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 Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:55 pm
Okay, after trying several places I've given up on my current Kubuntu which I somehow managed to break. I've figured it would probably be easier to try to install something else, but every time I try, there's options to try to use non-existent free space, put it in the Windows Partition, use my Thumb Drive, but I can never find the Partition with Kubuntu on it to install something else over that. Can anyone think of any way to install in the space where Kubuntu currently is that's sure not to damage Windows (which I need to keep because of a couple school programs and that this computer is technically 1/2 belongs to my brother who refuses to use Linux, no clue why) so I can try something else there?
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:19 pm
Sorry for the long wait The reason why you can't see the partitions Kubuntu setup under windows is because Kunbuntu is using one of the thousand's of file systems not supported by windows. You'll be even luck if Windows partition manager even shows the other partitions as something more than empty space. Some Linux distros don't have a build in partitioner, and others have a crappy one, then there is some with a nice partitioner. Some of the distro partitioners I have seen is the one in Mandriva and SUSE. Other than that they are not even worth using, and I would suggest trying Gparted or some other Linux based HDD partitioner. If you don't want to wipe the partition that Kubuntu is on, but reuse it you can try and fix Kubuntu (make a new thread or just post here with details) or just install over it usually Windows is written into the partition table (This is assuming that Windows was installed first and Linux second) as the first partition an example of such: ATA style HDD /dev/hda1 SCSI style HDD /dev/sda1 Both point to the first partition on the HDD which in the case of the example would be windows. Note some Linux distros may favor one naming scheme over the other and in that case all hard drives no matter what it is will use the same naming scheme. One of such is SUSE, so no matter what your first HDD is always sda. Anyways as long as you preserve that first partition Windows will be fine, if you still don't feel safe about what you are attempting you can make a backup of your windows drive before start.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:06 pm
I can see the partitions from Windows, they don't identify themselves but they're there, I just figured Windows might try something crazy like taking that newfound empty space or something before I could even use it if I deleted them from there.
I have an OpenSUSE 11.0 Install DVD, so if that supposedly does better I could try that and post what it says at the partitioning part. I never ended up trying that, but if it might work better I guess it would be worth a shot. Thanks.
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P.S. I posted something about my issue in Kubuntu and how it was broken, about how I log in and it goes blank, the suggested fix here didn't work, other people's ideas on how to just create new users with the rights of that first one didn't work, so yeah...
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Delete partition /dev/sda2 (29.8 GB)
Create extended partition /dev/sda2 (29.8 GB)
Create root partition /dev/sda5 (11.9 GB) with ext3
Create partition /dev/sda6 (17.9 GB for /home with ext3
Use /dev/sda3 as swap
Set mount point of /dev/sda1 to /windows/C
That's what the thing said, colours included and all, when I tried to use the OpenSUSE Install DVD. Hadn't run into issues using that on a different computer, but that was because we were just wiping that clean and had tried a couple other things first anyway and just wiped it clean. I can't tell if what all is up there is going to harm the Windows thing or how much it would if it did.
Currently my Partitions say that they're:
• 39.06 GB NTFS Healthy (System)
• 29.88 GB Healthy (Unknown)
• 5.58 GB Healthy (Unknown)
I'm not sure why, but the supposed partitions on my supposedly 80 GB Hard Drive don't add up to 80 GB.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:54 pm
This is a fun one let me explain why things are not adding up: Currently my Partitions say that they're: • 39.06 GB NTFS Healthy (System) • 29.88 GB Healthy (Unknown) • 5.58 GB Healthy (Unknown) 39.06 GB + 29.88 GB + 5.58 GB = 74.52 GB (Which if you add in the indexing and everything that is 80 GB) So windows is correct eek Delete partition /dev/sda2 (29.8 GB) Create extended partition /dev/sda2 (29.8 GB) Create root partition /dev/sda5 (11.9 GB) with ext3 Create partition /dev/sda6 (17.9 GB for /home with ext3 Use /dev/sda3 as swap Set mount point of /dev/sda1 to /windows/C 11.9 GB + 17.9 GB + 39.06 GB + 5.58 GB = 74.44 GB (Same as before 80 GB) So SUSE is correct as well xd The reason why SUSE's partitioner is showing the "Create extended partition /dev/sda2 (29.8 GB)" (which is throwing you off making it look like your 80 GB HDD has more space that it does) is because it is suggesting that you use an extended partition is because with primary partitions you are limited to four partitions. So /dev/sda1 (windows), /dev/sda3 (SWAP (extended RAM)), /dev/sda5 (SUSE's Root partition), /dev/sda6 (SUSE's Home partition) and your drive is full you can't make any more partitions on that drive. By using an extended partition, /dev/sda2, you can add more as needed. So technically /dev/sda5 and /dev/sda6 are located within /dev/sda2, the same goes for any additional partitions that you choose to make later on. Edit: This just hit me, are you running a 64 bit machine? If not you need to ether lower the SWAP space so that installed RAM + SWAP = 4 GB, or install a PAE kernel if your system supports PAE (SUSE will do this by default if that is the case)
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:04 pm
Okay, that explains a bit about that. I think I get where that's going now. So just quadruple-checking, going ahead with what SUSE thinks is a good idea there will NOT do anything bad to Windows, right?
