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Yojimbo_sureibu

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:00 pm


I know, I'm sorry, but I thought that this could be fun. I really mean no offence of any scared by this event.

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I know this happened a long time ago, and I apologize to those that this may cause a soft spot for, and those that have already heard of this, but this is information I've just heard about not a month ago.

The 9/11 conspriacies:

About 6 years ago a plane crashed through the World Trade Center twin towers. Some thaought this a terrorist attack, some not so sure.

Those that have actually witnessed the collasp have made statements such as: "I swear, I heard a bomb explode from the inside."

The question that's been asked was, "Was this terrorist, or our own U.S. Govermnent?"

The evidence brought up to support the claims of the Government bombed the inside of the building are:

1. The many citizens that have claimed to have felt and/or heard bombs from the inside.

2. Caught on video, the huffs of smoke exploding on lower levels of the building then where the fire actually was.

Even firemen are sceptics to the buildings colapsing due to a fire. Many have stated that it looked more like a controlled demolishen then a terrible event. They said the red flames could have only possibly reached a small amount over 2000 F, when the melting point of the steel was 3000 F.

Also, even if the fire were to destroy the building, the fourty-seven steel beams, that were the core of the building, should still have been standing.

And, over that last half a century (probally more) in the history of the world, only three steel based buildings have been destroyed. The Twin Towers, and building no. 7. They were all destroyed on the same date, and no plane ever hit building no.7, so was that to be destroyed by terrorist too?

Sure, that makes sense, but the plane crashed through the building. Exploding, in it, so how could the jet engine do anything? I understand the steel weakening, but, could it really have weakened enough in less then the half-a-minute (About 13 seconds) Tthe twin towers collasped? At free-fall speed? The same way a controlled demolition would have worked?

And what about the trained fire/policeman? do they have no idea what a bomb feels like? And we don't know the reasons why the government would do this, but we do know they were trying to cover it up. Look at video one. Also, do you work in legislature? how do you know they would have no reason to do this? Do you know how much secret crap thier keeping from us?

And the conspiricies aren't pinning the entire nail on the Government. They're just the largest suspect. The actual thing people are on about is that 9/11 could not have happened the way the media sold it. The plane was the magician's trick, the smoke and mirrors are the conspiracies. They blame the government because they seemed to have been covering it up.

Video one comepletely shows the government selling a story through mass media. Like cover story 1, the guy was not a resident of New York. He retained no accent, and seemed not to be phased by the event, in fact he was down right excited to explain it. Government placed him there. How in the world could he explain what happened when it just happened minutes earlier? Firemen and policemen didn't even understand! How would he?

Video #4 shows the British Broadcast Channel saying, to the rest of the world, what happened to the WTC and building #7. But one: When they broadcast it, it didn't even happen until 23 mins later, and in the window building #7 was still there.

Did you watch the videos? #2 and 3 show how it was immpossible for the WTC to collasp the way is did due to fire. Look at video 2, it'll compare far more intense fires in steel buildings, that left the core standing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GDa-L4hHHo

EXTRA, EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT! more on the other conspiricy!
The next two videos explain how the collasp of the TT is scientificly impossible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnSSz8AXNYQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlqM6-tppgw

The newest conspiracy is also a missile was launched before the plane hit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbCcb6NV8Io

And how did the rest of the world, Through the BBC, learn of how Building Number 7's collasp 23 mins before it happened?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oNhbsJ81Q4

Now, Also explain why the media never mentioned of the core that did not survive. And why all the concrete under the TT was pulverised to dust? Fine dust finer than sand? You try it: drop a brick of concrete from the empire state, and see if it turns to dust. And from a fire created from a fuel, how does it create a fire that makes it so the largest piece of the building they could find is a telephone? NOt even- The keypad of the telephone? And why is there no trace of the plane at all. When it fell into the building, did it stay in there and wait for the fire to comepetly burn it into nothing? NO!

