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 Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:33 pm
'ello again to y'all. (sorry I'm from the southwest USA).
Why is alcohol and eating pork forbidden in Islam?
Alcohol:yes it has a potential to be abused. So do medications, and some of them could be just as deadly as becoming an alcoholic or driving drunk as well as inhibit mental functions. Is that forbidden as well? If substances that alter mental abilities are banned then it would be bad to drink soda pop (it has caffeine in it and is technically a drug) or even painkillers would be wrong to take because it blocks the pain receptors.
Pork: I learned in school that in the reason Jews didn't eat pork (I am taught to not take the bible literally) was not just because they believed that it was "unclean"....but because of the high rates of getting the tapeworm parasite due to inadequate cooking and preserving meat skills.
If a pig rolls around on the ground...it gets dirty. a lot of animals roll around in the dirt. Chickens take dust baths to clean out their feathers....either way, it doesn't matter, because the meat is under the skin, not outside of it.
and so what if it eats garbage? it doesn't matter, because in the end, whatever the creature eats, it is broken up into little tiny molecules that sustain the pig. All organic (and by this I mean something that is alive) things are made up of carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen. That is what is in the muscles of the pig along with other chemicals that are natural to the body.
So why is it wrong to consume either?
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:38 pm
Ratri_Cat
'ello again to y'all. (sorry I'm from the southwest USA).
Why is alcohol and eating pork forbidden in Islam?
Alcohol:yes it has a potential to be abused. So do medications, and some of them could be just as deadly as becoming an alcoholic or driving drunk as well as inhibit mental functions. Is that forbidden as well? If substances that alter mental abilities are banned then it would be bad to drink soda pop (it has caffeine in it and is technically a drug) or even painkillers would be wrong to take because it blocks the pain receptors.
Pork: I learned in school that in the reason Jews didn't eat pork (I am taught to not take the bible literally) was not just because they believed that it was "unclean"....but because of the high rates of getting the tapeworm parasite due to inadequate cooking and preserving meat skills.
If a pig rolls around on the ground...it gets dirty. a lot of animals roll around in the dirt. Chickens take dust baths to clean out their feathers....either way, it doesn't matter, because the meat is under the skin, not outside of it.
and so what if it eats garbage? it doesn't matter, because in the end, whatever the creature eats, it is broken up into little tiny molecules that sustain the pig. All organic (and by this I mean something that is alive) things are made up of carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen. That is what is in the muscles of the pig along with other chemicals that are natural to the body.
So why is it wrong to consume either?Pig meat is unclean! And they eat >>s**t<< And their blood is also unclean, like their meat/fat. And when you eat it, you also get unclean like a pig. It's not much becuz of outside, but inside. And alcohol makes u stupid, and that is haram. Then you don't think like you should.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:16 pm
Zaaki Pig meat is unclean! And they eat >>s**t<< And their blood is also unclean, like their meat/fat. And when you eat it, you also get unclean like a pig. It's not much becuz of outside, but inside.
have you watched a pig while it eats?
stare try working on a farm. They eat all the organic products that aren't fit for human consumption...in other words, they're live garbage disposals...
is it because they don't eat..."normal food" that they are unclean? That's it?
Zaaki And alcohol makes u stupid, and that is haram. Then you don't think like you should.
only if you drink a lot of it.
what about narcotics? painkillers? morphine? those medicines make you topsy-turvy too....so should they be haram as well?
