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 Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:56 pm
Well, as everyone who read all the captain stuff would know, I talked about getting up a "Council" of sorts. Something to get ideas made, issues addressed, and people involved.
This is gonna be the discussion thread on how it's going to be set up.
Now, the purpose of this is to put in place a number of individuals whose "job" is to bring up pertinent topics, deliberate over possible solutions, complications, and other related issues to the topics, and then show them to the guild at large for everyone's deliberation.
Also, I'd like this to be a fairly rapidly changing group of individuals... something that everyone will get in on at one point or another.
With that being said, I'd like to hear from you all on what you would like to see... How are people going to be chosen for it? How long will they staff it? Will there be term limits? How many people will staff it? Etc. I want to hear what you have to say!
I'm thinking something like... a couple-day election, top candidates get the spot. Maybe... 7 people... they run it for about a month, then elections take place again... a term limit of 2 consecutive months; one month of downtime and they can run again...
Also, about the running... how do you think things should go with it? For example, I'm thinking that every week, they bring up the "list" of topics to be deliberated... Should that be a longer period of time? Shorter? Should everyone in the council just be a "council member" or should there be a "chair(wo)man" delegating tasks? Maybe other topic dependent positions (like there's a "human rights" group in the UN... it might be completely worthless there, but hopefully a mirror here wouldn't be) should be thrown in?
Oh, and just a hint, if you wanna get involved, since it probably will be an election, you might wanna get into things here... it'll make you look good for said elections! ^_^
That's everything for this, for now... n_n
~Sibby
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:15 am
Damn, I just managed to delete my whole post crying So, again.
I think that having elections for council monthly may be too often. It actually depends on what the exact rights and responsibilities of council members will be - if they have decisive power than it would be messy if one council agrees on something, and a bit later another council decides on the exact opposite. But if the council is just for pre-discussing what then the whole guild discusses (?) then it might be fine. Term limits = good.
Also, issues should be discussed when they come up, or? It seems senseless to force people to comply a list every week even when there really aren't any problems & stuff around at the moment.
7 seems a good number. It definetly needs to be odd, to avoid those pesky 50-50 situations ninja
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:51 am
 Also, SinSin thinks there should be a limit on the number of times you should be alowed to run for the ellections.
Or maby something like you can onley run 2 times in a row then you cant run again for the next 5 times.
I think it would create more diversity in the grupe and provent the same people from being on it every time.
And mees has a question, Would they be crewed and this would happen away in a locked form or would we create another guild make it private and have onley them join and leave when there term is up? I could create the guild if nead be, and a snassy advisory councilhomepage xD;;
As well as that, 7 people sounds best :3 Or 9....But sin is very parshil to numbers of power...>.>;
Mebh 2 munths of ontime, because sometimes this guild is very slow for munths on end, and that would probley be about the span of two games, so the council can be on for when the game is going and the guild is more active and the lul inbetween.
Just a thought...
Elections should probley take place like GM elections, people PM there ancers to questions to somewhone who is holding the elections, the ancers latter get posted after a deadline has passed, the guild votes, and the top 7 are elected.
As for a time frame for this, On Sunday afternoon it is posted that the Questions are dew Wendsday at midnight. Thursday Afternoon the Questions are posted and people have till the falowing Sunday at midnight to vote.
Satterday afternoon the winners are anounced and do there duties for exatley 62 days and then the election prosses comences again.
I say we count the days to make it 100% fair, because some munths are afue days longer then others, and though it isent much, it gives an equil time in office and cuts down on whining just a wee bit.
And If you nead a counter if you chuse my method, Sin volenteers. But a crew member should probley host the axual election, or sin would volenteer to do that too.
(>.>; If i dident make sence i apoligise, I have a migrane....and sun glasses >.>; )
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:53 pm
Letsee...
I don't see the Council having any inherent decision making power; they only bring up topics, issues, problems, solutions... etc. and then they think of possible "additions" to said things, like complications for problems, consequences of a particular solution... etc.
They can state their favor for one or the other, but I don't see them making the decisions... (unless for some reason you all want them to be able to... but the crew will have the authority to shut anything down that won't work... and crew will probably be responsible for implementing the vast majority of the ideas... I mean, anything that can be done without mod powers can be done by them... but anything that needs a crew member, will be done by crew)... And I guess that leads to the fact that the Council will NOT be crewed.
And basically, yes, they're going to prediscuss, but also brainstorm about things... I mean, if a week isn't long enough, it could be done as a 2-week period... but I really would like something "often"... that even if there aren't any problems, they should be there brainstorming about future improvements, events, etc. At it's heart, the council is supposed to alleviate our "slow" periods, by keeping at least one group of people semi-active, but also in the bringing up and using of ideas generated to increase the guild's involvement as a whole...
And I'm thinking that they'll just get this subforum (they can look at the suggestions as well... ^_^), and it won't be hidden. I'd really like to see this as an "open" venture, where everyone can see what goes on, and even input if the Council wants their input in places... (they can have threads that where if other people post, they get BANHAMMERED! BWHAHAHA!... Kidding... but if someone posts in a thread only for the Council, it'll just be a warning or something...)
And if a month isn't long enough, 2 could work... but as I said before, i'd really like the Council to be in an almost constant state of upheaval... the change, I think, would keep things interesting, and ideas flowing...
And I don't think allowing each member to "only" run for a total of 2 "sessions" will work... we'll run out of members! Even 2 on, 5 off, I think is kinda extreme... Something that just knocks everyone out periodically, then lets them join soon after if they get elected again, I think would suffice... Like I said, I like the 2 on, 1 off... but if you all want, that can be changed... o.o
And really, I don't think that people are going to get into a tiff over a precise number of days... doing it by weeks, or months preferably, makes things easy... o_o But, if that's a problem, I guess it could be done by days...