And of course, why would a red fire do this much damage? white/yellow flames are hotter, and really you need a blue flame (the hottest of them all) to melt and weld STEEL?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:35 pm


Not only is everything that you've said absolutely foundationless and ridiculous, but you've also managed to put it in the wrong subforum. Way to go, moron.

How many times have you crashed a 747 into a skyscraper in the midst of New York City? Never? Wow. =D Then you have no idea what it might be like. Are you a credible and reliable physicist? Can you explain to me EXACTLY how this event would happen in a simulator, given the exact masses, amount of fuel, velocity, angle, and various other factors? =D No? Wow! That's really interesting.

There's not a way for me to support or refute any of your statements, but this is just ridiculous to me, and you've also placed it in the wrong subforum. Again, way to go, moron. THERE ARE NO FALLACIES HERE, SO WHY WOULD YOU SUSPECT THIS BELONGS IN A FALLACY SUBFORUM? I hate people like you. Pack up your things and die leave.

EDIT:
Please use spell check and a dictionary. I imagine the word, "scarred," is what you meant in the first line, as it does make a little more sense than the word, "scared." Additionally, you spelt the word, "demolition," like a retard. =D Please hang up and try again. I'm not going to critique every mistake you made, those were just the two that stood out to me the most.

Oh, wait! There's more!

"And how did the rest of the world, Through the BBC, learn of how Building Number 7's collasp 23 mins before it happened?" <-- Did you seriously even read what you were typing? Or did you just pretty much slam your face into your keyboard repeatedly and push that little, "submit," button?

Corn-Sama Ze Stalker


Yojimbo_sureibu

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:35 pm


Corn-Sama Ze Stalker
Not only is everything that you've said absolutely foundationless and ridiculous, but you've also managed to put it in the wrong subforum. Way to go, moron.

How many times have you crashed a 747 into a skyscraper in the midst of New York City? Never? Wow. =D Then you have no idea what it might be like. Are you a credible and reliable physicist? Can you explain to me EXACTLY how this event would happen in a simulator, given the exact masses, amount of fuel, velocity, angle, and various other factors? =D No? Wow! That's really interesting.

There's not a way for me to support or refute any of your statements, but this is just ridiculous to me, and you've also placed it in the wrong subforum. Again, way to go, moron. THERE ARE NO FALLACIES HERE, SO WHY WOULD YOU SUSPECT THIS BELONGS IN A FALLACY SUBFORUM? I hate people like you. Pack up your things and die leave.

EDIT:
Please use spell check and a dictionary. I imagine the word, "scarred," is what you meant in the first line, as it does make a little more sense than the word, "scared." Additionally, you spelt the word, "demolition," like a retard. =D Please hang up and try again. I'm not going to critique every mistake you made, those were just the two that stood out to me the most.

Oh, wait! There's more!

"And how did the rest of the world, Through the BBC, learn of how Building Number 7's collasp 23 mins before it happened?" <-- Did you seriously even read what you were typing? Or did you just pretty much slam your face into your keyboard repeatedly and push that little, "submit," button?


Well, excuse me! I thought as imperfect species we humans are entitled to mistakes!!!

Ang so the wrong come to speak again, for if the definition of a fallacy is in fact:
1.A misleading, deseptive, false notion or belief.
2. A misleading or unsound arguement.
or
3. deceptive, misleading, or false nature; erroneousness.
then I'm sure this is the correct sub-forum.

The fallacy in this topic goes to none other then our president, and his pancake theory. His lie that it was Iraq and just how the whole thing literally went down.

oh, and your last comment? that will never make sense in any way what so ever! Building number 7 was still standing when BBC told the rest of the world what happened. how in the world does that makes sense idiot?! Yes, the BBC told them, I get it if that's what you saw/ meant, but how did the BBC know that happened 23 minutes before it happened? "Deh, dee dee!"
PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:59 pm


Yojimbo_sureibu
Corn-Sama Ze Stalker
Not only is everything that you've said absolutely foundationless and ridiculous, but you've also managed to put it in the wrong subforum. Way to go, moron.