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:53 am
The reason why we cannot eat pigs.Food and drink have direct effect on our health. That is why Islam has prescribed regulations about our food and drink. It lays great emphasis on our physical as well as moral health, because both of these are equally important for a healthy society. The abstention from eating pork is one of the steps taken by Islam to practise hygiene and to attain purity of soul. Islam, for the cultivation of inner faculties, insists upon the cleanliness of body and the purification of soul through Salaat (prayers) Zikr (remembrance of Allah) and other devotional duties. Islam teaches us how to attain the virtues and how to give up bad habits because both good and bad grow in the man according to his upbringing, education and environment. A human being has natural desires: food, sleep and sex being the three primary ones. He has also other natural emotions: sorrow, happiness, love, fear, disgust and avarice etc. Islam doesn't recommend the complete abrogation of these impulses but offers a method of controlling them through religious education and discipline. The prohibition of eating pork in Islam is relevant in this context. There is a saying in English that "a man becomes what he eats." According to physicians and medical experts, pork is a harmful diet. Consumption of swine-flesh creates lowliness in character and destroys moral and spiritual faculties in a man. Body and Soul Body and Soul The life of a man is a compound of body and soul. Anything, which is harmful for the body, hurts the soul as well. Consumption of swine-flesh reduces the feeling of shame and as such the standard of modesty. Those nations, which consume pork habitually, have a low standard of morality with the result that virginity, chastity and bashfulness are becoming a thing of the past in Europe today. The number of unwed mothers is on the increase despite of the use of pills and other contraceptives. According to a report, 60 to 70% of girls in Sweden become mothers before marriage. The formula of "skin to skin is no sin" is taking its toll but there is hardly any feeling of shame or remorse over the end-result. Since the European nations have become addicted to wine and pork, sexual freedom with all its attendant evils has got ingrained in their culture. Consequently, homosexuality has been legalized by the British Parliament. The Holy Qur'an has prohibited the swine-flesh, hence the Muslims would not dare touch it. The Bible has also forbidden swine-flesh, but Christians disregarded this order and started consuming it. The Europeans now proclaim that pork is a very powerful diet, rich in protein. Some of them further argue that since there is a great scarcity of food-stuff in the world and swines are available in abundant quantity, they should be consumed in the diet to overcome the food shortage. If this argument is true, why don't they use dog's meat as dogs too are available in abundance? The Europeans perhaps hate the mere mention of dog's meat in the same way as the Muslims shun pork. Another wrong notion about swine-flesh is that its consumption lengthens life-span, although this is a pure myth and absurdity. On the contrary, people, who abstain from pork and liquor, have a longer span of life. The Muslims in Central Asia bear a testimony to this truth. However, in the consumption of flesh Muslims are required to be selective and to distinguish between Halaal (Lawful) and Haraam (Unlawful). This step leads automatically to the deeper understanding of the need for the cultivation of a pure human nature. As blood is virtually our life-stream and whatever we consume ultimately affects the blood system, it is, therefore, necessary to exercise choice in the selection of our food and drinks as part of the requirements of the Shariah. There are certain food and drinks specified by Allah, and His Messenger Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as forbidden. The prohibition of these food and drinks is not by any means an arbitrary action or an unwarranted decree of Allah. It is the first and foremost a divine intervention in the best interest of man and for his own benefit. The reasons behind the Divine intervention are numerous. They are of a nature intellectual and spiritual, moral and mental, physical and economic. And the sole purpose is to show man how to develop himself according to an upright course of life in order to be a healthy unit in the structure of the family, then of society and eventually of humanity at large. Reliable medical doctors and social scientists are able to realize how those food and drinks forbidden by Islam are harmful and destructive to the human spirit and morality as well as to the physique and moral fibre of man and to verify the benefits of Islamic legislations on the subjects. The prohibition is based on the aim of the purification of one's nature, because food, when consumed, doesn't merely enter the stomach and intestines and become excreta. It is absorbed and metabolized into the system and circulated to all parts of the human body, including the brain, and this in no small way affects man's nature. Take a look at the nature of the pig for