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AnarchoManiac

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:53 am


The Ubershmecksay Credibility and Resource Database

In any good debate that requires hard facts to back up your point, you would need to cite your sources. If you don't and you were up against me and I had my sources cited, then I would ask you to do the same. If you don't, I assume that you lose if you don't.

You then get pissed off at me. Or at any other person in the ED who says "give meh sources". You then ignore the sources we put up or claim them to be "liberally biased", "conservatively biased", or just "biased". Too bad. That does not change the fact that you still lose. Good job.

Well, if you have a hard time finding sources because you epically phail at using keywords on Google, then do not fret. This thread is here to help.

The purpose of this thread is that I'll give you my sources. You give me your sources. We dump it in here. We check if its credible or not. Then this thread gives other people resources that they may need in combat.

Yay!
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:54 am


Resource Database

In case you have trouble figuring out what websites you have at your disposal out there on the internets' tubes, consider the following:


Television News Media
CBC: Canadian
CTV: Canadian
Global: Canadian
Fox News: American
CBS: American
MSNBC: American
ABC News
CNN: American
BBC: British


Newspaper
The Toronto Star: Canadian
The Globe and Mail: Canadian
The New York Times: American
Washington Post: American
The Guardian: British
Online Newspapers A nifty site where you can find information from over thousands of newspapers around the whole world.


Magazines
TIME
Forbes Business and News
Businessweek
New Scientist
The Skeptic
Newsweek


Encyclopedias
Britannica Online
Encyclopedia
Wikipedia


Alternative Media
Prison Planet (From a FNORD! point of view.)
DailyKos (Liberal point of view)
Canada Free Press (Canada's Conservative Voice...)


Places you Must Troll in at Least Once in Your Life
The Flat Earth Society
Storm Front
Conservapedia

Doesn't take so hard to troll in those three sites. Not hard at all. Just try giving a sound opinion. That would be simple enough.



Otherwise, before the places you must troll, each of the sites above that list are just websites that may have what you are looking for. The searching doesn't stop right after clicking the sites. You have to do your own searching once you reach there.


(being expanded whenever fellow EDers provide some sites of their own.)

AnarchoManiac


AnarchoManiac

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:55 am


How to Spot Bullshit When You See It

This little piece of information will explain to you: PROPAGANDA! However, what is propaganda? Is it always bad? Can it be good? Lets look at one of the most well known piece of propaganda:

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You can't say that propaganda is necessarily a good thing or a bad thing.

The Definition of Propaganda
Quote:
The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.


Thats as unbiased as I can make it.



So how do you spot Propaganda?

Simple, here are a few things you should look out for to make sure that your source, or your opponents source is not propaganda. This little blurb is also helpful to be linked to in case some random douchebag tells you "oh that source is propaganda". In other words, you may source this post for all the information has been ripped out of the following book: Propaganda & the ethics of persuasion, I own a copy, or Wikipedia.

So here is what you should look out for.


Glittering Generalities


Glittering generalities are emotionally appealing words so closely associated with highly valued concepts and beliefs that they carry conviction without supporting information or reason. Such highly valued concepts attract general approval and acclaim. The appeal is to emotions such as love of country, home; desire for peace, freedom, glory, honor, etc. They ask for approval without examination of the reason. They are typically used by politicians and propagandists. The term may have originated with the Institute for Propaganda Analysis.

A glittering generality has two qualities:

1. It is vague
2. It has positive connotations

Words like "strength", "democracy", "patriotism", "terrorists", and "freedom" are terms that people all over the world have powerful associations with, and they may have trouble disagreeing with them. It is as if to say, who could argue against "freedom"? However, these words are highly abstract, and meaningful differences exist regarding what they actually mean or should mean in the real world. For instance, while few may argue against "freedom", how it is judged what exactly "freedom" is or should be in a given scenario may be completely contradictory between different people.


Some Examples

John Kerry
"I believe in an America that's strong at home and respected in the world. I believe we can have a strong economy focused on good-paying jobs, a health care plan that reduces costs, an energy plan that frees us from Mideast oil, and I believe we can lead a strong military and strong alliances that keep America safe and secure."


George W Bush
"It's really a difference about who do you trust, if you really think about it. Do you trust a social entrepreneur on the ground, or do you trust a planner in a faraway capital? And I think you'll find that these initiatives I've talked about, and the spirit that you've just defined, is now kind of the attitude in Washington. And that's important. That really is important. If we say what matters is whether or not lives are being saved, you figure out how to do it, you'll find that the entrepreneurial spirit at the social level will be much more invigorated and much more alive. The energy level will be tremendous at the grassroots level. And that's really the job of government, is to set the strategy and the goals and get out of the way."




Transfer

Transfer is a technique used in propaganda and advertising. Also known as association, this is a technique of projecting positive or negative qualities (praise or blame) of a person, entity, object, or value (an individual, group, organization, nation, patriotism, etc.) to another in order to make the second more acceptable or to discredit it. It evokes an emotional response, which stimulates the target to identify with recognized authorities. Often highly visual, this technique often utilizes symbols (for example, the Swastika used in Nazi Germany, originally a symbol for health and prosperity[1]) superimposed over other visual images. An example of common use of this technique in America is for the President to be filmed or photographed in front of the American flag[2] Another technique used is celebrity endorsement[3].


