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loony x lovegood
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:21 pm



I've recently read posts from other veg*ns who have bought purebred animals, which led me to pose this question: is buying purebred animals ethical?

Let's begin with the facts. The Humane Society of the United Staes estimates anywhere from 6-8 million animals enter shelters each year. Only around 50% of these animals end up finding homes, the other half end up euthanized, or to avoid a euphanism, killed, due to lack of space in shelters, lack of funds, and the lack of people willing to adopt.

Purebred animals are more prone to specific genetic defects, which lead to health problems. The advantages of purebred animals? Attaining an animal with a certain appearance, temperament, and the prestige. However, as we know, breed doesn't determine an animal's personality. Not all American Pit Bull Terriers are aggressive, not all Collies bark excessively, and not all toy dog breeds are "yappy" or balls of energy.

In my opinion, breeding "purebred" animals is a form of exploitation and eugenics. It also helps fuel puppy mills and undeniably contributes to the overpopulation of animals, putting animals in shelters out of homes, causing the killing of the millions of homeless animals.

While I'm aware not all vegetarians and vegans are so because of the desire to end animal exploitation and suffering, I would believe that like the consumption of meat (and for vegans, dairy, eggs, honey, and other animal products) this would be an important issue for us.

So, now it's your turn to share.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:26 pm


Getting a companion animal from anywhere but a shelter is unethical. You're doing nothing but contributing to pet overpopulation and suffering.

ChaoticConsonance


DreamerSpirit

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:40 pm


ChaoticConsonance
Getting a companion animal from anywhere but a shelter is unethical. You're doing nothing but contributing to pet overpopulation and suffering.


Agreed.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:31 am


Not only is buying a purebred dog supporting a large overpopulation problem, many of these people who buy these dogs do little research on the breed, the breeder and the actual conditions this dog was created from. So many people deside to buy a dog without knowing anything about training, feeding, grooming, and basic care of the breed.

Having an animal is a commitment just like having a child. Something many people cannot handle. I am 100% for adoption if you know what you are doing. Last year a man adopted a hound/boxer mix and had me groom him. I wished him and his dog, Remy well and told him he has a good dog. Two days go by and he calls me saying that his incredibley active dog has to go back to the pound because he works all day and does not have time for the dog. Even though I told him I would take the dog he took the dog back to the pound and got his money back.

Another story, a puppy mill in our area was shut down. Miniture poodles and minpins that have come from there were absolutly untouchable because they had not had human contact for most of their lives. My boss fostered 10 of the minpins now for about 4 months. She still cannot touch several of the adults. She also took in a poodle who lost her pups a while back but was still bleeding out of her rear end.

My Pitbull, Terra came to me at work one day. Her owners had this puppy for one day and their mastif wanted to kill her. The breeder was kind enough to not give them their money back and take the pup back. I took her.

Instead of dealing with puppymills, backyard breeders, or even shelters do your research because if you are not prepared for the commitment of having a dog, get a goldfish. It is much less cruel to not play with these dogs lives. End of my rant wink

Henbane
Vice Captain


momomuki

PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:05 pm


I agree for the most part. I can think of a few cases where it might be ok, but for the vast majority of cases, why contribute to more breeding when there are so many animals that would benefit greatly from your care already?

The cases I can imagine would be those with special needs. For example, some breeds are very suitable as rescue dogs or seeing eye dogs. I do not have a problem "using animals" for this purpose if the animal has a pleasant life and enjoys the work. So, considering that a pure-breed lab, retriever, or st. bernard may be the most suitable for this employment, then perhaps purchasing one is acceptable.

Considering that these cases are a very small percentage, I would imagine that they do not significantly contribute to the problems mentioned in previous posts. For the vast majority of want-to-be pet "owners," I would hope they would at the very least visit the local shelter and - if a suitable (aka won't likely bite your five-year-old's head off) animal exists - choose an animal who dearly needs a caring home. Or perhaps simply abstaining from purchasing an animal rather than purchasing a purebred.

So, I wouldn't say that buying purebred animals is necessarily morally wrong in all cases. But certainly there is virtue in caring for an animal who's position is troubled enough to be in a shelter. I would imagine that there would not be virtue in choosing a pure-breed animal over a shelter animal when the only difference would be the existence of a certificate of authenticity.

