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Zher
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:26 pm


Well guys, I wish i had an error. But not even that. Every time I boot to openSUSE 10.3 live disk, and try to install (on a dual booted set-up), it hangs at 24%. when i tried doing it in the past, i had no problem. but that was a different disk. I wouldn't see any errors with the current one tho. sad .

I have it set up as:

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1)the first (should be) /boot
2)the second being half the disc size (ntfs), which winblows is happily installed on
- the other 3 (blue), inside an extended partition-
3) the third (dark blue) being inside an extended partition should be /
4) the next one being linux-swap
5) the last one being /usr

BUT, all i have is that partition layout, with windows on the NTFS, and that is it. i wish i knew what was wrong

oh, and /, /usr, and /boot are ext2. should i go ext 3? (i tried ext 3 also, but it didnt work, sooo.... i dunno)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:27 pm


ext2 for /boot
ext3 for / and /usr

I don't know what your problem is. It's a bit hard to diagnose without an error message. Try burning the disc again, maybe it's just bad media.

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Zher
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:57 pm


alright. i mean, damn an error message would be wonderful... as strange as that sounds. lol
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:17 pm


its fixed. thanks sitwon

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:41 pm


ext2 for boot? there has to be better options for file systems, hell reseirfs would be better (even though it is no longer be devolved due to its creator being imprisoned for killing his wife... rolleyes ). Anyways its personal preference/what you need your computer to do, so out of curiosity what did you format your /home in xfs? xd (jk, xfs is a good file system)
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:49 am


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ext2 for boot? there has to be better options for file systems, hell reseirfs would be better (even though it is no longer be devolved due to its creator being imprisoned for killing his wife... rolleyes ). Anyways its personal preference/what you need your computer to do, so out of curiosity what did you format your /home in xfs? xd (jk, xfs is a good file system)


Your /boot partition should be mounted read-only most of the time anyways and ext2 is a fast, stable, efficient non-journaled filesystem.

ext3 is just ext2 + journal.

I've had two remarkably bad experiences with XFS due to it's delayed allocation. In particular I don't find it suitable for use on anything other than a stable production server with redundant UPS backup systems.

On the other hand, IBM's JFS has performed quite well on my systems. I would recommend JFS as an alternative to ext3 if performance is a real concern.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:13 pm


The big problem with ext3's is the required fsck, currently being bitched about in openSUSE's mailing list, ext3 is great... until you hit the 60 day/boot then out of no where fsck is forced and takes for ever on big partitions if you have a 500 GB partition formatted in ext3 expect your system to take "forever" to boot (When I say "forever" I mean minutes instead of seconds, a 42 second boot time becomes 10 minutes that kind of thing). Now the fsck is important, it is what checks to see if your file systems are clean and in working order. You can't over look reseirfs is old but proven file system, and I recommend it to people who don't want to put up with ext3's fsck time. The thing I have against ext2 is that it is prone to fragmentation, ext3 solved this problem, but if /boot is a separate partition then it wouldn't matter much because as you said it will be read-only most of the time.

Funny I heard good things about xfs

One good thing about ext2 and ext3 is that you can switch back and fourth so if you have a drive that you randomly want to defragment then temporally format it to ext2 and have fun, once your done you can format it back as a ext3 with no damage to your files
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:20 pm


vendion
The big problem with ext3's is the required fsck, currently being bitched about in openSUSE's mailing list, ext3 is great... until you hit the 60 day/boot then out of no where fsck is forced and takes for ever on big partitions if you have a 500 GB partition formatted in ext3 expect your system to take "forever" to boot (When I say "forever" I mean minutes instead of seconds, a 42 second boot time becomes 10 minutes that kind of thing). Now the fsck is important, it is what checks to see if your file systems are clean and in working order. You can't over look reseirfs is old but proven file system, and I recommend it to people who don't want to put up with ext3's fsck time. The thing I have against ext2 is that it is prone to fragmentation, ext3 solved this problem, but if /boot is a separate partition then it wouldn't matter much because as you said it will be read-only most of the time.

Funny I heard good things about xfs

One good thing about ext2 and ext3 is that you can switch back and fourth so if you have a drive that you randomly want to defragment then temporally format it to ext2 and have fun, once your done you can format it back as a ext3 with no damage to your files


Yea, xfs is great and has pretty good performance...until you start having problems.

reiserfs is also great at what it does, but it seems to be optimized for smaller files (like your /etc directory). It doesn't perform as well with larger files (like video files).

jfs has more consistent performance across different scenarios.

fsck checks can be disabled, which might be a good idea for laptops. Desktops should be running fsck every 60 days at the least anyways. I agree the performance of fsck.ext3 leaves a lot to be desired in comparison to fsck.reiserfs, but it's an important task that shouldn't be overlooked. On a server, I'd run it EVERY boot (which should be infrequent enough that it doesn't cause significant down time).

If my laptop suffers a corrupted partition, it's no big deal. If my file server (that holds the backups for my laptop) dies, it's a completely different story.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:30 am


I like the fact that fsck is making sure that my system is good. I use my laptop more then my desktop so I can't afford for something to happen to it like a corrupt partition. To avoid sitting there forever waiting to fsck to run, is just let it run my / on the 60 days, it takes ~30 longer to boot which is no big deal to me. I run my /home manually every so often, its been a while but I think the command is fsck.ext3 -C -p /dev/HDDlabel of course this can only be done to partitions not currently mounted which is why fsck runs before they are mounted during system boot.
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