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 Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:35 pm
This is the same topic i posted in ED, and i feel its the way to run this country, as well as the world.
Please, give this serious thought and debate on this, because i feel that this is the right way to run this country.
For some time I have had this theory that we should start from scratch. Gather up a group of people who are colorblind and as free of hate and prejudices as possible and say, All right, folks, here it is:
---We are going to wash everything clean and begin anew.
---We will create a simple, easily understood system of laws.
---We will live by the letter of these laws.
---We will enforce these laws equally, to the letter!
Those of you who feel you can live in a society that eradicates prejudices, hatred, hunger, bad housing, bad laws, and will not tolerate crime, please stay. Those of you who don't feel you could live under such a system ---get the hell out!
As advocates and supporters of this philosophy, we believe:
That freedom, like respect, is earned and must be constantly nurtured and protected from those who would take it away.
In the right of every law-abiding citizen to protect his or her life, liberty, and personal property by any means at hand without fear of arrest, criminal prosecution, or law-suit. The right to bear arms is central to maintaining true personal freedom.
That liberal politicians, theorists, and socialists are the greatest threat to freedom- loving Americans and that their misguided efforts have caused grave injustices in the fields of criminal law, education, and public welfare: Therefore in respect to criminal law:
An effective criminal justice system should be guided by these basic tenets:
--Our courts must stop pampering criminals
--The punishment must fit the crime
--Justice must be fair but also be swift and, if necessary, harsh
--There is no perfect society only a fair one
Therefore in respect to education:
Education is the key to solving problems in the society and the lack of it is the ROOT CAUSE of America's decline.
An effective system of Education:
--Must stress hard discipline along with arts, sciences, fine music, and basic
skills in reading, writing, and mathematics
--Must teach fairness and respect
--Must teach morals, the dignity of labor, and the value of family
Therefore in respect to welfare:
Welfare (we prefer workfare) is reserved only for the elderly, infirm, and those who need a temporary helping hand and the welfare system must also:
--Instill the concept of honest work for honest pay
--Instill the concept that everyone who can work must work and be forced
to work if necessary
--Instill the concept that there is no free lunch and that being productive
citizens in a free society is the only honorable path to take
That racial prejudice and bigotry are intolerable in a free and vital society
--No one is worthy of respect simply because of the color of their skin.
--Respect is earned by actions and by deeds, not by birthright.
--There are only two types of people on earth, decent and indecent.
Those who are decent will flourish, and those who are not will perish.
--No laws laid down by a body of government can make one person like
another.
A free and just society must be protected at all costs even if it means shedding the blood of its citizens. The willingness of citizens to lay down their lives for the blief in freedom is a cornerstone of true democracy; without that willingness the structure of society will surely crumble and fall into the ashes of history.
Therefore:
--Along with the inalienable rights to bear arms, and the inalienable rights
to personal protection, a strong skilled, and well-equipped military is
essential to maintaining a free society.
--A strong military eliminates the need for "allies," allowing the society
to focus on the needs of its citizens.
--The business of citizens is not the business of the world unless the
rights of the citizens are infringed upon by outside forces.
--The duty of those who live in a free society is clear, personal freedom
is not negotiable.
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:18 am
*Note*
I'm aware some of my argument pertains to a different situation than what you are talking about, namely the idea of American government and my hypothetical Novos run world government. Got carried away, my bad. It's just in the first paragraph. The rest should be pertinent.
I really don't know where to start. First off, we don't have the luxury of saying "get the hell out". We're looking at things from a global scale and when maintaining governance over the entire planet, we'd be betraying our role as a government by not caring equally for certain peoples. Not to mention there's no such thing as a perfect system to determine who belongs in society. Some thieves are driven by greed, some by mental illness, some by noble causes such as protest through civil disobedience, and some in bad situations simply steal out of personal need. Who's going to determine rather a person is decent or indecent a million times over with flawless accuracy?
Not to mention, harsh law enforcement is the breeding ground of discontent. I'll speed occasionally, I've even ran a few stop signs when no one was around. Such laws are in effect to preserve the safety of others around you, if there's no one around, there's little need to obey them to a dime. At least that's the logic of the average driver. If you still got a ticket every time though (caught with cameras probably, enforcing all laws equally ya know?) you'd become rather angry at the oppressive and invasive government's lack of human understanding. Though you could implement subsections to the law to create an artificial understanding and quell discontent (recommended speed limit allows for plus or minus 10mph, if no one's within sight at a stop sign rolling stops are permitted) your law system would suddenly become much more complex. Not to mention judges aren't perfect.
Hard work isn't honorable, honest work is. Family values stand to permeate bigotry and bias through generations, there's no screening process for parenthood as you're probably well aware and because of that, bad parents will always raise bad kids. We don't necessarily need closely knit families, we need effective child rearing. Only through that can we raise an intelligent and morally aware society.