Some Examples

~A younger, aspiring politician has a photograph taken with a senior political icon in order to share the latter's prestige. Photographing a politicians in front of a revered institution, such as Parliament, can have the same effect. The biggest one is having the flag of your country behind you.

~When the United States borrows Tom Hank's credibility in The Simpson's Movie.



Testimonial

A testimonial consists of having a respected or hated person say that a given idea, program, product, or person is either good or bad. This appeal to authority (see the fallacy forums for that one) encourages us to accept the idea without subjecting them to critical examination. To avoid being duped by such appeals, we should ask ourselves who or what is quoted in the testimonial; what reason there is for regarding the person, organization, etc., appealed to as authoritative; and, finally, what merits attach to the idea, etc., apart from the testimonials.

When you look at any testimonial, you should ask yourself "for whom?" and think about who benefits from it.


Some Examples

Dr. Fred Singer made the testimonial that the Earth is not warming. However, a few years later he admit that it was, but he said it wasn't caused by humans. However, if you look at Dr. Fred Singer's background, you would realize that he was being paid by organizations funded by ExxonMobil. The same happened decades ago when he testified that smoking and lung cancer had no correlations, however during that time he was being paid off by tobacco companies. Thus you must ask yourself "for whom?"

When a celebrity testifies the usage of a product, but the celebrity's sponsors are the people who made that very product. Again, ask yourself "for whom?" To who does this testimonial benefit?

The biggest one: Colin Powell testifies in front of UN that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. We then realize there were no WMDs in Iraq. Now ask yourself "for whom?" To whom does this testimonial benefit? Iraq has a lot of oil, and the Bush administration had d**k Cheney as CEO of halliburton, Bush as former CEO of now bankrupt Arbusto, Condeleeza Rice as Board of Director of Chevron, and Phil Cooney oil lobbyist and former chairman of Environmental policy now working for Exxon? To whom does this testimony benefit?



(to be continued)
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:56 am


Learn How to Use Google to the Max

When you don't know how to use Google search to its fullest, it is harder to go about the debate. So to help, I'll tell you a little secret thats not much of a secret.

1. Do not type in entire phrases
2. Pick out the KEYWORDs
3. If that doesn't work, find synonyms of those words and search them up
4. Find websites that you may believe contain your information and use the search option on the website instead.
5. Find "experts" on the topic instead

I personally find it really annoying when people who search something on Google type in something like "When did the great depression happen?"

If you found what you were looking for, congratulations, but if thats how you approach every search, we need to do some refining of your skills.

For example,

When did the Great Depression happen?

In this question, you have to realize that Google will search the key words "did", "great", "depression", "happen".

That won't yield a maximum amount of websites. Rather, you just want to know when the Great Depression happened. Now think for yourself rather than letting Google do it all.

Wouldn't you get the time when the Depression happened just by typing in "The Great Depression"?

You have to realize that a certain topic may contain many pieces of information within it. Chances are that a topic on the Great Depression will already consist of when it started right at the beginning of the article you may stumble upon. If that is so, then what is the use of typing in the whole sentence? There is none

(to be expanded)

AnarchoManiac


AnarchoManiac

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:57 am


When Can you Use a Wikipedia Article?

Wikipedia is everyone's favourite place to go when they need a quick piece of information. However, some folks claim that Wikipedia "should not be used as a source in debate". I am here to help you how to deal with those folks.

But before we begin, we have to make sure if your article meets the following requirements: Does it have a resource section with footnotes and bibliography?

If so, then chances are that the article is okay to use.

If they still believe otherwise, throw this Wikipedia article at them.

Wikipedia is potentially a good thing - it provides a speedier response to new events, and to new evidence on old items. Some may criticize that it can be edited by anyone. Why yes it can. Now try writing a load of bullshit in a science article and see how long it lasts. I challenge you.

On the other hand, no information source is guaranteed to be accurate, and we should not place complete faith in something which can so easily be undermined through malice or ignorance... That does not devalue the project entirely, it just means that we should be sceptical about Wikipedia entries as a primary source of information... It is the same with search engine results. Just because something comes up in the top 10 on MSN Search or Google does not automatically give it credibility or vouch for its accuracy or importance." He adds the observation that since most popular online sources are inherently unreliable in this way, one byproduct of the information age is a wiser audience who are learning to check information rather than take it on faith due to its source, leading to "a better sense of how to evaluate information sources"

So thats ultimately what determines if a Wikipedia Article is credible or not: its sources. Check them before using the article in a debate.

If your opponent still remains on his or her stance that "Wikipedia sucks", just click on the embedded citations in the Wiki article that supports what you talk about and cite that in the debate instead.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:10 am


Credibility of the Corporate Media

...to be continued...

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