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 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:42 pm
First things first: I hate math and science, and I'm totally into English and writing. I am not a technological wizard, nor do I ever intend to be. Recently, I've been diagnosed with carpal tunnel.
I was talking with a few of my friends and was explaining my carpal tunnel. We joked a lot about it, claimed I broke it masturbating, yadda-yadda-yadda. Then my friend shouted something interesting.
"We have a defective Asian here! Now who's going to fix my PS2?"
Me: No response.
Haha, real funny. Way to stereotype. (Funnier thing--he's the chaplain for our AFJROTC unit.)
~~Discuss: (Steretyopes)
-Why people associate a particular culture/nationality with them
-Where they come from [NEW EDIT!!!]
-Any stereotype you have ever heard of [NEW NEW EDIT!!!]
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:03 pm
I am a walking stereotype, so I can't complain much when they're applied to me, but generalizing irritates me in general. Still, stereotypes exist for a reason. They have basis in some sort of fact, even if facts have changed since their origin.
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:49 pm
Now I can't say that all stereotyping is a good thing, but they aren't anything that's going to ever go away. I mean, we talk about whites being racist against minorities, but aren't those minority groups often just as racist without realizing it? I mean, a black cop is still more likely to arrest a black civilian on a hunch than they are to arrest a white civilian on a hunch. While it's a little extreme to say that all people who have the same skin color act the same, stereotyping based on clothing is still somewhat accurate. Humans are a social species, and even if we are all different, people with similar interests are going to dress the same as others with similar interests.
Sorry my arguments are somewhat disjointed, but I've never been too great at persuading people to see things the way I view them...
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:58 pm
Warn your warmth to turn away
Here it's December every day
I am Jewish and stereotypes basically stalk my every move. Especially when those moves involve money. I was nominated for Philosophy club treasurer because I was Jewish and "therefore good with money". And I'm not joking, that's what the guy who nominated me said.
Stereotypes are fun, really. I think you shouldn't let them influence actions. But a harmless jab never hurts.
Press your lips to the sculptures
And surely you'll stay
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:05 pm
Yeah, they really are sometimes. I'm half-Dutch in a Dutch heavy community, and pretty much every day, I'm making cracks at people who have full Dutch ancestry. I say stuff like, "Yeah, I don't talk about that half of my family," and "I'm only half cheap." My grandpa, who's parents were both from the Netherlands extends that and says "The other half is thrifty." I mean, there totally times when it can go too far, but in a joking context, it's fun to use stereotypes.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:16 am
Some stereotypes bug me, but not really because most of the ones for me, don't apply to me. Like all black people love chicken and watermelon. I do like watermelon, not crazy about it, and I absolutely HATE chicken, but I have a friend who, any time she invites me over to eat asks if she should make chicken. We laugh about it because she knows I hate chicken.
Also, the Italian thing about being in the mob. I am in no way involved in a mob or anything like a mob, so I shrug that off, even though people do often treat me with ... care because they think I'll send the mob after them. I used to joke about it, actually. This boy used to bother me in school, until I told him my mob uncle would hunt him down and he'd find himself in the river. Needless to say, the boy never bothered me again.
People say all black people listen to rap music. I'm not a huge fan of it. I like some of it, very little, but I mainly don't listen to it. It surprises people when I've got my mp3 player on and they ask me what I'm listening to and they'll suggest people like Fifty Cent, Kanye West, and whoever else is a rapper. I'll smile and say something like, "No. I'm listening to Seether or Evanescence or MCR. Rock music." They look at me funny and say the usual, "What kind of black person listens to that? I don't even know what that is. You sure you're black?" No, I'm not sure... rolleyes
People think I'm all into bling. I'm not. I hardly wear jewelry, mainly because I just don't like it. But I often wear my chains and such, so I guess that's a sort of bling...
Usually, I just laugh off stereotypes because most are funny and a lot of times they're wrong, but people still believe them, though. And think them, even if they don't say so.
Also, all people can be racist. No exceptions, I think.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:29 am
Agreed with Mortekitten, all people can be racist, and it comes on a case by case basis rather than a group. I don't like stereotyping in any way shape or form, but all humans do bad things, and that's a fact. Maybe they all do good things too, but I'm waiting for that.
@Imoto: I would have turned that job down and made that guy feel like a world-class p***k, which he sounds.
I've never experienced racism (I'm the right colour in the wrong place, because Belfast in the most racist city in Europe, some surveys say the world...). I guess it's possible to interpret a little Irish hating as racism, but I just think it's silly and misinformed (which all racism is I guess), though not to the point of being dangerous. I do go freely with the 'the Irish drink loads' stereotype though. It's in the blood razz
I do beleive that white people are, as a whole, more racist in more ways than minorities. So, while I am aware that they can be racist too, something bugs me about whites pointing out 'they're racist to us too!', because for the most part, it's just them trying to justify their own racism or lack of care for minorities.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:54 am
I'm part-Irish and part-German, and I was adopted into a Scottish-descended family. I joke sometimes about how I should be really able to hold my alcohol, but the truth is, the hardest thing I've ever drank was a kahlua with cream, and even that made me tipsy. I'm not a drinker, and I'm not particularly fond of the taste of beer (give me a fruity wine cooler any day).
