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CatharinesWhisper

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:46 am


So really Whisper and I have been jumping for a while, and suddenly out of nowhere, he's dragging his forelegs. He used to tuck them so nicely but now he's trailing his left one when on a right lead. He also dangles them and doesn't take the jump as snugly as before. Would you say it's because he's getting bored?
He's also starting to prop his forelegs before he jumps, and it sets me terribly off-balance. We have competed before and these problems have come out of the blue. I figure he may need a change.
We have had a vet check him.

Please, only advice from experienced jumpers. Guessing isn't going to do my horse anything good, not to offend anyone.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:59 pm


Well I can't honestly tell you what's wrong for sure. But I read in a magazine that if your horse needs to pick up its feet you can try using grids and combinations, and try bounces, or in-and-outs. Your horse learns that after he jumps the first one, he has to go right in and jump the next one. If he doesn't pick up his feet it won't be pleasant, to say the least ^^;

That's all I've got. I can try and do some more research ;]

StEeVy


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:27 pm


Sounds like he's getting bored of doing the same stuff. Try and mix it up. Do LARGE courses of various sized and spaced jumps. Try oxars, bunnyhops and other things like canoes in a row or so to make him pick up and not drag.

Other then that, I don't see how really he is dragging for no reason. Does he wear shoes? Are you using bell boors or splints? I'm sure it's not a medical reason because most horses will drag if they get lazy or tired or bored. But it sounds like your guy is just bored. Try and mix it up.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:05 pm


What do you mean by prop? Do you mean like chip (get in to the jump too close, and pop on the front end last second before jumping)? That could be part of the problem in the hanging legs. How long have you been jumping him for? How old is he? Is he uphill to the fence? Or does he drag you there? One thing you could do is set up canter poles to keep him striding right all the way to the jump. Poles help keep them up. Is he doing it with both leg, just especially the left? Or is it just when he's on the one lead?

Brat_and_a_half


CatharinesWhisper

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:30 am


STEVY: Did it mention the height of the in-and-outs? Like, should it be his regular jumping height, lower, or higher? Thanks for the suggestion, if the magazine says anything else, let me know. Thanks for not ballparking at a potential problem, I really appreciate the lack of wild guessing games. heart I love a person who can admit that they don't know. End of adoration whee




SAIKANO: Canoes? Boats? you mean something SOLID that a horse can easily trip over? I said he drags his feet, I don't want to die.

Please, no offence, but I know you're not a jumper and I don't want to jump down your throat but I don't have the time for guessing games and dangerous suggestions. I did ask for experienced jumpers only...

FOR THE PEOPLE READING: Don't jump your horse over boats!




BRAT: He's seven, I've been jumping him for about two years. He's a QH, so he's downhill, unless you mean is he picking up his shoulders, then yes, he is picking his shoulders up nicely. By prop I mean, he planting his front feet, throwing his head up, and then setting his hind legs to jump, so I don't think it's a misjudge of stride. He's never had a problem judging jumps. Whichever lead he's on is the one that leads the jump. The off-leg trails behind. I've had ground poles set up for him good and fine, and I normally have one RIGHT at the takeoff point when he gets out of the game.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:51 am


Excuse me? How do YOU know I'm not a jumper? I did TONS of jumping back in the day, and even back when I started with Julie. (Had to stop, Bobbin went lame at a show because of slippery landing, and no one else was to be ridden because they were ponies. XP )
If you don't want to Die, Then don't jump. Don't get on a horse. It's that simple. Horses are dangerous animals. You know that. When you get on and start jumping, you know your horse could seriously injure you from anything.
A canoe is no more then half a foot high. You could try poles over it, try raised trot poles and such to get him to pick up.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:33 am


Yeah, like Stevy I would recommend grid work and work on ground poles to get his brain in gear and thinking about where his legs are going. I wouldn't have the jumps too high, just what he can jump comfortably and easily. There's no point jumping bigger if he's having trouble with basic technique xD
Good luck :3
PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:53 pm


Solid jumps don't make a difference in this situation.
Do you have a video or pictures you could post? oh! and does he doit over oxars too, or just verticals? If you ride to the fence with solid leg, and keep him from propping, does he still do it all the same? (We need to figure out where the issue is first, if its him chipping, he could be hesitant to really use his hocks). I don't know, since he's been checked by the vet, that's the only other thing I can think of that would make a sudden change like that. I'll ask my coach about it when I see her.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:04 pm


Well, a couple things come to mind, so here are a few ideas. If you want me to expand on anything, just ask.