example. The pig is naturally lazy and indulgent in sex, it is dirty, greedy and gluttonous. It dislikes sunlight and lacks the spirit and will to "fight." It eats almost anything, be it human excreta or anything foul and unwholesome. Amongst all animal flesh, pork is the favoured cradle of harmful germs. Pork also serves as a carrier of diseases to mankind. It is for this reason that its flesh is not suitable for consumption. Some people have argued that the "modern pig" reared in farms is given only clean foods, therefore, its flesh should be consumable. The answer is that you may feed the pig on clean, wholesome food, but you can't change its nature. It is still a pig and will always stay so. A pig is not a plant and you cannot change it by bud-grafting. Medical Reports Medical Reports Dr. E. Kazim. M.D. in his article "Medical aspects of forbidden foods in Islam" (July 1981 issue of Muslim Journal has described diseases carried or caused by the flesh of the swine. He writes: The pig is a scavenger. It is an omnivorous animal. It eats everything. There are many diseases carried from swine to man, particularly parasite infestations. Lately extensive research has been focused on senility-old age is characterized by hardening of inner lining of the blood vessels of the heart, brain etc. a process called atheroselerosis. When a clot forms, it results in coronary thrombosis or a heart attack, cerebral thrombosis or stroke. Different dietary factors are responsible for atheroselerosis. Gross atheroma may be produced in rabbit by feeding it with cholesterol, but when you add lard (derived from hog fat) to the cholesterol, the incidence of atheroma is increased and thus you would produce coronary thrombosis, and myocardial infraction. Besides, lard contains 2800 units of vitamin D per 100 grams and no vitamin A at all. Lately vitamin D has been held responsible for atheroma, by causing increased absorption of calcium in the blood vessels. In human beings, serum cholesterol is not dependent on the intake of cholesterol in the diet, but depends upon the proportion of animal fats in the diet, which elevates the beta-lipo protein level in the blood. Animal fats contain saturated fatty acids and these saturated fatty acids have been found to be as one of the causes of atheroma in man. Medium fat bacon contains 25% proteins and 55% fat. According to medical research, the fat content in pork is more than any other meat (beef, mutton etc.) and it takes longer to digest. Dr. M Jaffer in an article in the Islamic Review (London) of January 1997 issue has listed 16 kinds of harmful germs, which have been discovered in pork in modern researches and the diseases, which could be caused by them. The number of patients suffering from tapeworm disease is the highest in the world among pork eating nations. Other diseases attributed to pigs are caused by tri-chinelia spirates and intestinal worms occupy first place among such nations too. Dr. Glen Shepherd wrote the following on the dangers of eating pork in Washington Post (31 May 1952). "One in six people in USA and Canada have germs in their muscles - trichinosis 8 from eating pork infected with trichina worms. Many people who are infected shows no symptoms. Most of those, who do have, recover slowly. Some die; some are reduced to permanent invalids. All were careless pork caters". He continued "No one is immune from the disease and there is no cure. Neither antibiotics nor drugs or vaccines affect these tiny deadly worms. Preventing infection is the real answer." After reading the statement of Dr. Shepherd, one can realize that there is no real guarantee of safety when eating pork that one would not be affected by trichina worm. That is why modern doctors advise three prohibitions during illness: no liquor, no pork and no smoking. Muslims follow the divine law which is much higher than the medical advice. The Glorious Qur'an says, "So eat of the lawful and good food which Allah has provided for you, and thank the bounty of your Lord if it is Him you serve. He has forbidden for you only carrion and blood and swine-flesh and that which has been immolated in the name of any other than Allah; but he who is driven thereto, neither craving nor transgressing, Lo! then Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (16:114-115) The above is the order from the Creator of the universe and the Supreme Law-Giver. All Muslims are under the obligation to obey it. This is a plain and straightforward answer to those, who usually ask why Muslims abstain from eating pork. Nevertheless, there is no sin, if a Muslims is forced by famine or starvation to eat pork in order to save his life. Resource
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:56 am
