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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:34 am
.:dance::. so the other night my Dom announces he is now ready/willing to allow ME to play Domme. Understand I originally entered the TCC as a Mistress, and later on realized I was a switch. I've been playing Sub to his Dom for months now so this is a very exciting development. He told me he saw this little smile on my face that he had never seen before when I was playing Domme for a girl on our retreat I told you guys about earlier. And he wanted to see it again. I think this shows a lot of growth on our parts as partners and says a lot for the direction we're going in. so other then celebrating let me pose these questions to you:
to Dom/me's: Would you ever consider relinquishing that control to another person over you, why and why not? I find a lot of dom/mes are willing to do it once or twice for educational purposes and then never again. So they rarely really understand what the release of surrender and service is. Which I think is unfortunate.
Switches: when do you find it the appropriate time to start switching with playmates who aren't switches? Earlier in our play I had switched rolls on my Dom and he got so angry with me, cause that wasn't how he played and it made him uncomfortable.
Subs: At what point do you feel the need to experience the other side of play? I think for educational purposes everyone needs to play every roll at some point. But if you as a sub were to play with a switch would you be willing to play dom/me?
and most importantly I think, is encourageing these switches asking someone to be who they are not, OR is it simply being flexible in your decisions. I don't think a roll reversal changes who or what you are, but then again I play switch so I think I think differently.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:19 pm
Well, I be a switch. :3 I think the perfect partner can make it more likely for even the most submissive or Dominant of partners want to switch occasionally. When I first got into BDSM I was a switch, really just for the sake of experimentation. I realized I liked being sub more and stayed pure sub for a long time. When I found my lovie, I eventually started getting that urge back to Domme. She was almost pure Domme, and I was able to make her submissive sometime.
That all took time, though. If you're a switch and getting into a D/s relationship with someone who's basically pure Dom/me or sub, understand that they won't be as comfortable with switching as you are. Don't try to force it (even though fighting for Dominance is fun..) and give them time to let you know they feel more comfortable with it.
You have to have an immense amount of trust between you. Do you think a Dom/me would want to submit to his/her pet if he/she didn't have the same level of trust for the sub that the sub has for him/her? Of course not. The trust has to go both ways. So trust is a big issue. Trust and time, and the understanding that there are some people who really just don't want to switch. In that case, see if they'd be willing to let you play with others (if you're the sub.. or maybe even the Dominant). Maybe even encourage them to watch! That way, they can see you at both ends of the spectrum and grow more of an appreciation for switching.
Wow that was long.
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Metamorphosis Lycanthropy Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:30 pm
I'm a switch, too (thanks to my lovie!). I also started off as a switch, and found that I didn't like being submissive, so I dommed, and liked it better, and stayed that way for quite the while. But now that I've found someone that's frisky enough to make me submissive, and like it, I've begun to switch roles more easily.
It took a while, though, What I think is that it takes comfort with the role, and comfort within the person (trust-wise.). So it takes time for you to build that bridge over domming your master, and being dommed. If your master/mistress doesn't want to be dom/med, don't fight for it, only fight for it if they are comfortable with it and like it. As Brittany said, if they just don't want to switch over to the opposite role, then ask if you can play the field a little bit with others, being the dominant or the submissive.
Experiment a little. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:42 am
.::nods::. I found all of that to be true. It's cute cause my Dom is getting faced with a lot of situations and questions he's never had before cause up until this point he's never dealt with switch before. Almost always predominantly slaves and subs. And I agree letting your playmate watch is always smart. That's how he got curious and in the end came to the decision to relinquish control to me occasionally. Now he even jokes about bringing whole other couples in for both he and I to play Dom/me for. Which I think is adorable.
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:59 pm
I believe a good time to try to switch is somewhere after a few months of role play. ^_^ simply ask the other person if they feel comfy at switching at this point. If they say no, then just tell them that if they ever want to switch to let you know and continue on the course. Maybe you could get them to do it but i don't think that pushing the issue constantly is any way to go about it at all.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:35 am
That reminds me how amazing double-Domming is! *scurries to make a thread*
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:06 am
As a Switch myself it was first about exploring myself in that role of both sides, one at a time of course. As a Dom I know my limitations as well as my pet's and in our play it's currently enjoying while seeing how far our limits can hold. I play frequently during the weekends and there are times I love giving up my control knowing even though I have no control I am still safe with her.
As a Dom before I ever met the love of my life I was in munches (bdsm gatherings) and did the whole scene play as well as had a few slaves for a short while before moving on. It was there that I realized my switch nature and had to learn my own boundaries. It is different per person and what one person is and is not comfortable with can gradually change.
My mindset that helps me from crossing over both sides too quickly is that I've established my boundaries in the bedroom and within the house, where as when she approaches me anywhere else it is a consentual decision wether or not I am going to be the top or bottom. Thats the fun of it, it can be routine or random.
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:36 am
Lord Crovax Koldarian As a Switch myself it was first about exploring myself in that role of both sides, one at a time of course. As a Dom I know my limitations as well as my pet's and in our play it's currently enjoying while seeing how far our limits can hold. I play frequently during the weekends and there are times I love giving up my control knowing even though I have no control I am still safe with her. As a Dom before I ever met the love of my life I was in munches (bdsm gatherings) and did the whole scene play as well as had a few slaves for a short while before moving on. It was there that I realized my switch nature and had to learn my own boundaries. It is different per person and what one person is and is not comfortable with can gradually change. My mindset that helps me from crossing over both sides too quickly is that I've established my boundaries in the bedroom and within the house, where as when she approaches me anywhere else it is a consentual decision wether or not I am going to be the top or bottom. Thats the fun of it, it can be routine or random. I really like the idea of the boundaries set up like that. Cause we have run into situations where he gets upset cause I'm used to playing with other switches and have just switched before. This usually unsettles him.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:15 pm
Messenger_Of_The_Moon That reminds me how amazing double-Domming is! *scurries to make a thread* I've never done double domming. Could you please explain how it works?