When it comes to race, I admit I'm still at least a bit racist (nothing extreme like hating a particular race over another), despite my friendships across several different ethnic groups. However, I don't usually voice those opinions out loud, unless I'm joking about it.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:27 am
Rimbaum I'm part-Irish and part-German, and I was adopted into a Scottish-descended family. I joke sometimes about how I should be really able to hold my alcohol, but the truth is, the hardest thing I've ever drank was a kahlua with cream, and even that made me tipsy. I'm not a drinker, and I'm not particularly fond of the taste of beer (give me a fruity wine cooler any day). When it comes to race, I admit I'm still at least a bit racist (nothing extreme like hating a particular race over another), despite my friendships across several different ethnic groups. However, I don't usually voice those opinions out loud, unless I'm joking about it. I'm not racist, apart from with actions I can't help. It's hard not to support a white-dominated society when there is so little alternative, you know?
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:18 pm
@Ffaux Pas: That's true and all, but I don't understand why people use it. Is it because they're ignorant?
@Luxx Aeternam: Actually, I think that every single human being--alive or otherwise--has racist tendicies. However, I don't understand why we automatically associate a black man with a homicidal maniac. (Well, not really...)
@Imoto Lehcar: Aha, that's a little funny. I'm surprised no one said, "Don't take culinary arts class! Someone may stuff you into the oven!" I know my friend was joking, but it made me wonder why we generally associate a certain group with a stereotype.
@MorteKitten: Your post made me glad I'm pure Asian (though 1/8 Japanese and 7/8 South Korean). People think I'm a technological wizard who can do anything with math and science. So a few of my friends are like, "Yo, Nishin, fix my computer!" and they're serious.
@princess lolifoxxx: Aha, so true You're one of the lucky ones. Like, some stereotypes I can understand where they come from. But the drunken Irish one--I will never understand. If the Irish stereotype included a pronounced love for potatoes, that I understand. Stupid white people dominating America! *shakes angry fist* (Just kidding,...)
@Rimbaum: Stereotyping as a joke is one thing. Actually meaning it is another.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:49 pm
I'm a white Australian, and I see a lot of racism between our aboriginal communities and white communities here. It's absolutely disgusting. Also, we've got all sorts of little groups, and my family are upper-middle class, which tends to lead to more racism from my grandparents, particularly my grandfather on my father's side.
Damn you, old man. They're not called 'Chinks', your 'Nips' are not 'clever little yellow bastards' and the Vietnamese are not going to hurt you. 'Wogs' are not stealing your business, Jews aren't either, and aboriginals, while in a horrible circumstance at the moment, don't deserve all that said about them. And I could go on.
It makes me feel physically sick when I hear this kind of talk, from my father as well, and it's just... horrible. It's all racist, and it's all based on stereotypes.
Speaking of which, should I point out the number of Americans who, upon finding out I'm Australian, start on the 'G'day' stuff? Or assume I live near a landmark? Or go straight to the Crocodile Dundee image of Australia? I live in suburbia. It's not like that.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:50 pm
Nishin, I don't know. Most of the Irish stereotypes do apply to me, so I can't really call it ignorance when in my case they're accurate Hell, most of the male and american ones do too.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:55 pm
When you walk outside, and face the population you stereotype.
As you walk around people steretype you.
There is no avoiding that. That said, I think what your friend said was a little uncalled for. That was a crude joke.
I'm a person who can easly be stereotyped. I'm an Atheist, and I am a Furrie. Those two things are not something that you can know just by looking at me. In fact, usually I only allow my closest friends to know those two things.
However, I see stereotypes applied all the time to Atheism and to Furries, and it makes me a little angry inside. Then I just let the anger go, because stereotyping is part of life, and while it's not right, there is no use getting butt-hurt about in.
All humans stereotype. All humans have a little bit of ignorance inside. Nothing you do is going to change that. So you learn to cope, and grow a thicker skin.
I try to not make judgements on people based on stereotype, or race, or culture, or gender.
Oh...The only stereotypes I deal with in real life are stereotypes associated with wearing the color black a lot. People like to assume that if you wear a lot of black, you are emo, or goth. It doesn't help that I am very fond of the comfort that Tripp Pants offer...they are really comfortable to wear.
That a pair of pants is enough to earn you a bad Stigma...is enough to make you want to not care about stereotype at all. If people are really that stupid...what point is trying to open thier mind?
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:14 pm
@Sangu: The athiest business? I feel your pain. And having alternate political opinions not held by a lot of the community doesn't help. I don't even tell people what they are anymore, because there's too much prejudice or 'hey, that's wrong, you must be some kind of evil punk who straps bombs to themselves and assaults police' kind of s**t. I may as well be holding a giant sign over myself that says "CONVERT ME PLEASE! I AM GODLESS AND MISGUIDED!"
Not all stereotypes are race or ideals, of course. What about jobs, as well? Age groups? Stereotypes have their purpose, of course, but they also create a lot of hate in our communities...
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:17 am
I wouldn't be caught dead wearing these 'tripp' pants, but that's more an issue with the brand and manufacturing than the style. I wear bondage trousers all the time, but I'm a goth label snob. I won't over-pay for cheaply manufactured american shite.
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