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 Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:58 pm
"I have in my hands the means, and in my heart, the will." Do you think that Zeris was a decision by the creators AFTER FFVII?
In other words, if you view FFVII as not having a clear pairing, do you think they added Zack and Aeris' story in CC, to make a definite pairing/love interest for Aeris?
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:12 pm
Good topic. XD
Here are the things we know for sure from the game:
Aeris dated Zack, and she refers to him as her 'first love'
She makes comments about him possibly running away with another girl
We know that Zack in fact dies outside of Midgar, planning on going to see her, but thinking he might not be able to stay there due to her mother's presence
She is shocked to meet his parents and find out that he wrote home to them about one particular girl
Cloud is taking on Zack's persona when Aeris knows him during her life
She appears to have an instant connection with Cloud
From all of that (and probably more things I forgot to mention), we can conclude Aeris must have had some kind of romantic relationship with Zack. She clings to Cloud due to his similarities to Zack, which shows that he had a huge impact on her. Other than that, there's not a whole lot we can say for sure about their relationship.
SE made him want to go to Midgar in CC to see Aeris. Though this might seem like a contradiction to FFVII since he doesn't mention it there, we have to remember the different perspectives. Cloud's knocked out when Zack makes the decision to go to Midgar for Aeris, and never says it outloud.
In the end, I think that Advent Children shows us that they were always meant to be together, but CC shows them really wanting to show that there was this great love and devotion to each other. Though it's safe to say when they made FFVII they weren't planning on going into more detail between Aeris and Zack, the fact that they did shows that our assumptions the game lead us too weren't off of what they have told us now.
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:06 pm
Yep Balthea, you pretty much summed it all up for me!
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:49 pm
Wow, you got all the points. biggrin That's pretty much it. The only thing that is left for discussion is how strong their love actually was.
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:52 pm
Sorry guys. XP Guess I've just thought about this a little too much. Hehe.
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:46 am
ยป I do think that Zerith was added in. Why? well because none of the sequels that came after FFVII were not thought of in the making of FFVII, i mean, none of the other FF games had any sequels to begin with. They finished with one game, but i love the fact they made CC, i wanted to know more things in depth that were said in the game.
And because of the fact some of the scenes in CC were made to make sure it fits in with FFVII, I don't believe that CC being made, over rides the things that happen in the game.
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:59 am
Though I agree and noted in my post that they weren't planning on expanding the story show the relationship, it was always present. Even if you don't think she's in love with him during FFVII, she still was in love with him, since she says so herself. So the relationship of Zack and Aeris, ie. Zeris, was present in FFVII, we just don't see it, and rather, just hear of it's existence. Honestly though, the 'overriding' thing puzzles me a bit, just because CC doesn't override anything that I believe about the game. I've always felt from the first play through that Aeris' feelings for Cloud were based on her feelings for Zack. Crisis Core isn't overriding anything, it's just expanding on that original belief and showing us what I had always assumed had occurred, an adorable relationship between Aeris and Zack, before he disappeared, and that this relationship was so special, that when she meets Cloud, who's acting like him, she clings onto him instantly as a result. Obviously if you believe that's not the case, then Crisis Core's relationship means nothing. However, look at it from our perspective, and it's not an 'override', but simply, an expansion. Which is VERY different when discussing canon. (I'm not angry, I just want you to understand.) Also, last thing. The motivation of an author on one level for a certain bit of the story doesn't really override the story. Just because they wanted to connect the games more doesn't mean that the way they did is meaningless to the story. Prequels are suppose to connect to the original story and show us how the past affects the future. I read that interview you are referring to, and it does say they wanted to connect things, but I failed to see where it said this rendered these things meaningless. If they just wanted simple connections, they could have done so without adding anything to the story. However, they decided to make these connections particularly special, and relate them to Zack and his relationship with Aeris. You can honestly make the claim that any connection in a prequel is meant to be a connection by the author. I'm sure I could find a lot of Star Wars quotes and such to show that. Until they say it though, I fail to see how it being a purposeful connection makes it irrelivant to the story they wrote, rather than being important, since connections to the original piece of work should be one of the most important pieces of story in a prequel. Unless you are saying that things like her wearing Pink because of Zack isn't canon because it wasn't something they said in FFVII, which sure, is a retcon, but it still makes it canon. We can say this about any addition to the story though, that since it wasn't said in FFVII, it's not canon. If you don't want to believe retcons are canon, then you can't believe in any retcons. Here's an interview from the director saying the add-ins are meant to stay faithful to the canon: Quote: Q. How much freedom did you have with CRISIS CORE in expanding the FINAL FANTASY VII world? Did you feel restricted in any way by the sheer fame and popularity of the characters and story? Tabata: For the canonical FINAL FANTASY VII lore and characters, we were careful to remain faithful to the original, but we generally had free license for the new material. As for the huge fan support that FINAL FANTASY VII enjoys, we felt it was more of an inspiration than a restriction. Q. Did you see any conflicts between the storyline in CRISIS CORE and the explanation of events in FINAL FANTASY VII? What was the challenge behind developing a prequel to one of the most beloved and well-known FINAL FANTASY titles? Tabata: For any new elements to the lore, we avoided contradictions by introducing new characters. In any case, the CRISIS CORE storyline was overseen by Mr. (Kazushige) Nojima, who also handled the original FINAL FANTASY VII story, so we did not encounter many problems. P.S. Sorry, not dragging conversation from the Cleris guild here, but I saw you were asking Lunar where the "Aeris, who was in love with Zack..." quote came from. She didn't know because I'm the one who found it, and it comes from the FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania on Zack's profile.
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:17 pm
It's fine Balthea. biggrin I've done it before and ended up killing the thread because I got all the points. xd
But anyways, that interview pretty much says it all. The creators were aware of making any contradictions. You can see it yourself when playing the game how smooth it was and how it constantly referred to the original game.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:41 pm
Sorry for interupting a stellar topic ,but I don't understand your point system xp Where did it come from?
Anyhow, you've all pretty much obliterated the topic with cold logic... xd
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:21 pm
Logic is fun. Not sure what you mean by point system. XP
*reads thread* Oh. I think what she means is I got all the 'evidence' or 'points' on the topic that they would have said, like they don't want anything to add since I covered them all.
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:36 am
My sentiments on logic exactly....
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:12 pm
No. It was not added in post FF7. It has been expanded upon since, but the very idea of Z/A has existed since FF7 came out, well before even AC came out.
If you actually pay attention throughout the game, it is obvious that Zack, whom Cloud copied, and Aerith, who was reminded of her first love by Cloud, were an item, and that's without the events at Gongaga or the disc 3 Nibleheim flashback.
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:57 am
Thanks Ryu. Indeed, all you need to hear is Aeris refer to Zack as her 'first love'. That means Zeris existed at some point. Therefore Zeris =/= added in later. The rest of it, like her reaction to his parents, him writting home about a girl during the time he was with her, ect. just made it even more evident that they had something special.
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:30 am
No..
I'm thinking that the pairing was already made so that they can make an interesting prequel if FF7 became a big hit...
xp
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 5:40 pm
What idiot made that up? Anyone can play through the game and figure out Aerith had a boyfriend before she met Cloud. Obviously Zeris isn't an add-in, but the relationship itself is now more clear to us fans with Crisis Core and all.
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