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 Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:26 am
AoA
I'm sorry to say, though most of that is very interesting, Shaitan, or devil, is not a real person, in the Holy Quran, Shaitan is metaphorically described, but in reality the Shaitan is our free will.
To explain, think about all of the Angels. They don't have the free will to go against Allah's word, yes they have thoughts and feelings towards he's ideas and creations, but they still listen to him. Why would Allah make one Angel who didn't listen to him? Doesn't make any sense does it?
I know it might be hard to understand, because I am not the best writer, but I can assure you that Shaitan is the girt and curse of free will that lives in all of us. The choice to do right and wrong is in the free will, and blessings and sin rely on our choices.
Thank you for reading, and I hope you understand.
Jazakallah.
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:30 am
accdg to what i heard from a preacher, Angels don't have free will. They have perfect will.
shaitan, our free will? eek
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Prof Albus PWB Dumbledore
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:31 am
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته our primitive desires=satan's work?
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:32 am
Prof Albus PWB Dumbledore accdg to what i heard from a preacher, Angels don't have free will. They have perfect will. shaitan, our free will? eek
Exactly.
We have free will, but just like you heard Angels do have perfect will. That was exactly what I was trying to type but I couldn't think of it!
But do you understand the concept I'm trying to say?
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:34 am
Ratri_Cat
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته our primitive desires=satan's work?
No no, "Satan" IS our free will, get it?
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:36 am
Gullaab Prof Albus PWB Dumbledore accdg to what i heard from a preacher, Angels don't have free will. They have perfect will. shaitan, our free will? eek Exactly.
We have free will, but just like you heard Angels do have perfect will. That was exactly what I was trying to type but I couldn't think of it!
But do you understand the concept I'm trying to say? not yet. sorry. but i still can't. i'm banging my head to understand it but the logic does not come in to my mind still. shaitan, our free will?
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Prof Albus PWB Dumbledore
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:39 am
Gullaab Ratri_Cat
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته our primitive desires=satan's work? No no, "Satan" IS our free will, get it?
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته huh? it is another name for free will?
I understood it as an abstract concept of willful human separation from God...
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:42 am
Ratri_Cat
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته huh? it is another name for free will?
you got me again. i'm again lol. rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
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Prof Albus PWB Dumbledore
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:49 am
Prof Albus PWB Dumbledore Ratri_Cat
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته huh? it is another name for free will?
you got me again. i'm again lol. rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته nothing like beginning the day with laughter
xd
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:50 am
Gullaab But do you understand the concept I'm trying to say? i understand you... and yes ANGEL's don't have free... what they are ordered they do it they neither have gender nor desires.... they are free from wills they do not need food or water to survive.... and the STORY OF SHAITAN first things firs when WE(human beings) were created... ALLAH said all of HIS creations (which were already created) to bow "HAZARAT ADAM" and "BIBI HAWA"
all of the creations of ALLAH did except an ANGEL (iblis) who said that he is superior then any other being created by ALLAH so he won't bow any one created of "MUD"
which means he REFUSED ALLAH
so he (iblis) challenged ALLAH that he will lead "HUMAN BEINGS" to wrong path...
ALLAH replied that those who are on the right path to me will never be leaded towards the wrong paths and set him (iblis) free....
so IBLIS from that point BECAME "SHAITAN" to lead us towards wrong path.... thats why he is given free will...
but our free will is to select what we want...
like suppose if we are good MUSLIMS then we can't be distorted towards wrong path
and if we aren't we surely will be leaded towards the wrong path...
huh i hope you get me
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Prof Albus PWB Dumbledore
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:53 am
Ratri_Cat Prof Albus PWB Dumbledore Ratri_Cat
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته huh? it is another name for free will?
you got me again. i'm again lol. rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته nothing like beginning the day with laughter
xd true. i hope i start each of my days with a laugh.
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:25 pm
this is wrong!!!! shaitan is not our free will
Tassan story is true....because iblis was laknat by allah he doesnt want to bow because adam was mad of earth n he was made of fire..which he considered superior....he was sentences to suffered in hell then become become the devil...shaitan...and all his decendant become one...and we also considered evil demon (jin) is one of them
the shaitan promises he will deceived human and take them to hell suffered with them...
their all evil human n shaitan will be tormented
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:09 pm
XeroRyn this is wrong!!!! shaitan is not our free will Tassan story is true....because iblis was laknat by allah he doesnt want to bow because adam was mad of earth n he was made of fire..which he considered superior....he was sentences to suffered in hell then become become the devil...shaitan...and all his decendant become one...and we also considered evil demon (jin) is one of them the shaitan promises he will deceived human and take them to hell suffered with them... their all evil human n shaitan will be tormented jin?? i don't understand there are jin that are holy so you can't blaim them... but yet i m confused over my own story... because if iblis was an angel how ge got a free will?? when angles don't have one?? well that is sure that angles don't have free will i have read it but how iblis had free will to refuse ALLAH??
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:44 pm
because he wasnt suppoesdly...because angel were made o light n he wasmade of fire but definitely he was the leader of all angel
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:59 am
XeroRyn because he wasnt suppoesdly...because angel were made o light n he wasmade of fire but definitely he was the leader of all angel even if he was leader and he was made of fire... the thing is not that... i read that "ANGELS do not have free will" and he is an ANGEL doesn't matter of fire or light or if is leader...!!!
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