The reason why we don't drink alcoholPREVIEW Alcohol is a leading cause of traffic accidents and family disintegration in the United States. Of the 17,126 people killed in alcohol-related crashes in 1996, 3,732 involved drivers with blood-alcohol levels of under .10 percent, according to government statistics. A study done recently states that a small amount of alcohol consumption (2-3 glasses?) has some benefits for the heart. However, its evil far exceeds its good. Another medical study suggests that men who drink can cause birth defects to their babies. Is that so? According to a 10-year German study babies born with fetal alcohol syndrome suffer long-lasting brain damage, though many physical deformities diminsh over time. According to a 1988 study by the American Medical Association (AMA), it has been found that 100,000 deaths and $85.8 billion are linked to the abuse of alcohol, with 25 to 40 percent of hospital beds being occupied by people being treated for complications from alcoholism. This cost is more than that for drugs and tobacco put together. The question is are we prepared to pay this enormous cost? Should all of us share this cost equally? Should there be a tax on alcohol so that the health care costs of alcoholism are paid by its drinkers? Many states have raised the drinking age to 21, hoping to reduce fatalities. Should older people be allowed to drink, while forbidding the young adults? What does Stormin' Normin have to say about Desert Storm and alcohol? Does Allah, the God of all mankind, allow us to drink? Let us first talk about the age barriers and alcohol. O you who believe! Why say you that which you don't do yourself? It is most hateful in the sight of God that you say that which you don't do yourself. (61:2-3) It seems hypocritical for older people to restrict young adults from drinking while they themselves drink. This would be like a thief presiding as a judge at a burglary trial, a criminal acting as a policeman, or a sinner assuming the role of a preacher. The drinking age in most states has been raised to 21, on the grounds that, according to statistical evidence, younger drunken drivers cause more accidents than older ones. A visit to area hospitals can serve as an eye opener. Many patients have been paralyzed due to traffic accidents involving drunken drivers. I personally know of three Muslims who were victims of such accidents and had to be hospitalized. Laws banning or regulating the use of alcohol have accomplished very little. Society must have the will to rid itself from alcohol and its harmful effects. Individuals must practice self-restraint. Adults, in particular, must teach by example and practice what they preach. Prophet Muhammad ( S.A.W.) said: "On the day of judgement a man will be brought and thrown into Hell; as a result of this his intestines will come out of his belly, and he will go circling holding his intestines like a donkey running a mill. His companions in Hell will come to him: 'O! So and So! What is this? Did you not ask people to do good and avoid vice?' He will say: 'That is so. I enjoined others to do good, but did not do it myself; and I forbade them to do evil but did it myself.' (Riyadh-us-Saleheen, Ch.24, No. 19 cool Islam prohibits all intoxicants including wine and beer. This prohibition applies to all places at all times. People who believe in God obey Him and do not drink. Can you imagine Jesus, Moses, Jacob or Abraham getting intoxicated? These pious men were far above such foolishness. They were high and exalted, not by drugs and alcohol, but by their good deeds and noble aims. MEN, ALCOHOL, AND BABIES! June 8, 1991, 6pm news broadcast, reported by Leslie Lyles of local ABC TV...... A research study conducted by a Chicago doctor says that men who drink alcohol can cause birth defects to their babies. The study was done over a 12-year span. Doctors recommend that men avoid drinking alcohol for 2 to 3 months prior to conception. Shouldn't we raise the drinking age to 70 something? Listen, people, to what Allah says in The Quran: " O ye who believe! Strong drinks and games of chance and idols and divining of arrows are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. Leave them aside in order that ye may succeed. Satan seek only to cast among you enmity and hatred by means of strong drinks and games of chance, and turn you from remembrance of Allah and from His worship. So will ye not then abstain?" (5:90-91) Alcohol Syndrome May Result in Long term Brain Damage! Thursday, April 8, 1993, London by Associated Press .......According to a 10-year German study babies born with fetal alcohol syndrome suffer long-lasting brain damage, though many physical deformities diminish over time. Doctors have suspected that fetal alcohol syndrome -- a condition associated with exposure to alcohol in the womb - causes chronic emotional and intellectual damage. But few scientists have traced affected children from birth to adolescence. The new study shows many of the physical deformities disappeared with time, but an array of emotional disturbances persisted, said Dr. Hans-Ludwig Sophr, a pediatrician at Rittberg Hospital of the German Red Cross in Berlin. Fetal alcohol syndrome, which strikes one to two babies in every 1,000 live births worldwide, describes a collection of features including a small head, stunted growth and delayed mental development. Doctors do not know the precise level of alcohol that damages the fetus. The study is being published in the April 10 issue of The Lancet, a medical journal. "This is an important study to document what's been reported anecdotally," said Dr. George Brennaman, a pediatrician at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland. Brennaman