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:22 pm
YoukaiAlchemist Messenger_Of_The_Moon That reminds me how amazing double-Domming is! *scurries to make a thread* I've never done double domming. Could you please explain how it works? Well, it's basically two dom/mes and one sub in a scene. Twice as much fun for the sub, potentially twice as much punishment. The dom/mes sort of plot together to tease and torment the sub and such.. :3 It's fun stuff~
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:36 pm
Messenger_Of_The_Moon YoukaiAlchemist Messenger_Of_The_Moon That reminds me how amazing double-Domming is! *scurries to make a thread* I've never done double domming. Could you please explain how it works? Well, it's basically two dom/mes and one sub in a scene. Twice as much fun for the sub, potentially twice as much punishment. The dom/mes sort of plot together to tease and torment the sub and such.. :3 It's fun stuff~O_o....o.o...... This...is the greatest discovery....since the Cavemen of ancient Europe discovered bondage O_O... I have to try it in an RP! (no one around for bdsm IRL.)
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:07 am
First off, Congrats! Now, I've noticed we've only got switches answering here...and while I myself am in a post-Calculus daze of the most impactful sort, I shall try to make my mind function.
As I've been talking to those who've been in the scene longer than I have, I've noticed many of them have mentioned a Dominant experimenting, or testing out, things from the submissive side. Most of the people I've talked to also view this as something a "Good Dominant" does. In fact, all of the men I've talked to who identify as purely Dominant have tried being either a submissive or (one daring man) a full-time slave for a year. Neither of them regret it, though all they all stressed that what made the experience work for them was the fact they had the mindset, as did the person/people they experimented with, that it was for educating themselves about their own boundaries, learnign from the other end what they wished to impart, and how to be a better Dominant in general. One Caucasian man commented that serving his Chinese Maitresse forced him to rethink his own sterotypes (god forbid what those were), and learn the more psychological aspects of D/S play. In terms of women Dominants, I actually haven't made any deep enough connections yet where I started interrogating them like the overenthusiastic student I am. Or maybe these older Dominant men see me as their cute project? rofl Wait, did I answer the question? Or just go into another one of my lectures?
As one of my oldest friends (think crazy old lady wearing loud colors, henna'd hair, and living with five cats) taught me from her own experiences, "Sexuality is fluid." I think that's true. The core material that makes it might be the same, but it can change, ebb and flow.
So this finally brings me to answering your question: Yes, I might consider it, but only after a time, with a lot of trust. It takes a lot of creative energy to be Dominant all the time the way my mind upholds my ideals, after all: I'm curious what wicked things others are thinking about; all the better if they involve me. Roles are there to guide behaviour, but they do not set the behaviour itself. (although here I could go off on several psychological studies, getting more sidetracked xd ) But it'd be a rare partner I'd practice submission to, one far in the future, for I am young yet, and still creative, and ze'd have to be a damn good one. Because it'd be easy to make me get on my knees-hell, I do it all the time playing the fop; the hard part is getting my mind to stop viewing it ironically, my eyebrows from rising, my eyes from giving sardonic glints-My, is this not fun? Guess what I'm doing to you tomorrow... Anyways, I know that at this very moment, and likely for many moments into the future, the way I flow is the way of water gently stripping away the borders of the earth, or crashing down in a wave...I don't want to be a contained source, but rather the dominating force. And god bless the (un)lucky soul who gets the uber-virgin Tlazolteotl testing out the things her mind has thought of. (Yeah, that'll only happen when I stop loving the pursuits of the mind almost always more than people)
Umm...so let me know if that's an answer. I think I made a lot of poetry, but not a lot of sense. I myself...am still figuring things out, even though I know the human psyche, mine especially, must be riddled with self-serving biases. Alas, the quixotic quest!
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:52 am
Messenger_Of_The_Moon YoukaiAlchemist Messenger_Of_The_Moon That reminds me how amazing double-Domming is! *scurries to make a thread* I've never done double domming. Could you please explain how it works? Well, it's basically two dom/mes and one sub in a scene. Twice as much fun for the sub, potentially twice as much punishment. The dom/mes sort of plot together to tease and torment the sub and such.. :3 It's fun stuff~In some ways, I would kinda be unsettled if the dom's wern't on the same page...for me and the other dom >.<
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:43 am
xX Princess Heartbreak Xx Messenger_Of_The_Moon YoukaiAlchemist Messenger_Of_The_Moon That reminds me how amazing double-Domming is! *scurries to make a thread* I've never done double domming. Could you please explain how it works? Well, it's basically two dom/mes and one sub in a scene. Twice as much fun for the sub, potentially twice as much punishment. The dom/mes sort of plot together to tease and torment the sub and such.. :3 It's fun stuff~In some ways, I would kinda be unsettled if the dom's wern't on the same page...for me and the other dom >.< Well, yeah. I definitely don't recommend doing it with someone who you don't know and trust, and especially trust their judgement.. especially if it's your pet you're both going to domme! As always, trust is still a major requirement for the scene.
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