How many times have you crashed a 747 into a skyscraper in the midst of New York City? Never? Wow. =D Then you have no idea what it might be like. Are you a credible and reliable physicist? Can you explain to me EXACTLY how this event would happen in a simulator, given the exact masses, amount of fuel, velocity, angle, and various other factors? =D No? Wow! That's really interesting.

There's not a way for me to support or refute any of your statements, but this is just ridiculous to me, and you've also placed it in the wrong subforum. Again, way to go, moron. THERE ARE NO FALLACIES HERE, SO WHY WOULD YOU SUSPECT THIS BELONGS IN A FALLACY SUBFORUM? I hate people like you. Pack up your things and die leave.

EDIT:
Please use spell check and a dictionary. I imagine the word, "scarred," is what you meant in the first line, as it does make a little more sense than the word, "scared." Additionally, you spelt the word, "demolition," like a retard. =D Please hang up and try again. I'm not going to critique every mistake you made, those were just the two that stood out to me the most.

Oh, wait! There's more!

"And how did the rest of the world, Through the BBC, learn of how Building Number 7's collasp 23 mins before it happened?" <-- Did you seriously even read what you were typing? Or did you just pretty much slam your face into your keyboard repeatedly and push that little, "submit," button?


Well, excuse me! I thought as imperfect species we humans are entitled to mistakes!!!

Ang so the wrong come to speak again, for if the definition of a fallacy is in fact:
1.A misleading, deseptive, false notion or belief.
2. A misleading or unsound arguement.
or
3. deceptive, misleading, or false nature; erroneousness.
then I'm sure this is the correct sub-forum.

The fallacy in this topic goes to none other then our president, and his pancake theory. His lie that it was Iraq and just how the whole thing literally went down.

oh, and your last comment? that will never make sense in any way what so ever! Building number 7 was still standing when BBC told the rest of the world what happened. how in the world does that makes sense idiot?! Yes, the BBC told them, I get it if that's what you saw/ meant, but how did the BBC know that happened 23 minutes before it happened? "Deh, dee dee!"

I was referring to your grammar in the last line, dipshit.

Second, read the RULES to the fallacy subforum. I don't think your dictionary defintion applies when the RULES are there. This is clearly an argument / debate, and it belongs in the DEBATE subforum, not the fallacy subforum.

Additionally, please copy/paste everything into your Microsoft Word application or other application that replaces it in order to perform a spell check. It would greatly help your argument. Someone who speaks like a moron comes across as a moron, and I'm quite tired of talking to someone as illiterate and incompetent as you.

Good day, sir.

Corn-Sama Ze Stalker


Xenrac

Dapper Gekko

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:35 pm


For the sake of debunking your theories, I'll post this, even though you were already told off.


First off; the huffs of smoke could easily be explained by the fact that the weight from the upper floors falling would create higher pressures in the lower floors that would escape wherever possible.

Second off; building no. 7 was completely eclipsed by debris at the time of the announcement, and it's very easy to make the assumption that something was destroyed by the shock wave of two bigger things right beside it (and even if it was a conspiracy, do you really think our government would tell anyone else that we did it, let alone Brittan).

Third off; the collapse of the north tower was caused by the collapse of the south tower (it might have been the other way around I'm not sure) and the south tower collapsed first because it took damage much lower than the north tower so more weight was sitting on it.

Fourth off; who says that steel has to melt to hold less weight (btw those temperatures were in Celsius not Fahrenheit).

Fifth off; ever heard of adrinaline or tourism?

And let's say it isn't a conspiracy but those bombs were there and were planted by the us government; there is a simple explanation for that, the bombs were planted because a building that's completely destroyed in the middle of chaos is better than one that could fall at any time and they aren't telling us about it because they botched up the demolition time causing innocents to be killed.
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