is associate director of the Center for American Indian and Alaskan Native Health. Fetal alcohol syndrome is two to three times as common among American Indians compared to the general population. Brennaman said he recommends abstinence during pregnancy. German investigators traced 36 boys and 24 girls born with fetal alcohol syndrome between 1977 and 1979. Doctors examined and scored babies according to the extent of physical and neurological damage shortly after birth and again about 10 years later. "...So will ye not abstain?" $85.8 billion, 100,000 deaths and Alcohol A study by the American Medical Association (198 cool According to a 1988 study by the American Medical Association (AMA), it has been found that 100,000 deaths and $85.8 billion are linked to the abuse of alcohol, with 25 to 40 percent of hospital beds being occupied by people being treated for complications from alcoholism. This cost is more than that for drugs and tobacco put together. The question is are we prepared to pay this enormous cost? Should all of us share this cost equally? Should there be a tax on alcohol so that the health care costs of alcoholism are paid by its drinkers? Would Anheuser-Busch allow you to enact such a law? Would such a tax suddenly become an infringement on your basic right to free speech etc. Personally, I would favor such a law since I do not drink and do not want my tax dollars spent on the care of drunken drivers. The rising cost of health care is arguably this nation's Number ONE problem. Every time you buy an American car, $500 go towards the health care of the the workers. The comparable figure is about $50 for Japan. So for two cars of the same price, you get that much less quality in an American car on the basis of health care alone. (Capacity utilization and the credit crunch cause a greater difference.) So do you and I want to pay for a problem that occupies 25 to 40 of hospital beds? Here is the complete article: CHICAGO (UPI) -- The American Medical Association Monday estimated lifestyle factors and social problems add $171 billion to the nation's health care bill. Dr. Daniel Johnson Jr., speaker of the AMA's House of Delegates, said billions of dollars are spent each year on medical conditions caused by violence, drug abuse, tobacco and alcohol -- all of which could be avoided. An AMA study of statistics from 1988 -- the last year for which statistics are available -- found 500,000 premature deaths annually and $22 billion in health care costs are directly attributable to cigarettes and other uses of tobacco. The study found 100,000 deaths and $85.8 billion linked to abuse of alcohol, with 25 to 40 percent of hospital beds being occupied by people being treated for complications from alcoholism. The AMA estimated drug abuse costs the system $58.3 billion for care, treatment and rehabilitation, as well as for lost productivity and crime enforcement. Street and domestic violence add $5.3 billion to U.S. health costs and are the fastest growing public health problems, Johnson said. The study also examined communicable and sexually transmitted diseases and found medical care for HIV-infected patients alone will total $15.2 billion by 1995. Some 400,000 people die annually as a result of failure to use such things as seat belts and smoke detectors, the study found. Other factors include failure to screen for and treat life-threatening diseases and treatable malignancies, dangerous recreational activities, abuse of addictive substances and engaging in unprotected sex. Other factors in the study include defensive medicine, which cost the system $15.1 billion in 1989. The study found per capita health care costs for those under the age of 65 are 72 percent of the national average, while per capita costs for those 85 and over are 750 percent of the national average. It also found that insurance protects most Americans from the real costs and therefore discourages cost-conscious decisions. ``We've known for years that these factors have been driving health care costs up,'' Johnson said. ``We cannot successfully resolve our current health care crisis unless we are willing to alter damaging patterns of behavior.'' STORMIN' NORMIN ON BEER June 13, 1991... Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, the commander of allied forces in the Persian Gulf War, told Congress that a lack of alcohol in the Gulf region made his troops better warriors. "Our sick call rate went down, our accident and injury rate went down, our incidents of indiscipline went down, and health of the force went up," the four-star general said. "So there were some very therapeutic outcomes from the fact that no alcohol was available whatsoever in the kingdom." ALCOHOL HERE = tinat al-khabal in the HEREAFTER A man from Yemen once asked the Prophet about a liquor made from millet called mizr which people drank in his country. The Prophet asked whether it was intoxicating and when the man replied in the affirmative, the Prophet(pbuh) said "Every intoxicant is prohibited. Allah has made a covenant regarding those who drink intoxicants to give them some tinat al-khabal to drink." He was asked what that was and he replied that it was the sweat of the inhabitants of