Sorry for the rhetorical/philosophical wording here. It's hard to avoid it when the word "ethical" is mentioned.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:36 pm


People should not benefit from animals. Accepting money for something nature has done is ridiculous. Also, there are plenty of unclaimed animals as a result of the breeding industry. One can probably find a purebred animal in a shelter somewhere if they are that picky.

Absent Chaos


Carmelito

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:29 am


It depends on the circumstances. I prefer purebred animals and wish people wouldn't breed randomly.
Except that breeding purebreds only adds to an existing problem.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:10 pm


Everyone says that buying a purebred is bad but if it's just someone that had puppies and they happened to be purebreds like someone had two golden retrievers and they had papers then it's not wrong to get them. I think that if i went to a breeders and I saw they had bad conditions I would call the police or animal police and then adopt one that came from there cause of it's bad fortune. All animals deserve a home no matter where they come from.

blackenedstarsoftheworld


jaffa kreee

PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:12 pm


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While I think its better to adopt, I do agree that every animal needs a home no matter where they come from (well said Captain SnowFlake). Purebreeding in the sense of puppymills are aweful, but if it comes from a caring breeder who makes sure to do their best with avoiding inbreeding or causing the animals harm, I believe that's ok. Mamomuki also makes a valid point when she said that certain purebred dogs are better with certain careers than others. Also, I have a question for Absent Chaos: when you made that post, you were referring to working dogs (seeing eye dogs, police dogs, etc), correct?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:28 pm


I've had my profile for the better part of two years dedicated to the question posed by this topic. I love purebred dogs; some of them are absolutely adorable, but I think it is very wrong to be breeding them at this day and age.

I encourage you all to watch the video in my profile and see why I am vehemently against purebred breeding. Once people are actually educated and get their dogs and cats spayed and neutered, and the extreme problem of over population is no longer an issue, perhaps we can again begin to breed responsibly.

My friends get upset with me when I don't take the news of "My cat is going to have kittens!" very well. They've learned to stop telling me so I'll stop giving them the lecture on how absolutely unnecessary it is to let their cat have kittens.

It's an issue I feel very, very strongly about, and while I try to keep an open mind, I seriously doubt you'll find a compelling enough argument for me to change my mind. To own a purebred dog because you think it's "cute" or whatever is extremely selfish. There are thousands of dogs and cats in shelters that are cute and desperately need a home.

Once thing that really ticks me off are the AKC Shows. While I'm quite certain that there are people that participate in the show that absolutely love their dogs, I find it wrong to be raising them purely for the purpose of showing them off for your own benefit and money. What happened to raising dogs for what they were originally bred for? I think the purpose is lost. Dogs and cats are all just novelties now, and it needs to stop.

Kay, rant over. biggrin

Ailinea
Vice Captain


Ailinea
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:33 pm


CaptainSnowFlake
Everyone says that buying a purebred is bad but if it's just someone that had puppies and they happened to be purebreds like someone had two golden retrievers and they had papers then it's not wrong to get them. I think that if i went to a breeders and I saw they had bad conditions I would call the police or animal police and then adopt one that came from there cause of it's bad fortune. All animals deserve a home no matter where they come from.


Sorry for the double post, just re-read this.

Rescuing from puppy mills that are being forcefully closed are OK, obviously. However, an argument I'm constantly forced to contend with is: Well the animals in the pet stores have to have a home too! Of course they do, but by buying them, you're not rescuing anyone. You're supporting the breeders and puppy mills that put forth these animals for profit. You have no idea where they came from. Several pet stores will tell you their animals come from reputable breeders, but have you ever asked for papers? Or followed through on the papers to visit the breeding sites yourself? A local PassPets in my hometown of Springfield, IL came under fire when they tried to pull this scam on someone who bought a puppy from their store that ended up with some severe health problems. Just Google PassPets and you'll see lots of "wonderful" stories of animals that have come from these stores.

And adopting or buying from breeders still does not help the problem of the tens of thousands of animals killed every year because you have an affinity for a "pure bred."
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:30 am


i think in the end, to solve all the animal rights issues. we should leave animals ALONE already.

R i o n l e s s


reptileluver101

PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:58 pm


loony x lovegood

I've recently read posts from other veg*ns who have bought purebred animals, which led me to pose this question: is buying purebred animals ethical?

Let's begin with the facts. The Humane Society of the United Staes estimates anywhere from 6-8 million animals enter shelters each year. Only around 50% of these animals end up finding homes, the other half end up euthanized, or to avoid a euphanism, killed, due to lack of space in shelters, lack of funds, and the lack of people willing to adopt.

