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MUSLIMS marrying other person who is not MUSLIM?
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milesan

PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:45 am


My Friend Is a Catholic And Asked Me This Question, What should I Tell Her??
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:52 am


no you can not...


suppose there is person "A" who is muslim and there is other person "B" who is not...

so first "A" has to say "B" to become muslim...

if he/she accepts ISLAM then its good they can marry...



if he/she denies then they can "NOT" marry...

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:12 pm



السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته
I'm Catholic and I'm dating a Pakistani Muslim (there's a pic of us that I edited in my journal xd )
He already proposed to me like...4 times...and this is after his mother told him that she liked me (we had formal introductions). I'm going to meet his dad later this week.

I told him to wait until I graduated and got my Army commission.

For me, I highly respect Islam (although I don't get all the concepts of it) and I see it as one of many paths to God. I'm interested enough to even consider converting, but I'm still praying and thinking about it.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:55 pm


The girl Is A Catholic And He Love A Muslim, They Both Love Each Other...

milesan


Shymeechan

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:15 am


tassan
no you can not...


suppose there is person "A" who is muslim and there is other person "B" who is not...

so first "A" has to say "B" to become muslim...

if he/she accepts ISLAM then its good they can marry...



if he/she denies then they can "NOT" marry...


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    What he said.

    Comayl
    They're really in a tough situation if that's the case.

    I think the only things that they could end up with are:

    1) Stay together, accepted in the Muslim society, given that the girl converted SINCERELY to Islam.
    2) The girl doesn't convert, stay together, not accepted in Islam.
    3) The girl doesn't convert, they break-up.
    4) The guy chooses the girl over Islam (worst case scenario but it happens. :c)

    My friend often asks me "What if you fall really really really hard on a non-Muslim guy, would you leave Islam?"

    My answer's always No. I'd rather be heartbroken than abandon Islam, which means turning your back on Allah (s.w.t.). That's sick. :/ Not to mention, I'll probably be forsaken by my whole clan. xD

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:23 am


thanks shyma

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:45 am


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    HEHE. There's no need to thank me. :')

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:40 am


`sHyMa

1) Stay together, accepted in the Muslim society, given that the girl converted SINCERELY to Islam.

This is a common occurrence.

`sHyMa
2) The girl doesn't convert, stay together, not accepted in Islam.

Actually I do beg to differ, especially if the girl follows the faith of the People of the Book. It has been done before.

`sHyMa
4) The guy chooses the girl over Islam (worst case scenario but it happens. :c)

what you mean the guy abandons Islam all together, converts? That rarely happens...most of the time it is the girl that gives in

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:57 am


The Dead Terrorist Achmed

`sHyMa
2) The girl doesn't convert, stay together, not accepted in Islam.

Actually I do beg to differ, especially if the girl follows the faith of the People of the Book. It has been done before.


will you please explain this thing??
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:28 am


tassan
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`sHyMa
2) The girl doesn't convert, stay together, not accepted in Islam.

Actually I do beg to differ, especially if the girl follows the faith of the People of the Book. It has been done before.


will you please explain this thing??

السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته


*raises hand*
I think I may be able to help with this! I've been doing a lot of research on my own lately!




What M. Haq says

Islam allows a Muslim male to marry a lady, either Christian or Jews – she should not be open polytheist. She is not obliged to convert to Islam for the sake of marriage. She will enjoy all the rights that a Muslim wife avails – proper willful contract, dower, right of nafaqa (sustenance) from husband, right of inheritance (if she gets widowed), and right of separation (khula’) if ever she so wants. And, the Qur’an ordains that wife – a Muslim or Christian – is equal partner to the marriage contract.


No woman who is practices Judaism or Christianity is forced to convert for sake of marriage.


What M. Haq says
We never said that a non-Muslim lady should not convert of she wishes to marry a Muslim man. But we did say that a Christian and a Jew lady may not convert. She (as your case is) may stay what she is and marry the Muslim ‘boy’ of her choice. This is a special privilege that Islam accords to Christianity and Judaism. Do you know why? Because Moses and Jesus and all prophets of the house of Israel and the rest of prophets (peace be on them all) were all Muslims. That we know for sure. Therefore we often request Christian and Jew to come back and embrace the true religion of the prophets. Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) never preached anything different from the past revealed Messages of Allah.


EDIT: here's the source! http://www.jamaat.org/qa/marriage.html


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Shymeechan

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:25 am


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    Oh really?! It's okay for a Muslim man to marry a non-Muslim woman who doesn't convert to Islam?

    That's like the first time I've known such thing. HEHE! All along I thought a Muslim man couldn't marry a non-Muslim woman, unless she converts to Islam.

    All of the marriages I know bet. a non-Muslim woman and a Muslim man took place only because the woman converted to Islam.

    Now, I'm not sure. Dx

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:58 am


`sHyMa
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    ♥ ♥ ♥

    Oh really?! It's okay for a Muslim man to marry a non-Muslim woman who doesn't convert to Islam?

    That's like the first time I've known such thing. HEHE! All along I thought a Muslim man couldn't marry a non-Muslim woman, unless she converts to Islam.

    All of the marriages I know bet. a non-Muslim woman and a Muslim man took place only because the woman converted to Islam.