And Sin... er... I don't remember any official question/answer things in the GM election, and I'm failing to draw the... way you're suggesting to run it? o_o
Anyways, the elections are still a little ways off... I'm not really sure when I'll start 'em... but if you could rephrase what you said, maybe I'll get it? o_o( )
And I want to hear more ideas! Where is everyone?! ._.
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:33 pm
Atleast when I used to run, there was a breaf few questions i rember happning, like what you would do with the game along with the update. I was just using it as a voting parralell though.
I was just proposing that I could help, iff you neaded it, because I know i have a massive lack of life.
Dident mean to seem pusshie, or rude or whatever. It wasent my placeto get involved. sorry.
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:20 pm
A Dragonflys Sin Atleast when I used to run, there was a breaf few questions i rember happning, like what you would do with the game along with the update. I was just using it as a voting parralell though.
I was just proposing that I could help, iff you neaded it, because I know i have a massive lack of life.
Dident mean to seem pusshie, or rude or whatever. It wasent my placeto get involved. sorry. Y'know... I know I should have replied earlier to this... 1. "Getting involved" is a good thing. Period. ^_^ 2. I REALLY feel like an idiot... for some reason, I saw "GM", typed "GM, but thought "mod election". And poof went my parallels of thinking... x_x Also, for this, I'd rather myself/crew run this one... And, I guess I should start this soon... but I'm debating whether to run this, or something else that needs to be done... not sure which should come first... so I've procrastinated... x_x Anyways, SOMETHING is gonna happen soon... Preferably before the end of this month (<1 week).
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:07 pm
 En memoriam...
I don't really know what discussion you expect here. They won't have crew power right, and decisions aren't theirs they're crew. So basically it's just... elected... suggesters.... rofl
...Northern Illinois University 2008
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:50 pm
 Imma copy-paste what i said in the crew discussion thread about this council...
Perhaps we could solve two questions with one answer.
That council of yours, perhaps it could be used to nominate/select/elect/whatever the additional crew member, or to decide if we even need an extra one.
Maybe we could even throw in a third duty there and hand them the duty of organizing guild events? Not games, but things like anniversaries, parties, holiday events, etc. Things that usually get done, it would be nice to have done, but are a little trivial for crew to be putting all of their manpower into.
They could also bring up primary debate about new rules/amendments of existing rules/etc. Kind of like a city council. They're not exactly the police (mods), they most definitely aren't the mayor (captain), but they do have a purpose and important jobs to carry out.
Also, i admit to being the one to mention the council possibly nominating the new crew. Hate at the Toast not at the Sib-o-meter, see right there? -points- i suggested it.☼ ìn my sσƒt sεrvε drεαms... 
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:59 pm
Heart Shaped Toastie Imma copy-paste what i said in the crew discussion thread about this council...
Perhaps we could solve two questions with one answer.
That council of yours, perhaps it could be used to nominate/select/elect/whatever the additional crew member, or to decide if we even need an extra one.
Maybe we could even throw in a third duty there and hand them the duty of organizing guild events? Not games, but things like anniversaries, parties, holiday events, etc. Things that usually get done, it would be nice to have done, but are a little trivial for crew to be putting all of their manpower into.
They could also bring up primary debate about new rules/amendments of existing rules/etc. Kind of like a city council. They're not exactly the police (mods), they most definitely aren't the mayor (captain), but they do have a purpose and important jobs to carry out.
Also, i admit to being the one to mention the council possibly nominating the new crew. Hate at the Toast not at the Sib-o-meter, see right there? -points- i suggested it.☼ ìn my sσƒt sεrvε drεαms...
I don't like 2/3 of those.
I am against the crew choosing, and against the event organizing. Events have been organized by regular users, no reason to make it an elected position.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:48 pm
See here i was, thinking they'd be acting pretty much like a social committee, bringing things to the attention of the crew and organizing events and the like. True, events HAVE been made by other users before, but what if two people organize an event for the same holiday? Or everyone expects everyone else to do it instead. Maybe it could be a thing like... if you want to organize an event, approach the committee and tell them, otherwise they'll do it sort of deal?
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:29 pm
I personally feel the really useful thing a committee could do is be a sounding board for the crew to try out ideas on before instituting them. Example: Crew thinks "Oh we need a spam forum! *asks council*"
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:03 pm
With our guild as small as it is right now instead of an advisory committee maybe there could be something more like monthly "guild hall meetings" or a suggestion thread that has a time deadline for opinions, like 2-3 days max and going from there. It would be made as obvious as possible so as to be really hard to miss. And if they did miss it, they need to pay more attention to things going on around them.
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:09 pm
Actually, i think i like Insom's idea better than the entire advisory committee. That way, if someone wanted to run an event, they could suggest it in the thread and others could volunteer to help from there, etc. Also we wouldn't have to be bothered with any election processes during which nothing would get done, you know?
If not a thread, maybe we could even head in another direction and get more official/american/nationstates with the whole thing. Like users would have to create a petition to get rules amended/changed and if they got enough votes/signatures in the thread, they could present it to crew and crew could discuss/vote on the matter and then present their verdict to the guild and make any changes necessary afterwards.
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:23 pm
Y'know, I think Insom's got a good idea. Monthly meetings would do about the same thing, they'd let me off without having to run elections, and would include everyone. And setting it up would be much easier than running the council. And there wouldn't be any issues of inactivities on the thing.
I'm leaning towards this instead, and just nixing the "council idea" at least for the forseeable future.
Any more inputs? o_o
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