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 Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:00 pm
Some of the site i ahve been trieng to learn from have told me that the u in desu is silent and that i am to pronounce it as dess.
Latly i have been watching the Anime Rosairo+Vampire(Jap-dub,Eng-sub.) and i have been hearing the u at the end.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:58 pm
Des'=masculine
De'su=feminine
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:27 pm
Most people just talk fast enough that it sounds like "des." I think the "des" suggestion is to help people not put too much stress on syllables (because then it'd sound awkward... unless you're trying to imitate cutesy shoujo-manga girls... hahah). :]
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:35 pm
Cirenes Most people just talk fast enough that it sounds like "des." I think the "des" suggestion is to help people not put too much stress on syllables (because then it'd sound awkward... unless you're trying to imitate cutesy shoujo-manga girls... hahah). :] Does that mean Shoujo Manga girls are awkward?[/totally unrelated]
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:59 am
Final "u" is often clipped on the ends of nouns and some random things like 'desu'. Noun: Meat - (o) niku -> (o) nik
Sometimes it is and isn't deleted simply based on what sound follows, it's a phonology thing. Don't worry too much about it though. Even if you learned all the cases in which this process occurs, you'll still sound and look like a westerner so they won't prosecute you for it.
Saying desu doesn't necessarily mean it's masculine or feminine, so long as you're not using 'desuwa' which is quite obviously feminine (nowadays more jokingly but still heh.)
What it comes down to for desu is just that it's such a common word and the fact that final 'u' often doesn't change the meaning for words, so it can be cut off, making speaking easier.
Sorry, I'm a linguistics nerd.
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 8:45 pm
It's worth noting that particles often follow desu (such as yo, ne, kedo, ga, etc.), and before many of these, the u is pronounced (it isn't in front of "kedo" because of the fact that u's and i's are often silent between certain consonants, s and k being two of them).
So:
"Sou desu" would have either a silent u or a pronounced u (depending on how the speaker wants to be perceived, as I believe it's more feminine and/or polite to say it that way)
"Sou desu ne" would most likely have the u pronounced. I wouldn't put it past some people to drop it, but I can't remember ever hearing it dropped.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:08 pm
Koiyuki Cirenes Most people just talk fast enough that it sounds like "des." I think the "des" suggestion is to help people not put too much stress on syllables (because then it'd sound awkward... unless you're trying to imitate cutesy shoujo-manga girls... hahah). :] Does that mean Shoujo Manga girls are awkward?[/totally unrelated] No, it's just cuter, in some sense. Of course, if you're a 40-year-old macho man, it probably wouldn't have the same effect. lol Anyway, the most "desuuuuuu"s I hear are from burikko girls (who pretend to be cute) or innocent little girls in anime. Normal people don't talk that way. rofl
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:17 pm
I see. Well, I think I would like to use de'su. teehee
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 1:27 am
I was taught to pronounce it as 'dess' rather then 'desu'.
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:22 am
you'll still sound and look like a westerner so they won't prosecute you for it.
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