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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:22 pm
I think Macbeth was pushed into everything that happened. All the murder and betrayal that happened was all Lady Macbeth's fault. scream
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:43 am
Yeah. I mean, it's a fairly complex issue, and I guess we could all go into lengthy debate, but in the end... *deep breath*
I think, while he was definitely complicit in the underhanded deeds, he did so under the influence of the three witches and at the strong encouragement of his wife, so I see him as both a victim and a villain. He was led (and pushed) into doing wrong, but he was aware that the things he did were wrong, and he did them anyway.
Whew! Well, that's my two cents.
=^__^= Anneko
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:11 pm
yeah I guess you are right but I just feel really bad for him. Is that wrong? Plus Lady Macbeth sort of made him into what he is, then I get mad at her because then she regrets all of it. What a witch!! scream
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:01 am
lunalovegood28 yeah I guess you are right but I just feel really bad for him. Is that wrong? Not at all. I think one of the things that make Shakespeare such a great writer is his ability to craft sympathetic villains. =^__^= Anneko
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:13 pm
  I still think he was at fault. He had a choice in the matter of killing Duncan.. he could have ignored Lady MacBeth but he didn't. After he killed the king he became consumed in power and in my opinion was the epitome of <>!! The witch's prophecies were tempting, but look at Banquo... he didn't act on what they said about his family (sort of like Horatio's motto: "Heaven will direct it".)
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:15 am
Pushed by the good lady,definately...but victim,no...He needed to grow a pair.
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:28 pm
Then one must also consider fate. Might his deed have become realized even if the bloke didn't listen to the ninnies? It seems to me that in the end he might not have had a say in the matter.
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:51 pm
MacBeth was a victim of the forces in his life as we all are victims. However the actions we take are ours. Then we become the force to change someone else's life or end it. Its like drops of water (or blood) flowing on, eroding, and changing things in its path. Who was responsible for the very first drop?
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:13 pm
Macbeth himself realizes at the beginning of the play that, "If chance will have me king, why, chance may crown me without my stir" (1.3). While Lady Macbeth and the witches may have pushed Macbeth to kill Duncan (and others), he still made his own choice and ultimately had to deal with the consequences.
Also, even before spoke to Lady Macbeth, he seemed to be worried about his temptations, as he spoke with the king saying aside, "stars, hide your fires, let not light see my black and deep desire; the eye wink at the hand; yet let that be which the eye fears, when it is done, to see" (1.4).
I don't see Macbeth as a victim of Lady Macbeth or supernatural forces. In the end of the play, while Lady Macbeth is faced with her conscience, Macbeth demonstrates a terrifying sociopathic world view and a total lack of morality, a realization of aspects of his psyche that are hinted at earlier in the play. In his 'is this a dagger I see before me' speech Macbeth demonstrates a possible lack of a grasp of reality as well as a very dark vision of the world in which it is taken over by the forces of evil.
For those who claim that the witches prophecy forced him into action, his prophecy was not the blatant horrifying fate that Oedipus, for example, found himself cursed with. Macbeth chose his own course which brought the prophecy to life in a terrifying and bloody way. But it was his choice, and his doing.
Finally, for those who say that Macbeth's fall from grace was his wife's doing- as mentioned above he was thinking about it before he even spoke with her. Also, Macbeth was a hero, a noblemen returning from battle. While Shakespeare appeared to have fun playing with gender roles in the play, Macbeth had a background with enough power that he could have gone against his wife if he wanted to. Also, beneath his chivalrous, loyal facade time proved him to be an even greater coveter of power than his wife.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:53 am
Macbeth was psychotic. I dont think that makes him a victim though.
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