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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:17 am


I decided to make another thread for Biblical questions. I know that most people have difficulty when it comes to religious issues and also that there are many different ways that people interpret the Bible, as well as there being people who simply hate the Bible or feel that it is overrated.

Well, I'm not here to change anyone's ideas.

I'm opening this thread to perhaps clear up any misconceptions that people may have about the Bible. There are a lot of crazy and interesting things that most people do not know about.

Anyway if you have a question, a verse or anything at all that you would like to ask, ask it here and I will do my best to find an accurate answer. If I cannot answer it I will be honest and state that I do not know the Answer.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:05 pm


Something was mentioned by my teacher today about taking the Bible out of context. He said that Jesus being resurected and walking on water were too out there. I believe it happened with my whole heart. Your opinions on the things Jesus did?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:52 pm


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Something was mentioned by my teacher today about taking the Bible out of context. He said that Jesus being resurected and walking on water were too out there. I believe it happened with my whole heart. Your opinions on the things Jesus did?


This is not an opinion. This is my complete belief.

Jesus walked on water, healed the sick, and resurrected. Your teacher's statement reflects the view of a "progressive." Someone who not only doubts the existence on Christ, but the existence of a Creator as well.

First of all, the Bible with all the books is a jigsaw puzzle.
Isaiah 28:13
But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

If any verse of the Bible is in disagreement with other verses, then the Bible is being taken out of context.

As you know, walking on water is considered a minor miracle, resurrection is the great miracle, if a being can transcend death, then that being is also the creator of all things. A being who is able to manipulate molecules to become a specific substance as well as shape the Earth, leave the Earth and create the stars will no doubt be able to walk on water.

In Genesis chapter 1 verse 2, it is stated that "in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth, and the Earth was formless and void."

This is the Biblical evidence that God created all things.

but reading on...

Genesis 2:7
The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

The Bible itself since the beginning already hints at God (composed of a trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost) having the breath of life and having power over death.

To say that Jesus' resurrection was out of context or an impossibility, as I'd imagine, is to also say that Christ is not God, and His entire life was a farce...

But, let's just use another outside example for the sake of argument.

If the Bible is "taken out of context" when it states that Christ was unable to be resurrected, then why do we not also say that all the Greek Gods are taken out of context when it is stated in their mythology that they are "immortal"?

How about other books and ancient religions? Why is it that only the Bible, after thousands of years of people who believed in the Bible, held the idea that Christ did walk on Water just as those who believed the greek myths believed Aphrodite was indeed the Goddess of love? Or the Native Americans believing that they must only hunt a specific amount of animals due to the animal king being angered?

Only the Bible is taken out of context... regardless, even if translated into Hebrew, the text says the exact same thing. And all four gospels tell the same story, plus numerous references in the Old Testament to the life of Christ performing His works.

His entire life is already prophesied in the Old Testament.

Just check out this site.

http://biblia.com/jesusbible/isaiah2.htm

The fact is, the life of Christ was written before He was even born, and so the Gospels give a literal depiction of His actions and works. There is no doubt your teacher...

is wrong.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:31 am


Thanks. ^__^

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:34 pm


...I want to ask something, but nothing pops in mind. I guess I've lived too long not caring what the Bible says that I've lost all connection with my Christian side... I'll ask something as soon as it comes up, I just wanted to say that you said something incorrect about the Greek gods. They were not immortal, they were semimortal. They could live forever, but only if they weren't killed. Well, that's what mythology tells us anyways...
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:43 pm


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...I want to ask something, but nothing pops in mind. I guess I've lived too long not caring what the Bible says that I've lost all connection with my Christian side... I'll ask something as soon as it comes up, I just wanted to say that you said something incorrect about the Greek gods. They were not immortal, they were semimortal. They could live forever, but only if they weren't killed. Well, that's what mythology tells us anyways...


The Greek Gods could be "beaten" and "sealed" not killed. Only in video games and other outside works and plays on the Greek religion could they be killed.

