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 Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:49 pm
Hello and welcome to the official movie discussion for our humble HDM guild. I was privilaged enough to attend a early screening of the long awaited Golden Compass movie. Since it will not officially be released in theaters until December 7th, I am offering to answer any questions you may have biggrin !
3...2...1.......GO! WARNING: SPOILERS
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:49 pm
I cant wait to see it razz whee
2 days togo
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:38 pm
yugioh88 I cant wait to see it razz whee 2 days togo I don't want to give a biased opinion, but I will say this: If you are going to see an interesting story with some great action scenes and a perfect ending for making a sequel, enjoy, but: If you are going to see a masterful adaption of The Golden Compass, one that does it even a small shred of justice, one that follows the events of the story, one that makes you happy instead of boo and whisper, "What the hell was that?" while shaking your head in dismay...then you are going to be HORRENDOUSLY dissappointed. Peace.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:35 pm
ACK! I saw it at an early screening too!!! WHY DID THEY HAVE TO GIVE IT A FREAKING HAPPY ENDING?!?! I'm still outraged and I saw it last Friday! Spoiler--->Ending it right before Roger dies? <---Spoiler COME ON.
Sorry. I was very angry. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:41 am
I believe I used a significantly more vulgar term than "Hell" when I reached the ending of the film. However I found that the artistic style and the score are the only redeeming factors, that, and the trailer for the Speed Racer movie sort of made up for half the price of admission.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:39 pm
Kittie Katastic yugioh88 I cant wait to see it razz whee 2 days togo I don't want to give a biased opinion, but I will say this: If you are going to see an interesting story with some great action scenes and a perfect ending for making a sequel, enjoy, but: If you are going to see a masterful adaption of The Golden Compass, one that does it even a small shred of justice, one that follows the events of the story, one that makes you happy instead of boo and whisper, "What the hell was that?" while shaking your head in dismay...then you are going to be HORRENDOUSLY dissappointed. Peace. For a masterful adaption 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:24 am
Loz. You guys are funny. But on to buisness. Let me start off with this: IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE!!!! XD At least Pullman had a little say in what he wanted with the movie.
My basic opinion is this, if you hadn't read the books, you'd have no friggin' idea with what was going on. There were parts of the book that they portrayed very well, like the way the alethiometer worked and, let's just say it now, Nicole Kidman made a great Ms. Coulter.
I went to see it with a few of my friends, who hadn't read the books (well, one of them did, and she was making faces as well), and I got popped several times because they got tired of me going "What the *censored*!!! That's not the way it happpened!!!", and then everyone looked at me in horror when I went, "Y'know, that kid was supposed to die."
I guess I can only try and reason that it was a very hard book to adapt, what with all the layering, and they had to set up for the sequel, if this moive is popular enough.
All in all, I'd give it about a 2.5 out of 5, because it was alright, but there are some things that, me, as a literature snob, didn't thouroughly enjoy.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:28 am
It still seems as though they attempted to dumb it down for a six year old.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:28 pm
So I just saw it today and was very disappointed in the ending. I literally stood up and yelled "Are you kidding me?!" when the screen went blank and the lights came on. Goodness. it was amazing up until that part.
Oh, and another thing that bugged me was that they showed Dust whenever someone would die. Their daemons were just supposed to go out like a light, not in a flash of Dust. So that totally kills the point of the Amber Spyglass...if anyone can see Dust when a person dies...why would they need it? They wouldn't. So the 3rd movie is pretty much killed. I'm disappointed.
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:36 pm
I just saw it today. Ugh! Wtf! gonk
Since when is Lee a *****?! "Hey, baby. Wanna take a ride in my balloon? wink " Okay, so it was more like, "hey! you look like you need an aeronaut!" but it still didn't make any sense! Randomly walking up to people saying they need an aeronaut?
And Mrs. Coulter. "Hey, girl that I've never talked to before! Did you know that Ragnar Stupidface wants a daemon? Isn't that interesting and not completely out of the blue?"
Jeez, what the heck was wrong with the writers? Almost every bit of dialogue was disjointed and random, there were fourth wall breaks everywhere, the characters practically addressed the viewer instead of each other, and the changes made to the plot left gaping plotholes. Not to mention the ending. I'm extremely disappointed. gonk
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:48 am
You know, my biggest complaint isn't how they took out all the detailed background to be able to fit everything in (as that was expected, really) and it wasn't cutting the ending short (it'll probably begin her part in the next movie, although they're screwing themselves over in the long run by pulling crap like that... they can't possibly fit everything in without making the movies longer).
No, my biggest complaint is the scene in the fishing hovel. You know, they really cut out the importance of what was done him, and in return cut a lot of the drama from what was supposed to be the gullotine scene (not some odd electric fence that kills the daemon... bah). No death or anything. emo
Oh well. I was still grinning like an idiot the whole time. xd
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:13 pm
__penguin__ I just saw it today. Ugh! Wtf! gonk Since when is Lee a *****?! "Hey, baby. Wanna take a ride in my balloon? wink " Okay, so it was more like, "hey! you look like you need an aeronaut!" but it still didn't make any sense! Randomly walking up to people saying they need an aeronaut?