-Firstly, ensure he is wearing open-front jumping boots, not the kind that wrap around his entire leg. This way, if he bumps himself, it will cause a little discomfort and encourage him to pick up his legs. In any case, he should be wearing some sort of protective boots.

-You can take two ground poles and place the ends on top of a small vertical to make a V shape, with the two ends together on the jump, and the other two ends on the ground. Have a friend on the ground with you to help you spot of it is helping him snatch his legs up. This configuration can be a little scary for horses at first, so start low.

-Jump him over some low spread fences, encouraging him to stretch his frame over the jump.

-During the canter, place a few single ground poles a few strides in front of the fence, encouraging him to collect and get a springier canter.

It also could be that he is getting a little sour about jumping and simply needs some time off. Going back to some simple grids and pole work should boost his confidence. Maybe jump every other session? I would not do large courses at this point. If he doesn't seem attentive or pleased with his work, larger courses will probably make things worse. Think about focusing on just a few jumps with tricky turns and and complicated ground patterns to keep his mind active. You can think of it as a dressage test with some jumps thrown in.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:46 pm


One thing I try is set up a one stride then bunny hop, so like your first jump is your one stride leading into your bunny hop. But I wouldn't recommend anything to high at first. And maby try him with canter poles :3 *I know it's already been said but* get him thinking.

I agree with Brat though, if you had a video, that could help alot, and I also have to agree with Antlers. xD If the different things don't work out and he's just not getting it, maby try giving him a brake from it for a bit, so when you go back into it, it's a little more interesting. :3 Personally I like LOVE jumping so every other season might be a bit hard, nya xD But even if you leave it for say a month *I know at least down here show seasons off.* it could help a bit :3 So far it's worked with some of our guys. Sometimes all they need is a little change every once and a while, but namley just try and make things interesting for him, but also more of a challenge (Like was said quicker turns etc.)

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Groovy Spleen

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:39 pm


Take him outside the arena and pop him over some natural obstacles.

3nodding
ditches, brush, small logs.
A lot of horses really perk up and jump outside on the trail.
Too much indoor schooling and arena schooling is booooring.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:42 am


If you have someone who is experienced and knows how to do it properly, rapping can very effective to get a horse to tighten their knees back up. However, if you don't have someone who really knows what they're doing, you can also easily hurt your horse, so I wouldn't try it unless you have someone who can help. Done properly, it's not cruel or abusive, but again, you have to know what you're doing. I've also heard about little stiff rubber spike-type-things that you can put on the top of the jump that serve the same purpose. Never actually seen them myself, but it was recommended when we had a horse that started knocking rails.
What really worked for him though (and it may not be helpful for you since you didn't say anything about him touching the rails, just dangling) is we replaced the nice friendly round poles with 4X4s. They're heftier, more solid, and if they hit them a lot of times they'll rotate in the jump cup rather than coming down, and if they hit them a second time they'll get them right on the edge. We all started jumping with the 4X4s because we were in a group jumping lesson, and Tovaar wasn't allowed to jump with anything else since he seemed to be amused by knocking over as many poles as possible. They'll still come down if you hit them hard enough, but it packs a little more punch if they do hit them.

Other than that, I agree with what Antlers said about doing shorter courses with harder questions. Not necessarily higher fences, just trickier course that will keep him thinking and keep him interested. You might try shortening the distances in combinations to make them a little tighter, which would make him get deeper to the fence and can help to neaten his frame, but that's just a guess in the dark (which I know you said you didn't want... sorry)

As a note, I know I am primarily a dressage rider anymore, but I did used to event, and when I come home my trainer often has me get on one of the kids ponies and jump them around to work through an issue. I'll admit I don't know as much about the more technical aspects of hunters, but I do know a bit about jumping, and although I never rode about about training level, I was always on the ground helping my friends train, who were doing Prelim/Intermediate eventing and 4'3 jumpers (the horse I mentioned earlier). I don't claim to be an expert, but I do know a few tricks.

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CosmicCrystal

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:33 pm


I know it has been mentioned, but I am going to have to support the "He is bored" theory. We have several horses that love to jump, but if they do it a lot, or if they do the same types of jumps or courses, they get lazy. They get mind numbed just like we do. Do some flatwork or trail rides, or maybe teach him something new. (Does he doe leg yields and turns on the forehand? Simple but different biggrin ) Then after a few sessions return to jumping, but make sure you have changed the courses and jumps up. Horses are creatures of habit, as I am sure you know, so that is very important to keep in mind.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:53 pm


Going and jumping him outside of the arena is a good suggestion, if you can find somewhere to do it. And I know you said you had a vet check him out, but sometimes vets can overlook things, so maybe get a second opinion?

Ahrihliir

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