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 Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:39 pm
I found this in another guild, and it has me realizing that Satanism is NOT the evil force many Christians see it as. Lazarus The Resurected Ok here it is the thread on Satanism. i'd like to point out that Satanists do not worship your Christian Devil. The practice of Satanism is to live by one's own morality the name comes fromt eh idea that Satan is the churches symbol for humanity. The Nine Satanic Statements 1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates.
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
7. Satan represents humanity as just another animal species, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of its “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious species of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as it has kept it in business all these years. I'll post more later
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:45 pm
That's one version of Satanism. The other version actually does worship Satan and uses evil spirits and darker magics for personal gain. Technically, it is "the evil force" many Christians see it as, because it goes directly against what Jesus taught. LaVeyan Satanism (I believe that's what it's called) teaches the worship of self. Instead of aspiring to follow a higher ethical code that allows human beings to actually get along, Satanists pick and choose who they feel are deserving of love, respect, and forgiveness. Jesus taught us that everyone is worthy of those things, and died to protect that right, going so far as to command that we should do the same if the situation calls for it. By serving and worshipping yourself, you are putting something before God, and essentially having another god (yourself) before Him, which is breaking the first and most important Commandment that Jesus gave. Human beings need Jesus in order to be saved, because all human beings are sinful. If you're worshipping yourself rather than Jesus, you're going to get the exact opposite result of salvation.
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:48 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly That's one version of Satanism. The other version actually does worship Satan and uses evil spirits and darker magics for personal gain. Technically, it is "the evil force" many Christians see it as, because it goes directly against what Jesus taught. LaVeyan Satanism (I believe that's what it's called) teaches the worship of self. Instead of aspiring to follow a higher ethical code that allows human beings to actually get along, Satanists pick and choose who they feel are deserving of love, respect, and forgiveness. Jesus taught us that everyone is worthy of those things, and died to protect that right, going so far as to command that we should do the same if the situation calls for it. By serving and worshipping yourself, you are putting something before God, and essentially having another god (yourself) before Him, which is breaking the first and most important Commandment that Jesus gave. Human beings need Jesus in order to be saved, because all human beings are sinful. If you're worshipping yourself rather than Jesus, you're going to get the exact opposite result of salvation. I am just saying why we should not hate them. I am not saying they are right, simply that they are not evil (well, these ones, anyway).
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:51 pm
We shouldn't hate anyone. confused But not because what they believe "isn't wrong" but because we're called to love everyone, no matter what. You can disagree with someone and hate what they believe without hating them as a person.
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:32 pm
It's a good job this has been knocked on the head, really. Those statements are essentially the opposite to what Jesus taught so, whether one acknowledges it or not, believing those statements to be true is siding with Satan.
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:45 pm
Priestley It's a good job this has been knocked on the head, really. Those statements are essentially the opposite to what Jesus taught so, whether one acknowledges it or not, believing those statements to be true is siding with Satan. Intolerant, much?
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:16 pm
Valley of the Kings Priestley It's a good job this has been knocked on the head, really. Those statements are essentially the opposite to what Jesus taught so, whether one acknowledges it or not, believing those statements to be true is siding with Satan. Intolerant, much?
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:33 pm
The largest branch of Satanism is like the post you made. It started in the fifties I believe with LeVey (yes? Someone tell me if I'm wrong) and in essance it was simply mocking the church. Many of the rituals in the Church of Satan are extremely similar to Catholic rituals, but have some sort of twist on it. In essance, most Satanists in this branch are merely athiets who enjoy one another company as well as the community.
There is a small branch who actually do worship Satan but to me that always seemed a little silly. Why root for the guy you know is going to lose? Of course, it also seems to me like the majority of the people in this branch are also about fifteen years old and trying to be rebellious. That's obviously not always the case, but in my experience that's been how it goes.
I respects both groups right to believe what they do, though I really understand neither. I've just never been able to make sense of athiesm in my brain and like I said- worshipping Satan seems silly. It's like rooting for the bad guy in a Disney movie- you KNOW his downfall is inevitable.