Anyway, come up with a question and I'll see if I even have an answer.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:27 pm


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...I want to ask something, but nothing pops in mind. I guess I've lived too long not caring what the Bible says that I've lost all connection with my Christian side... I'll ask something as soon as it comes up, I just wanted to say that you said something incorrect about the Greek gods. They were not immortal, they were semimortal. They could live forever, but only if they weren't killed. Well, that's what mythology tells us anyways...
The Greek Gods could be "beaten" and "sealed" not killed. Only in video games and other outside works and plays on the Greek religion could they be killed.

Anyway, come up with a question and I'll see if I even have an answer.
Oh, see I never took a mythology class, so I was going off of stories I've heard. Apparently they were rewritten or something, because in those stories gods were killed. Well, maybe they could kill each other?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:19 pm


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Oh, see I never took a mythology class, so I was going off of stories I've heard. Apparently they were rewritten or something, because in those stories gods were killed. Well, maybe they could kill each other?


Those were only in modern takes of greek mythology, not when it was still a religion.

But the thing I don't understand about Greek Mythology is... gods can be born but cannot die? I mean, everything in the natural world which has a beginning has an end so the Greek Pantheon would be the exception, this includes the titans.

anyway, back to Bible questions. Jarc, you're also free to google up controversial Bible topics you know nothing about and hit me with them lol.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:21 pm


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Oh, see I never took a mythology class, so I was going off of stories I've heard. Apparently they were rewritten or something, because in those stories gods were killed. Well, maybe they could kill each other?
Those were only in modern takes of greek mythology, not when it was still a religion.

But the thing I don't understand about Greek Mythology is... gods can be born but cannot die? I mean, everything in the natural world which has a beginning has an end so the Greek Pantheon would be the exception, this includes the titans.

anyway, back to Bible questions. Jarc, you're also free to google up controversial Bible topics you know nothing about and hit me with them lol.
I do enjoy the concept the Greeks had that their gods weren't the creators of everything, but were instead created by the universe itself.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:39 pm


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I do enjoy the concept the Greeks had that their gods weren't the creators of everything, but were instead created by the universe itself.


The Greek gods were created from the Titans, they were the Titan's offspring which in turn were the offspring of Gaia and Sky, and the sky was born from Gaia (he married his own mother) while Gaia came from the black Chaos in the beginning.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:10 pm


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I do enjoy the concept the Greeks had that their gods weren't the creators of everything, but were instead created by the universe itself.
The Greek gods were created from the Titans, they were the Titan's offspring which in turn were the offspring of Gaia and Sky, and the sky was born from Gaia (he married his own mother) while Gaia came from the black Chaos in the beginning.
Yes, but Gaia was created from the nothingness. In short, the universe created the super natural beings. And I know the Titans gave birth to the gods, it's just shorter to say the gods were created by the universe instead of saying the Titans were created and the gods were born from them... Plus, doesn't Gaia count as a Titan?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:47 pm


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I do enjoy the concept the Greeks had that their gods weren't the creators of everything, but were instead created by the universe itself.
The Greek gods were created from the Titans, they were the Titan's offspring which in turn were the offspring of Gaia and Sky, and the sky was born from Gaia (he married his own mother) while Gaia came from the black Chaos in the beginning.
Yes, but Gaia was created from the nothingness. In short, the universe created the super natural beings. And I know the Titans gave birth to the gods, it's just shorter to say the gods were created by the universe instead of saying the Titans were created and the gods were born from them... Plus, doesn't Gaia count as a Titan?


I don't think Gaia is a titan... in some circles perhaps... but I can't really say.
In either case, the Greek gods sort of defy logic, you don't get something from nothing. wink