I actually liked how they expanded on Lee's character. In the movie he casually manipulates the gyptians and Lyra to free Iorek and give him a job. Totally in the spirit of a Philip Pullman character, XD
What I didn't like is how the snow bridge goes to Bolvangar instead of to the mountain or whatever at the very end. No scientific station would be built where the apparent main way in or out is across a crevasse on a snow bridge that can almost support the weight of one child. Also, she just waltzes in there, by herself? And she's at Bolvangar for what, an hour or two?(not counting when she's knocked out)
I just really loved the whole secret-resistance feeling of Lyra's time at Bolvangar, and the whole feeling of fear, but in the movie, the fear, just wasn't really there. Panic, sure, when she gets put in that weird electric-fence machine, but not the same as the book.
But overall, it was pretty good, and I'll probably end up seeing it again when my brother gets back from college for Christmas.
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:18 am
I really hated it as a movie based on the best books ever. It was so disjointed and weird how they switched the Bolvangar and Salvbard scenes and why on earth did have Billy be found in the shack it was supposed to be Tony and Billy's daemon is not named Ratter she is Tony's. Then at the end when they didn't kill Rodger, my sister fears that they don't plan on killing Roger and that they will give him the subtle knife instead of Will. I mean why not add the 10 minute death scene on, it was only a 1 1/2ish hour movie anyway? Plus they're technology is supposed to be behind our world's anyway.
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:13 am
I'm actually split on the movie. But then again- so was the movie...
The First half was pure amazement and love. I think it was interpreted beautifully- giving all the pertinent information in a way that was movie-friendly. Not only that- it wasn't Harry-Potter-esque in simply transliterating scenes from the book to the movie. I especially loved the way they portrayed Lyra's world with her complicated relationships etc with the gyptian kids and such.
And, Nicole Kidman as Mrs Coulter = ultimate win.
Then... I'm not sure what happened. The downhill slide started from Lyra heading North and meeting up with Iorek, which was all well and good in my opinion anyways.
Then there came the Billy Costa/Tony Makarios debacle. I don't really mind that they combine them into one. Tony is a rather redundant character which is perfectly acceptable in a novel of The Northern Light's length but in a movie it wastes too much time that could be taken up with plot.
Anyway, What the hell was with the gyptian's reaction when Lyra brings him back? I was expecting a much different reaction to Billy- especially from his mother all we got was a half hearted 'we'll get you're daemon back' as if kids lose their daemons everyday and, while it's not desirable it's certainly not a huge blip on the radar. I wanted screaming dammit! evil
That, combined with the bizarre Bolvanger/Svalbard switch- that seemed to me like the director decided that there was obviously too much serious plot-stuff going on and they needed an action scene just to you-know keep everyone interested and all.
Then they make their way to Bolvanger where Lyra spends a good ten minutes before escaping. To be protected by Iorek- and only Iorek, might I add. Does anyone else think it's a tad bizarre that Iorek becomes bear king and then careers off into battle by himself? Obviously the bears aren't that loyal to their king.
So all in all, after setting up the scene beautifully (and I mean that, I really do) the movie loses it's entire point because of a rush toward an action scene and then a hurried finish- completely missing the point of those two sections of the book. I.e. The horror of Children having their daemon's taken from them and Iofur's (as a side note why did they change his name?) desire to be human and the detrimental effect it had on the bears as a whole.
Sorry for the essay, I haven't had anyone to rant to in RL XD Forgive me?
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:59 pm
pandapjays Then there came the Billy Costa/Tony Makarios debacle. I don't really mind that they combine them into one. Tony is a rather redundant character which is perfectly acceptable in a novel of The Northern Light's length but in a movie it wastes too much time that could be taken up with plot. Anyway, What the hell was with the gyptian's reaction when Lyra brings him back? I was expecting a much different reaction to Billy- especially from his mother all we got was a half hearted 'we'll get you're daemon back' as if kids lose their daemons everyday and, while it's not desirable it's certainly not a huge blip on the radar. I wanted screaming dammit! evil pandapjays That, combined with the bizarre Bolvanger/Svalbard switch- that seemed to me like the director decided that there was obviously too much serious plot-stuff going on and they needed an action scene just to you-know keep everyone interested and all. Then they make their way to Bolvanger where Lyra spends a good ten minutes before escaping. To be protected by Iorek- and only Iorek, might I add. Does anyone else think it's a tad bizarre that Iorek becomes bear king and then careers off into battle by himself? Obviously the bears aren't that loyal to their king.
But I lol'd at how after Iorek defeated Iofur (NOT Ragnar mad ) and then tossed responsibility to the wind, leaving his kingdom and deciding to be Lyra's sole escort into a well-guarded enemy position without his armor.
Speaking of Iorek, I hate how they demolished his character. He's supposed to be a convicted murderer, dammit! And not... epic. *twitch* Someone needs to tell Sir Ean McLellan that he's not playing an inherently good, awe-inspiring, mentor-like, and EPIC2THEMAX figure for once.
And they left out the whole bit about fencing with Iorek and how bears can't be tricked.
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