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:38 pm
I've been saying this for over a year now in this guild alone... stare
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:45 pm
Hmm ... well, at least I understand your viewpoint a little more clearly now, Lethkhar, though, in my opinion (and I'm biased so ... whatevs), you have much more to gain than lose by being a Christian. Jus' sayin'.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:38 pm
Lethkhar I've been saying this for over a year now in this guild alone... stare
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:52 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Hmm ... well, at least I understand your viewpoint a little more clearly now, Lethkhar, though, in my opinion (and I'm biased so ... whatevs), you have much more to gain than lose by being a Christian. Jus' sayin'. Well, most people don't view their religions' benefits and negatives quantitatively. And if they do, it's usually not to determine what's true and what's not. I, for instance, think atheism's the best. You don't have to do anything.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:26 pm
Lethkhar Fushigi na Butterfly Hmm ... well, at least I understand your viewpoint a little more clearly now, Lethkhar, though, in my opinion (and I'm biased so ... whatevs), you have much more to gain than lose by being a Christian. Jus' sayin'. Well, most people don't view their religions' benefits and negatives quantitatively. And if they do, it's usually not to determine what's true and what's not. I, for instance, think atheism's the best. You don't have to do anything. It seems like quite the gamble to take, though. The majority of the world believes in some form of deity/deities. I'm not going to make an argument as to whether the Christian path is true or not in this post because that's really not the point that I'm trying to make. The view of religion that you put forth, Lethkhar, is that it's really just a system of rules and obligations. In contrast, to me atheism seems, not only bland, but blind. Bland because it seems so dry, so gray that there really remains no point or meaning to a life that exists and simply ends than the number 42. Blind because, the Christian faith aside, there are enough people out there who believe in a god/gods to make the odds that there isn't some higher being out there fairly chancey, at which point all those 'obligations' (Christianity really doesn't ask that much of you) suddenly become a lot more important. __ In regard to the actual topic of this thread, I cast my lot with Fushigi.
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:02 am
CrystalMind Lethkhar Fushigi na Butterfly Hmm ... well, at least I understand your viewpoint a little more clearly now, Lethkhar, though, in my opinion (and I'm biased so ... whatevs), you have much more to gain than lose by being a Christian. Jus' sayin'. Well, most people don't view their religions' benefits and negatives quantitatively. And if they do, it's usually not to determine what's true and what's not. I, for instance, think atheism's the best. You don't have to do anything. It seems like quite the gamble to take, though. The majority of the world believes in some form of deity/deities. I'm not going to make an argument as to whether the Christian path is true or not in this post because that's really not the point that I'm trying to make. The view of religion that you put forth, Lethkhar, is that it's really just a system of rules and obligations. In contrast, to me atheism seems, not only bland, but blind. Bland because it seems so dry, so gray that there really remains no point or meaning to a life that exists and simply ends than the number 42. Blind because, the Christian faith aside, there are enough people out there who believe in a god/gods to make the odds that there isn't some higher being out there fairly chancey, at which point all those 'obligations' (Christianity really doesn't ask that much of you) suddenly become a lot more important. __ In regard to the actual topic of this thread, I cast my lot with Fushigi.
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:25 pm
CrystalMind Lethkhar Fushigi na Butterfly Hmm ... well, at least I understand your viewpoint a little more clearly now, Lethkhar, though, in my opinion (and I'm biased so ... whatevs), you have much more to gain than lose by being a Christian. Jus' sayin'. Well, most people don't view their religions' benefits and negatives quantitatively. And if they do, it's usually not to determine what's true and what's not. I, for instance, think atheism's the best. You don't have to do anything. It seems like quite the gamble to take, though. The majority of the world believes in some form of deity/deities. I'm not going to make an argument as to whether the Christian path is true or not in this post because that's really not the point that I'm trying to make. The view of religion that you put forth, Lethkhar, is that it's really just a system of rules and obligations. In contrast, to me atheism seems, not only bland, but blind. Bland because it seems so dry, so gray that there really remains no point or meaning to a life that exists and simply ends than the number 42. Family, friends, love, art, music, conflict, hunger, destruction, war, tears, laughter, food, learning, those curious letters you get from charity organizations who actually send you a nickel to make the point that you could supply a child in Africa with a lifetime's supply of vaccinations with a nickel (True story, unfortunately... stressed )...Life is interesting, to say the least. I don't find it boring at all. Quote: Blind because, the Christian faith aside, there are enough people out there who believe in a god/gods to make the odds that there isn't some higher being out there fairly chancey, Really? Care to explain how that is? In my experience, more people believing in something =/= that thing being more likely to be true. Examples: The world is flat, the sun circles the earth, and sacrificing animals makes it rain. But you could prove me wrong. Quote: at which point all those 'obligations' (Christianity really doesn't ask that much of you) suddenly become a lot more important. Actually, Christianity asks quite a bit of you. Christians just tend to ignore most of it. It's the same with a lot of religions. You see, because I've found that a belief in a deity tends to seed more conflict than a non-belief in a deity, I've chosen not to believe in a deity. There are so many religions out there that picking the right one is a near impossibility, so if I'm probably going to be wrong anyway I choose the path that shows me the most tangible benefits. And that is quite clearly atheism. And if I did believe in God, it certainly wouldn't be the Christian God. I'd probably be a Baha'i or something to that effect. Also, whether or not I want to go to Hell should have no bearing on whether I believe in Hell or not, should it?
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