    Now, I'm not sure. Dx

from what i understand, it's only ok for a Muslim man to marry a non-Muslim woman as long as she is willing to embrace and accept Islam and raise the kids Muslim.

But most marriages end up with the wife converting to Islam because it makes everything go a lot smoother...

....I'm still trying to make up my mind sweatdrop ....My love told me he would never force me to convert or want me to convert for the sake of marriage...
I really like some of the Muslim concepts, and sometimes I'm really quite baffled by them. But then again, it's the same thing for me in Catholicism. I got contact information about the local mosque...hopefully I can find someone to help me with this dilemma....


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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:04 am


i found this interesting verse about why Muslim women shouldn't marry nonmuslim men.

Surah 2:221
And give not (your daughters) in marriage to
Al-Mushrikun till theybelieve in Allah alone and verily a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik, even though he pleases you.


Al-Mushrikun=>Pagans, idolators, polytheist and disbelievers in
the Oneness of Allah and in His messanger Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
Regarding the marriage of Muslim men and nonMuslim women it is allowed, however, with some restrictions.

The Restrictions


1- Non-Muslim women, to whom Muslim men can marry, are
the women from Christian and Jewish religions who are residents
of "Daar-ul-Islam****" nations where Islamic law prevails) and
who are thereby called, "Dhi'mmi" (those who give Jazzia instead
of Zakaat in an Islamic state??), but NOT the residents of "dar
al-kufr" (where the kuffar or non-Islamic rule exist). To these
women, marriage is allowed but is "mukrooh tanzihi." (I can't
translate it properly)

2- With Christian or Jewish women, who are resident of "dar
a-harb"****, the nikah (the marriage contract) will be valid,
but will be a "mukrooh Tahrimi" (worse than tanzihi) situation.
The act which is "mukrooh tarhimi" is so close to "haraam" (not
permissible at all) that it is ALMOST "haraam" and is "na'jaiz"
ie. not legal. The man involved will be responsible for
committing an act which is so close to a state of "sin".
**** Victor Danner describes "Dar al-Islam" as : the
House of Islam, or the Islamic world; the Islamic
community, where submission to the Divine Will reigns;
Opposed to dar- al-harb ( the non-Islamic community)

3- It is required that the women should be practising their
religion at the time of marriage and they are not practically
"Mulhid" (atheist). To any women, who doesn't believe in God,
religion, God's message and doesn't practise any religion at
all, the "nikaah" (marriage) will be INVALID and according to
"shari'ah" (Islamic Law), such a couple is involved in sin.

4- If any Muslim marries a woman from "People of the Books", the
children, by shar'iah (Islamic law) are considered to be Muslim.
For instance, often, in "dar al-harb," the kids adopt the
religion of their mother; and, sometimes, a marriage is arranged
upon agreements between the couples that half of kids will adopt
mother's and the other half will follow father's religion. If a
Muslim man agrees to ANY of such terms accepting the kids to be
raised non-Muslims, the person will be regarded as a "Murtid"
(the one who has denied Islam) because he has allowed his kids
to become "kaafir" who may have been brought up in Islamic
religion. Anyone who willingly and knowingly allows/agrees for
his kids to become "kaafir" is regarded as "kaafir." He is out
of the Islamic circle. If he had any Muslim woman in his
"nikaah" before this marriage, the Muslim woman is free from his
bond (because a Muslim woman can't remain married a
non-Muslim).

5- Since some of our naive Muslim youngmen, living in the West,
get married to the christian women in their countries. And
since, usually, the local courts allow the women to get the
custody of kids and the divorce settlement in their favor, our
youngmen are "khusar al-duniyaa wal'-aakhiraah", means the
wanderer or lost in this world and the Hereafter. Since,
according to sharia'ah, the "al-maa'roof ka'almashrrot", meaning
whatever is prevailing or common practise in the society is
being accepted in a marriage contract. It means a Muslim man,
by getting married under these circumstances in these countries,
is knowingly agreeing that the woman may, in case of divorce,
gets the custody of the kids and is free to raise them
afterwards as she pleases.

6- For all the above stated reasons, in non-Muslim countries, it
is not allowed for Muslim youngmen to marry Christian women. For
the reason #3 (woman not practising a religion), the "nikaah"
isn't even valid. Since the reason #4, leads to "kufr" and he
becomes "murtid", the marriage to any Muslim wife becomes
invalid. The reason #5 is not apllicable, if the local laws do
not usually grant custody to woman or if Muslim man hasn't
agreed to any "kufriaah" terms (such as accepting some kids to
be raised as non-Muslims). "Haaza ma' indee, wal'Allah ilm
bis'swaab."



Marriage with atheists or those that do not believe in religion and God is not allowed in Islam.

for reference, Marriage between Muslims and Nonmuslims
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:42 am


Phew, i diden't c this threat...


A muslim man can marry a non-muslim woman if she's in the relegion of the books(Jews and Christians)

And a muslim woman must not marry a non-muslim... Thats it!

Zaakii


dark__sunshin
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:18 am


as i said before and will say again .. a muslim Male can only get married to ahel al ketab which is rather jewish or christian .. but the Femal Muslim can't get married to ahel al ketab .. coz if they wanna have babies the babies will be like their dad's religion which is rather jewish or christian !!
so ONLY males can get married to non- muslims and they should be from ahel al ketab and it is totally Allowed !


and i agree with Zaaki
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