Citizens will be willing to lay their lives down for the country if they believe in it. If they're happy and faced with an imminent threat they'll fight to preserve their way of life. Democracies that have fallen have long before any need for military action set in motion their own demise. A even without enemies democracies lacking in troops would fall through their own corruption eventually.
Regardless, a military must only be equipped better than its enemies. Anymore and it will make everyone nervous, even the people it's supposed to protect.
The right to bear arms is inalienable only when the citizens are able to use them with only good intent. Should an inner city neighborhood with a long history of gang violence have unrestricted access to the finest in military assault weapons?
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:05 pm
Defunct makes many fine points but I still feel there is even more to be said in regards to your theory. jin_takahashi ---We are going to wash everything clean and begin anew. Those are some rather violent sounding words don't you think? As far as I understand things, Novos is about peaceful global unification. I don't think world conquest is on the docket. jin_takahashi In the right of every law-abiding citizen to protect his or her life, liberty, and personal property by any means at hand without fear of arrest, criminal prosecution, or law-suit. The right to bear arms is central to maintaining true personal freedom. As for this, I'm not sure I understand. It sounds like you are saying that if a man claims he acted in self-defence we should just believe him and let him go on his merry way. And if that is the case, I cannot disagree strenuously enough. Investigations should always be launched into this sort of thing. Appearances are decieving, and people lie. jin_takahashi That liberal politicians, theorists, and socialists are the greatest threat to freedom- loving Americans... Are you ready for this, because this is going to be a first. Ready? Here it comes... eek That's right, your words have caused me to make use of the dreaded emoticon. You might as well be the poster boy of the Cold War, or the Red Scare, going around saying things like that. Demonizing opposing political ideologies is the calling card of almost every established, entrenched, and most importantly corrupt power group in history. Our goal here is to get rid of corruption and the entrenched systems, not go back to "the good old days". jin_takahashi Education is the key to solving problems in the society and the lack of it is the ROOT CAUSE of America's decline. An effective system of Education: --Must stress hard discipline along with arts, sciences, fine music, and basic skills in reading, writing, and mathematics --Must teach fairness and respect --Must teach morals, the dignity of labor, and the value of family Has anyone ever told you that you use alot of glittering generalities? Let me explain. In classical rhetorical strategies, there are many commonly used logical falacies. The one you use most is the "glittering generality". What that means is that you spit out alot of positive sounding words and phrases like, "we must teach morals," or "we must teach fairness and respect,". However, these phrases mean alot of different things to different people. My idea of respect might not be (and probably isn't) the same as yours, Defunct's, Smith's or Zorya's. But damn if it doesn't sound good to say "We need to teach our children morals!" I mean who the hell could disagree with that? jin_takahashi --Instill the concept that everyone who can work must work and be forced to work if necessary --Instill the concept that there is no free lunch and that being productive citizens in a free society is the only honorable path to take You've probably never read a whole lot by Henry David Thoreau, have you? Well, even if you have, you probably didn't like it. The point I'm trying to make while sounding all scholarly and well read is this. Work is an admirable thing, but excess work is not. If I can work just enough to support my love of music, and keep myself comfortable, am I not leading a worthwhile existence? I may not be fully applying my intelligence and skills to the betterment of society, but I'm damn sure leading a happy life by my own standards. I have a feeling that I won't be able to convince you on this point, and I'm not even really trying to, but it is something for you to think about. jin_takahashi --A strong military eliminates the need for "allies," allowing the society to focus on the needs of its citizens. I've kind of gotten of track in my last couple of points, delving into abstract principles more than the concrete aspects of your post, so let me say it one more time. Novos is about unification. The system of seperate nations all looking out for their own interests does not work, and is literally tearing our world apart. So yes, we need allies. We need alot of allies.
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:10 am
My skimming and summary powers are ... dead.
So ... I'm not sure how to provide a legimate response and I feel that the following people probably have said something along the lines to a very interesting debate that I approve of.
Though ... one subject needs to be touched.
As a world traveler. The word American is becoming more and more a sort of .. twitching cuss word fueled by an angered passion that is quite scary. So ... although I know about 90% or more of the members are American, it'd be best, like I'm sure you've all said, to focus on a global scale, though in some countries America is considered the root of all evil and should be either worked on first "cleansed" or burn to the ground.
I think that's highly irrational, and I do hope you all think that burning your own country to the ground is a bit drastic (Unless you don't come from America, then, well ... bleh, you and your passport that might allow you to go to Cuba), evenly spread procedures are necessary. If you're confused and hungry like I am at the moment ...