hell, or the discharge of the inhabitants of hell. (Muslim) He who drinks alcohol ( wine,liquor or beer) in this world will be made to drink poison from Asawida (black and poisonous snakes) that will cause both the skin and the flesh of his face to fall into the vessel he drinks from. God Almighty shall accept neither the fasting, prayers nor even the pilgrimage of the one who drinks, brews, sells, or uses money obtained from selling alcohol unless he or she sincerely repents, vowing never to commit that evil again, and Allah accepts his or her repentance. Otherwise, that person will be made to drink the pus of Hell for every single drop of alcohol he or she had imbibed in this world. Abdullah bin Umar related that the Prophet(pbuh) said: "Do not sit together with drinkers, nor visit them when they are sick. Do not even attend their funerals. The drinkers of alcohol shall come on the Last Day with black faces, their tongues leaning on one side and sliva coming out of their mouths. Anyone who sees their filthy appearance will know that they were the drinkers of alcohol." Wa'il al-Hadrami said that Tariq bin Suwaid asked the Prophet(pbuh) about wine and the Prophet(pbuh) forbade him. When Tariq told him that he made it only as a medicine, the Prophet(pbuh) replied, "It is not a medicine but a disease." (Muslim) Jabir reported the Messenger of Allah as saying "If a large amount of anything causes intoxication, a small amount of it is also prohibited." (Tirmidhi, Abu Daud and Ibn Majah) In closing, let us hope that the followers of the prophets of God, be they Muslims, Christians or Jews, will abstain from all intoxicants and find true meaning in their own lives. Resource" Alcohol paralyzes the senses, makes one lurch, and vomit, extinguishes the feeble glimmer of reason which flickers in our poor minds. It soon overcomes the strongest man, and turns him into a raging beast who with purpled face and bloodshot eyes, bellows forth oaths and threats against his surroundings and insults imaginary enemies. Never in any animal species, not among pigs, nor jackals, nor donkeys, is such ignominy to be found. The ugliest thing in creation is the drunkard, a repulsive being, the sight of whom makes one ashamed to belong to the same living species." (Dr Charles Richet, Paris - Nobel Prize Winner of Physiology) " O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling...Are an abomination, - of Satan's handiwork: Shun such (abomination), That ye may prosper." - (Holy Quran 5:93)
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:38 am
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته
ok, the stuff about pork really convinced me. Thank you, Emperor....
now what I'm still iffy about is the alcohol.
I am well aware of the destruction it can cause...i had alcoholics for grandparents...it was terrible. there are many drunk driving incidents where I live.
What I am referring to is if alcohol is consumed in moderation...like not often, and is drunk with the food to enhance the taste, why should that be considered evil?
If it is taken cautiously (not to the point of drunkenness and doing stupid things) and not often, is it still evil?
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:31 pm
Ratri_Cat
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته
ok, the stuff about pork really convinced me. Thank you, Emperor....
now what I'm still iffy about is the alcohol.
I am well aware of the destruction it can cause...i had alcoholics for grandparents...it was terrible. there are many drunk driving incidents where I live.
What I am referring to is if alcohol is consumed in moderation...like not often, and is drunk with the food to enhance the taste, why should that be considered evil?
If it is taken cautiously (not to the point of drunkenness and doing stupid things) and not often, is it still evil?
Basically, wine considered as khamr, means "to hide". Even if you said you can control in the moderate level. It doesn't always happens in the field. Generally people would took another sip, since some wine would never enough, and stop when they're not feeling okay. People who are drunk is, in other words, "mad". They mind doesn't work well and who knows what would the people do. We are talking about the chances, caused by alcohol, better to prevent anything from happening, right? Zero chance is much better then a little chance. Quote: what about narcotics? painkillers? morphine? those medicines make you topsy-turvy too....so should they be haram as well? If you're using this in a recreational term, then it's haram. Note that Islam is not that strict. We are allowed to drink alcohol under some circumstances. And that is, when we got in a condition where we cannot drink water, for many reason. If that's the case, then there is no sin to drink it. Wassalam.
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:17 pm
Emperor of Mistekreuz Ratri_Cat
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته
ok, the stuff about pork really convinced me. Thank you, Emperor....
now what I'm still iffy about is the alcohol.
I am well aware of the destruction it can cause...i had alcoholics for grandparents...it was terrible. there are many drunk driving incidents where I live.