Purebred animals are more prone to specific genetic defects, which lead to health problems. The advantages of purebred animals? Attaining an animal with a certain appearance, temperament, and the prestige. However, as we know, breed doesn't determine an animal's personality. Not all American Pit Bull Terriers are aggressive, not all Collies bark excessively, and not all toy dog breeds are "yappy" or balls of energy.

In my opinion, breeding "purebred" animals is a form of exploitation and eugenics. It also helps fuel puppy mills and undeniably contributes to the overpopulation of animals, putting animals in shelters out of homes, causing the killing of the millions of homeless animals.

While I'm aware not all vegetarians and vegans are so because of the desire to end animal exploitation and suffering, I would believe that like the consumption of meat (and for vegans, dairy, eggs, honey, and other animal products) this would be an important issue for us.

So, now it's your turn to share.



very well said. i agree 100%. its illegal for humans to basically be "pure-breed" b/c it causes health problems (by the pure breed part i mean marrying like your brother or dad, etc), so y isnt it illegal for breeders to do so?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:05 pm


Ailinea
CaptainSnowFlake
Everyone says that buying a purebred is bad but if it's just someone that had puppies and they happened to be purebreds like someone had two golden retrievers and they had papers then it's not wrong to get them. I think that if i went to a breeders and I saw they had bad conditions I would call the police or animal police and then adopt one that came from there cause of it's bad fortune. All animals deserve a home no matter where they come from.


Sorry for the double post, just re-read this.

Rescuing from puppy mills that are being forcefully closed are OK, obviously. However, an argument I'm constantly forced to contend with is: Well the animals in the pet stores have to have a home too! Of course they do, but by buying them, you're not rescuing anyone. You're supporting the breeders and puppy mills that put forth these animals for profit. You have no idea where they came from. Several pet stores will tell you their animals come from reputable breeders, but have you ever asked for papers? Or followed through on the papers to visit the breeding sites yourself? A local PassPets in my hometown of Springfield, IL came under fire when they tried to pull this scam on someone who bought a puppy from their store that ended up with some severe health problems. Just Google PassPets and you'll see lots of "wonderful" stories of animals that have come from these stores.

And adopting or buying from breeders still does not help the problem of the tens of thousands of animals killed every year because you have an affinity for a "pure bred."

when i was little my parents bought me a puppy from the pet store (srry, they bought it; i didnt have much of an opinon on anything yet-music or animal rights, nothing.) and it was his "favorite" dog- but he didnt even notice she wasnt eating much of the food they gave her. so she was rlly skinny when we got her, u could c her ribs and everything; and now as a old doggy shes in nice shape :3

reptileluver101


Sparrow-chan

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:17 pm


Again... this is a grey area, you can't really black and white an issue like breeding purebred dogs/cats. Your poll should have that option.

It touches on the issue of pet breeding, in general.

There are some irresponsible breeders out there, aka: puppy mills and people who overly-breed their pet dogs looking to make a profit. There's also people who have mix breeds who are too lazy/too poor to get their dogs fixed and so they too, are irresponsible breeders.

You shouldn't breed your pets..... Pet dogs, pet cats, pet ferrets, pet whatever... unless you are going to personally be able to take care of any and all offspring produced or are guaranteed of finding them good lifelong homes. (And no, "My friend said he might like one..." is not a guarantee!)

At the same time, you can't go around saying all purebred breeders are evil. Some really have their lives committed to these breeds, and do all they can to breed carefully and responsibly, and are very selective about finding their pups new homes. There also needs to be some breeders, otherwise the breeds would go extinct!

However, you'll also find those people rarely if ever are making a profit on their purebred pets.

If you want a pet, you really don't need a purebred. Most breeds of dogs were designed, originally at least, for given jobs or purposes.... hunting dogs, racing dogs, herding, fighting, ect.... some of those jobs now no longer exist, and many of these dogs suffer if forced to live the lifestyle of a bored housepet.

Which brings up another point... tons of purebreds end up in shelters! People often buy them for the wrong reasons, so they end up dumping them after a few months or years. So even if you want a given breed because of certain characteristics, chances are you can find a purebred in a shelter or rescue organization, all it takes is a little time and effort.

Like many others here have said, the first and foremost thing you should consider when getting a dog/cat or anything isn't "what breed do I like?" but the personality of the animal, and if it can mesh with your own life.
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