Think of the world as a gigantic frozen turkey. First, you must thaw it, which ... trust me ... it's a bit too thawed as it is, then you must pay attention to every part, not just the legs, etc. Even the a** of the world/turkey must be taken care of, because you know someone's going to eat it. Though ...do turkeys have butts?
Anyways ... where was I? Oh right ... anything really issued toward the benefit of America is received with bombs, flames, mobs, and miscellaneous garbage from a not so nice chunk of the population.
You think I'm exagerrating? Oh contrare, go to France, and scream
"Viva la America!" in the worst French accent you can muster.
If you're not dead or beaten to death within a few minutes ...
Feel free to tell us how it went.
We say racism is a crime and is a horrible offence we must and have omitted from our minds ... but frankly, there's a biased b***h in all of us.
And it's just a bit extreme.
Though ... if you want American hospitality, go to a Tasmanian high school, and most people love America to pieces, although they've never been there.
America to some Tasmanian children = The O.C., bigs malls, tons of money, and prep paradise.
Off topic I know, but I'm terribly busy of late, and thought you'd all like to know that bit o' brain food. Also, no offense was generated to any portion of the world, feel free to send all angered criticism to my ocean front property in Arizona.
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:45 pm
[V]ash the [S]tampede ---We are going to wash everything clean and begin anew. ---We will create a simple, easily understood system of laws. ---We will live by the letter of these laws. ---We will enforce these laws equally, to the letter! Those of you who feel you can live in a society that eradicates prejudices, hatred, hunger, bad housing, bad laws, and will not tolerate crime, please stay. Those of you who don't feel you could live under such a system ---get the hell out! As advocates and supporters of this philosophy, we believe: That freedom, like respect, is earned and must be constantly nurtured and protected from those who would take it away. In the right of every law-abiding citizen to protect his or her life, liberty, and personal property by any means at hand without fear of arrest, criminal prosecution, or law-suit. The right to bear arms is central to maintaining true personal freedom. That liberal politicians, theorists, and socialists are the greatest threat to freedom- loving Americans and that their misguided efforts have caused grave injustices in the fields of criminal law, education, and public welfare: Therefore in respect to criminal law: An effective criminal justice system should be guided by these basic tenets: --Our courts must stop pampering criminals --The punishment must fit the crime --Justice must be fair but also be swift and, if necessary, harsh --There is no perfect society only a fair one Therefore in respect to education: Education is the key to solving problems in the society and the lack of it is the ROOT CAUSE of America's decline. An effective system of Education: --Must stress hard discipline along with arts, sciences, fine music, and basic skills in reading, writing, and mathematics --Must teach fairness and respect --Must teach morals, the dignity of labor, and the value of family Therefore in respect to welfare: Welfare (we prefer workfare) is reserved only for the elderly, infirm, and those who need a temporary helping hand and the welfare system must also: --Instill the concept of honest work for honest pay --Instill the concept that everyone who can work must work and be forced to work if necessary --Instill the concept that there is no free lunch and that being productive citizens in a free society is the only honorable path to take That racial prejudice and bigotry are intolerable in a free and vital society --No one is worthy of respect simply because of the color of their skin. --Respect is earned by actions and by deeds, not by birthright. --There are only two types of people on earth, decent and indecent. Those who are decent will flourish, and those who are not will perish. --No laws laid down by a body of government can make one person like another. A free and just society must be protected at all costs even if it means shedding the blood of its citizens. The willingness of citizens to lay down their lives for the blief in freedom is a cornerstone of true democracy; without that willingness the structure of society will surely crumble and fall into the ashes of history. Therefore: --Along with the inalienable rights to bear arms, and the inalienable rights to personal protection, a strong skilled, and well-equipped military is essential to maintaining a free society. --A strong military eliminates the need for "allies," allowing the society to focus on the needs of its citizens. --The business of citizens is not the business of the world unless the rights of the citizens are infringed upon by outside forces. --The duty of those who live in a free society is clear, personal freedom is not negotiable. Ok. Just by skimming this this is what my opinion is. Your dream is nice. However, wiping out prejudice will not happen entirely because you can't control the way people think. Tolerance should be first and then acceptance comes next naturally. Teach about acceptance first. Also, the justice system is a good ideal yet there is also the issue again of you can't control the way people think. Everyone thinks differently.
Also, the military. If I were a leader of this country I would do what Sweden does and just remain neutral and not have any enemies or allies thus possibly eliminating the threat of invasion. If this country were to remain humble and not over advertise itself as a great nation then there would be few problems. Be careful of your word choice though. It's very hostile and slightly disconcerting.
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:13 pm
First, that was only one person who, as you may see, was put in his place.
A year or two ago there were talks of world domination started by Flip of Darkstar (that was back when our name was Darkstar). To clear this up, we do not believe that would domination is the solution to its problems, nor should it be done.
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