What I am referring to is if alcohol is consumed in moderation...like not often, and is drunk with the food to enhance the taste, why should that be considered evil?
If it is taken cautiously (not to the point of drunkenness and doing stupid things) and not often, is it still evil?
Basically, wine considered as khamr, means "to hide". Even if you said you can control in the moderate level. It doesn't always happens in the field. Generally people would took another sip, since some wine would never enough, and stop when they're not feeling okay. People who are drunk is, in other words, "mad". They mind doesn't work well and who knows what would the people do. We are talking about the chances, caused by alcohol, better to prevent anything from happening, right? Zero chance is much better then a little chance. Quote: what about narcotics? painkillers? morphine? those medicines make you topsy-turvy too....so should they be haram as well? If you're using this in a recreational term, then it's haram. Note that Islam is not that strict. We are allowed to drink alcohol under some circumstances. And that is, when we got in a condition where we cannot drink water, for many reason. If that's the case, then there is no sin to drink it. Wassalam.
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته
but banning it because some people cannot control themselves? that doesn't sound fair. Banning alcohol consumption doesn't reduce the risk of bad stuff happening due to alcohol. People will still try to drink alcohol because it is banned and because you can enjoy it and still live a good and wholesome life too. (there's quite a few muslims over here that do drink on account of this reasoning....)
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:21 pm
Sorry, it's not "some", it's "most of them".
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:29 pm
Emperor of Mistekreuz Sorry, it's not "some", it's "most of them".
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته
que?
what?
no comprende!
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:33 pm
Ratri_Cat Emperor of Mistekreuz Sorry, it's not "some", it's "most of them".
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته
que?
what?
no comprende!You said Islam banned alcohol because of some people, it's not some people, it's most of the people (who drink). Ah, and if you kept persistent about it. Let's just see the previous record of what it has caused (such the article up there). Deaths caused by it is enough to be a reason to ban alcohol drinks.
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:39 pm
Emperor of Mistekreuz Ratri_Cat Emperor of Mistekreuz Sorry, it's not "some", it's "most of them".
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته
que?
what?
no comprende!You said Islam banned alcohol because of some people, it's not some people, it's most of the people (who drink). Ah, and if you kept persistent about it. Let's just see the previous record of what it has caused (such the article up there). Deaths caused by it is enough to be a reason to ban alcohol drinks.
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته
Oh. I thought you were talking about the Muslims that drink sweatdrop sorry. Misunderstood.
Anyhow, the US did try to ban creation and consumption of alcohol...on the same standards: vile, made people do stupid things, and majority of people that drink do stupid things. Let's just say it didn't work too well. But why punish the people who don't abuse the alcohol? If they can handle it and be discrete about it, then what's wrong with that?
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:45 pm
I would say to prevent smile
Actually every single people has a chance to be alcoholic.
You should aware of that. smile
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:26 pm
Islam forbids anything that may spark violence that's why alcoholic beverages are forbidden.
The meat of swines are unclean and even of you have it cleaned with water or subject it to fire, its uncleanliness will never get rid.
Why? Some says that swines used to be human beings but were punished and were transformed into swines.
Didn't you know that based on scientific researches, the DNA of swines (pork) and human beings are a bit similar that they can be considered as our cousins like the chimpanzees.
Intriguing, isn't it?
Islam holds the truth.
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Prof Albus PWB Dumbledore
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:59 pm
Emperor of Mistekreuz I would say to prevent smile Actually every single people has a chance to be alcoholic. You should aware of that. smile
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته
ahhh stupid computer spazzed out on me....
any how....what I was going to say...Banning something to prevent a possible occurrence seems strange to me. Banning the substance doesn't make it foolproof. People are still going to engage in drinking alcohol and living normal lives and some will become alcoholics because they are spurred by such a daring deed by deliberately doing the opposite of what their religion tells them to do.
I agree that people do have the potential to become an alcoholic, a drug addict, a prostitute, a criminal, whatever....the thing is, not everyone will continue that path just because they had a taste of something pleasurable. Some will, and some wont. Banning something for everyone when there are people capable of handling it doesn't seem right to me.
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