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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:47 pm
People say the unierse is always growing.... Well if thats ture... What do we call the space it is useing to grow? There a billions of Galaxies in this universe and if any of you know the extent, and share... biggness.. of the universe youll find why this puzzles me.. I asked My Dad and he said it was growing either over or into other universe's if thats so then are the others dieing, being demolished, or still living underneth ours? What if our universe is slowly takeing the life of another universe? Is it that a universe is sort of like some living entity? Growing and eating others? But back to the main piont if the universe is continualy growing; where is it growing to? Someone please enlighten me? I mite be going insane...
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:59 am
As far as we know as of now, the universe is flat. Now anyone who has ever taken geometry knows what that means, the universe as we know it is a plane. Now this is odd to some people because if that is so where is the edge of the universe? It is not like we are going to find a sign saying, "Stop Universe Ends Here". So more and more scientists are now thinking there is more than one universe. Because if space is infinite then odds are if you keep going far enough you'll eventually come across copies of Earth, may be even copies of yourself with only one small difference. The idea of parallel universes has put into sci-fi ever since the idea was first laughed it back in the 1950's. But now we are finding new evidence that parallel universes may actually exist.
There is two mean ways people look at multiple universes, 1) they are parallel universes and rarely interact with one another because each makes its own space as it grows or 2) the multiple universes do at times interact with each other and sometime crash into each other, one of the newer ideas now is that your universe was made when two or more universes crashed into each other making the "Big Bang".
Now, some people ever since prehistory has believed that our world or universe is a nexus or in a nexus. Meaning that out universe has a connection to other nearby universes and when the barrier between the universes are weaken things can past from one world or universe to the next.
So, the whole idea of there being more one universe is older than history itself. It is nothing new, it is just a case of what's old becoming new again as it is seen in a different light.
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:29 am
I regard the universe as endless, so i just think we would find more floating mass in various shapes.
Also could there really be absolute nothing? I can see the vacum of space which could be nothing, but then it wouldn't be an end as we already have travelled through space. And then could we break this endless by forcing mass through it? Wow I'm confusing myself time to go ask wiki.
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:49 pm
Endless wouldn't necessarily imply infinite.
If you tried to answer that question from the viewpoint of a twodimensional being living on a ball, his universe would have no end, no matter in which direction he'd be going he could travel into this direction for ever. His universe would have a welldefined size though. And I would think that for him there is no beyond the universe that he could experience with his senses. So as far as i can think there is also no answer we could find for the question what's beyond our universe. Our "Ball" could floot in milk, be in a vacuum or something else and with all our means there's nothing we could really conclude about it.
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:24 am
stare All matter, known or unknown, is said drift further and further away from the theorized 'Big Bang'. This expansion could be mistaken for the 'expanding' of universe. The universe in my opinion doesn't expand, it's infinite.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:39 am
it is simple there can only be dark with light so if the stars or dark matter or black holes or quasers or anything else that emits light waves(yes black holes emit radio waves) when it moves away it creates more dark expanding distances
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:02 am
You all make very interesting points, and now i have heaps more to think about.... Anyway thank you for answering my annoying question!
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:47 am
Huh, the fact you say "universe" brings up an issue for me, because, I am a firm believer in a Multiverse ... so to answer your question, what is beyond the universe we live in ... are other universes, thus creating a vast and wide Multiverse ... just time and space overlapping and folding around each other contained by gravity and other forces of Nature ...
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:34 pm
it doesnt grow or end it is simply there the only thing beyond it is God
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:33 pm
This may seem wierd, but the Universe is not just the space we live in; people make up the universe. In that case, the universe is growing. The universe is all that there is, there is nothing outside of it. Imagine it like this. Say that colors are the universe. There are some primary colors, then subordinate colors, then other colors that a basically different shades or tones on the ones before them. Now, try thinking of a color that you have not yet seen before. It is impossible; the colors we have a basically all that is available for the human mind to comprehend. We cannot expand our colors any further; all we would get would be different shades or colors. The universe is everything. There is nothing outside of the universe as far as we know. I have done studies and come up with the statement that all that lies beyond the universe is nothing. This is faulty; nothing is simply a term used to descibe absence, which means that there is not anything. The universe, and everything in it, is a thing. Other than that, there is absence of things.
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:56 pm
Look in on a little thing called "M-theory".
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:45 pm
as i understand it there is nothing beyond the universe, quite literally nothing. If you were ever to reach the edge (despite that being said to be impossible) you'd come out on the other side or something. Of course i'm talking about physical movement, alternate realities, dimensions etc. are totally different.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:40 pm
Universes don't grow. So they cannot engulf each other.
They are stable plains. Everything in them changes, but not the universe itself.
Think of a peice of paper. An infinite piece of paper. Your drawings do not affect the paper itself, you can erase, add, color, smear. What's in or contained on the paper doesn't destroy the paper. The paper is indepndent. And it will never crush.
It's stable enough for you not to fret over. ^ _ ^
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:06 am
LethalLuck Universes don't grow. So they cannot engulf each other.
They are stable plains. Everything in them changes, but not the universe itself.
Think of a peice of paper. An infinite piece of paper. Your drawings do not affect the paper itself, you can erase, add, color, smear. What's in or contained on the paper doesn't destroy the paper. The paper is indepndent. And it will never crush.
It's stable enough for you not to fret over. ^ _ ^ The expansion of the Universe comes from the fact that all the galaxies (as seen from the Earth) are in redshift. The statement is that the distances between galaxies or clusters of galaxies are continuously increasing and that therefore the universe is expanding because everything is moving away from each other.
It is more like a balloon than a sheet of paper. Draw some dots on a balloon and then inflate it. As the balloon inflates the all the dot move away from each other. But if the balloon deflates all the dots move toward each other. At the moment all the galaxies are moving away from each other so therefore the Universe is expanding, ie it is growing.
Note: Red Shift and Blue Shift are caused by the Doppler effect. Red Shift = moving away from you and Blue Shift = moving toward you.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:00 pm
ArchWarrior LethalLuck Universes don't grow. So they cannot engulf each other.
They are stable plains. Everything in them changes, but not the universe itself.
Think of a peice of paper. An infinite piece of paper. Your drawings do not affect the paper itself, you can erase, add, color, smear. What's in or contained on the paper doesn't destroy the paper. The paper is indepndent. And it will never crush.
It's stable enough for you not to fret over. ^ _ ^ The expansion of the Universe comes from the fact that all the galaxies (as seen from the Earth) are in redshift. The statement is that the distances between galaxies or clusters of galaxies are continuously increasing and that therefore the universe is expanding because everything is moving away from each other.
It is more like a balloon than a sheet of paper. Draw some dots on a balloon and then inflate it. As the balloon inflates the all the dot move away from each other. But if the balloon deflates all the dots move toward each other. At the moment all the galaxies are moving away from each other so therefore the Universe is expanding, ie it is growing.
Note: Red Shift and Blue Shift are caused by the Doppler effect. Red Shift = moving away from you and Blue Shift = moving toward you.This is where I feel things get messy. Where is it moving/expanding to?
You need open space to expand. This is why I used the paper idea.
Beyond the universe there should be more universe. Or nothing at all. And the universe would need something to grow from.
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