by mankind, never fully attained.
One man can never know everything, as the same for everyman.
The world will never know the full extent of knowledge and power attainable, because if we did, the power in our hands would drive men crazy and everything would somehow self-destruct.

Faith.
The hope that an event will take place.
The only thing that drives people to do great things, and nearing the impossible.
The reason medical surgeries with next to zero chance of pulling through sometimes are successful.
Faith is the reason people are still alive today, people hoped and prayed for a better world.
Our world, being as inhumane and ******** up as it is, could be a LOT worse.
Faith brought by people in risky situations brighten up the world.


[[WOW!!]]
I just totally made them look opposite.
Like..one is completely good, and the other is like..evil!
Hehehe..I don't even know how I did that.
You were looking for comparisons, and I gave you mine.
Dammnnn..when I was typing, I like..just went into one of those modes where nothing outside affects you and your just typing.
Neat-o.
I guess that's it..even though thats probably not the kind of thing you're looking for.


kudos man, that was put into a very poetic fashion.

Yojimbo_sureibu


The-Whispered-Kiss

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:36 pm


Knowledge is with facts and experiance.

Faith is with experiance and belief.

I have to admit, xthexendxisxme wrote a very spiffy comment about this. o.o'
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