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:33 pm


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I do enjoy the concept the Greeks had that their gods weren't the creators of everything, but were instead created by the universe itself.
The Greek gods were created from the Titans, they were the Titan's offspring which in turn were the offspring of Gaia and Sky, and the sky was born from Gaia (he married his own mother) while Gaia came from the black Chaos in the beginning.
Yes, but Gaia was created from the nothingness. In short, the universe created the super natural beings. And I know the Titans gave birth to the gods, it's just shorter to say the gods were created by the universe instead of saying the Titans were created and the gods were born from them... Plus, doesn't Gaia count as a Titan?
I don't think Gaia is a titan... in some circles perhaps... but I can't really say.
In either case, the Greek gods sort of defy logic, you don't get something from nothing. wink
Ok, I was about to say that we were getting too far into Greek mythology for this thread, but your responce gave me great insight for continuing the biblical part of this discussion. How do you explain this universe, then? How can you explain a God when nothing can come from nothing? Even if never born, how can something be created from nothing?
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I do enjoy the concept the Greeks had that their gods weren't the creators of everything, but were instead created by the universe itself.
The Greek gods were created from the Titans, they were the Titan's offspring which in turn were the offspring of Gaia and Sky, and the sky was born from Gaia (he married his own mother) while Gaia came from the black Chaos in the beginning.
Yes, but Gaia was created from the nothingness. In short, the universe created the super natural beings. And I know the Titans gave birth to the gods, it's just shorter to say the gods were created by the universe instead of saying the Titans were created and the gods were born from them... Plus, doesn't Gaia count as a Titan?
I don't think Gaia is a titan... in some circles perhaps... but I can't really say.
In either case, the Greek gods sort of defy logic, you don't get something from nothing. wink
Ok, I was about to say that we were getting too far into Greek mythology for this thread, but your responce gave me great insight for continuing the biblical part of this discussion. How do you explain this universe, then? How can you explain a God when nothing can come from nothing? Even if never born, how can something be created from nothing?


Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.


God was here before the "beginning" and thus simply existed.

Here's a quote from Revelations.
Revelations 1:8
8"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

The explanation is simple, God didn't come from nothing, He existed and still exists. The concept that something cannot come from nothing is born by the natural cycle of the world we live in. Everything must have a beginning and an end.

To explain God, you have to understand the quote "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

God existed without a beginning, and therefore has no end. He didn't come from nothing, He just exists as the ultimate force, or the "prime mover" based on Aristotle's philosophies.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:38 pm


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The Greek gods were created from the Titans, they were the Titan's offspring which in turn were the offspring of Gaia and Sky, and the sky was born from Gaia (he married his own mother) while Gaia came from the black Chaos in the beginning.
Yes, but Gaia was created from the nothingness. In short, the universe created the super natural beings. And I know the Titans gave birth to the gods, it's just shorter to say the gods were created by the universe instead of saying the Titans were created and the gods were born from them... Plus, doesn't Gaia count as a Titan?
I don't think Gaia is a titan... in some circles perhaps... but I can't really say.
In either case, the Greek gods sort of defy logic, you don't get something from nothing. wink
Ok, I was about to say that we were getting too far into Greek mythology for this thread, but your responce gave me great insight for continuing the biblical part of this discussion. How do you explain this universe, then? How can you explain a God when nothing can come from nothing? Even if never born, how can something be created from nothing?
Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.


God was here before the "beginning" and thus simply existed.

Here's a quote from Revelations.
Revelations 1:8
8"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

The explanation is simple, God didn't come from nothing, He existed and still exists. The concept that something cannot come from nothing is born by the natural cycle of the world we live in. Everything must have a beginning and an end.

To explain God, you have to understand the quote "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

God existed without a beginning, and therefore has no end. He didn't come from nothing, He just exists as the ultimate force, or the "prime mover" based on Aristotle's philosophies.
Good, you really know what you're talking about. Most people can't explain it, they just babble on about how they're right and we could never understand it. I've always theorized that he could simply be from another universe. After all, everything that our life is based on is composed of a law from our physics. In order to have a being like God to be able to exist, he'd have to have come from outside our universe and thusly, outside our laws.

I'd like your input on that theory, and this one too: What if God was our universe? Our laws of physics tell us that matter can never be created or destroyed, and so does the beliefs about God. What if our universe was just one big conglomeration of pieces of God? It would make sence, because then he really would have no beginning or end, and we would all be apart of him. Not only that, but the idea of the entire universe being just one big entity isn't that far fetched. What is the universe but the collection of all matter in known space? What are we, but giant clusters of gathered atoms?
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