(it sounds like Windows would remain and be perfectly fine, but I just want to be absolutely sure before I go trying anything, I don't have any particularly effective ways of backing it up so I have to be pretty sure that it's not going to go away, we kind of need the Windows Partition...for now anyway)
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I honestly don't know if it's 64-bit or not. I could look it up if you told me how though. =)
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:26 pm
Windows will not be touched, all it is going to do is "Set mount point of /dev/sda1 to /windows/C" which means it will add the following to /etc/fstab[/] /dev/sda1 NTFS /windows/C, basically a NTFS (windows 2K or higher partition) located in the first partition of the first HDD (sda) will be mounted to /windows/C. So if you ever need to access your windows drive from Linux just point your file manager or CLI to that. If you have a live CD laying around you can pop that in and use "uname -a" and see what it says, for me it says
Linux SE-03 2.6.25.5-1.1-pae #1 SMP 2008-06-07 01:55:22 +0200 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
Which means I am running the Linux kernel (no duh), the host name of my laptop is SE-03, on 2.6.25.5-1.1-pae kernel, my kernel version is #1 SMP 2008-06-07 01:55:22 +0200, running i686 (32 bit arch), Athlon type processer (technically its a Turion 64 dual core), i386 hardware platform, and the OS is GNU/Linux. I dare you to get that kind of information on windows xd
Anyways the fact that SUSE is suggesting a almost 6 GB SWAP partition tells me that it is one of the two. Don't worry though 32 bit programs and software can run on 64 bit hardware if that is the case,
As you can tell that I am using a pae kernel, that is because my laptop is 64 bit hardware, but I am using 32 bit SUSE (due to my wireless driver but due to the great work in the b43 open source broadcom driver I may use 64 bit SUSE on next release) So on top of my 1 GB RAM I can have a 7 GB SWAP and not have a problem with memory usage. One thing to remember is the limits for a processor 32 bit systems has a 4 GB RAM limit, 64 has a 8 GB RAM limit, so on and so fourth.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:42 pm
YAY! I know what I'm doing tonight then. So not fair that you have a working SUSE laptop. I tried that, only to find out about a month later, after many Google Searches, that apparently my mom's laptop does a really poor job working with most nearly any version of Linux on it (Acer Aspire 4520, refuses to recognise the existance of internet, don't think it knows how to use most of the video card, etc.) but that's for later. Right now, I've got to go try out SUSE and see if it works.
ありがとう ございます。 ＝）
Means Thank you =)
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:50 pm
My laptop is a Acer Aspire 5100 and besides the ATI card and Broadcom wireless everything works out of box on it. If you have any other questions or anything feel free to ask here or PM me.
歓迎
You really speak Japanese or did you use a translator?
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:43 pm
I speak about as much as anyone else would learn by the end of Japanese 2, which with my instructor unfortunately wasn't much (for some reason most of the people I know who are like me just don't seem to learn much from her, not sure why, I definitely don't know that kanji there.)
Anyway, so I'm back, SUSE is there, but it fails to acknowledge the existence of the internet, like the laptop. I'm not sure why it doesn't, but Windows still does.
By the way, one thing that occurred to me, Windows had to deal with a whole bunch of installation to recognise the Comcast thing, does Linux know the difference between can't figure out how to use the internet connection and doesn't have it installed (by which I suppose I mean does it know to tell me the difference at the start?)
Other than that, it seems like everything is working fine. It runs smoothly and everything, I haven't found anything yet that seems to behave poorly.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:10 pm
That means "Welcome" There are 2 things that came to mind (not using Comcast, I use charter, I'm assuming it just uses DHCP rather than PPPoE) What is the output of ifconfig (As root) Under YaST2 -> Network Devices -> Network Setting Is your card listed and how is it set to obtain a IP? Also (related to the above) during the installation did you set your network settings controled by NetworkManager or ifup?
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:51 pm
It autoconfigured pretty much everything, so I don't know what it did for the Network, it never asked me anything that I specifically remember to be that.
I'll check, do I actually have to find a Root User or will a sudo work for that ifconfig thing? (guess I could try both to see, just curious though if there's any difference)
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If I check these things for the Laptop (Acer Aspire 4520) while I'm at it, do you know if there's a way to get that to access internet?
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:55 am
The settings say that it has RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ and that it started automatically at boot, it's named eth0 and it gets the IP using DHCP. In the Global Options tab, I found a thing that says it's using ifup.
Oh, by the way, the Laptop says that there's an AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter on it that's not configured and says something about a Kernel missing for something.
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Just clarifying that the first paragraph there is about the Desktop, not the Laptop.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:00 am
Sense it is using ifup (forgive any mistakes I never used ifup before) you would have to do the following as root (in SUSE there is three ways to get ROOT permissions: At the login screen the username is "root" and password is what ever you set up (openSUSE 11.0 is the first version of SUSE that lets you ether use the same password as your user account for ROOT (not very secure) or set up a seperate root password (more secure))
At the command line use the "su" (Super-User) and the root password
At the command line use the "sudo" (Super-User DO) and the root password When using sudo you may get an error like the following: sudo: Command not found That is because these commands are not configured to be used by sudo, this can be changed in YaST.) ifconfig eth0 ifup-dhcp eth0 That should get you going, note this being a laptop it may be quicker to go back in the the Global tab of the Network Setup and change if from ifup to NetworkManager. Once you apply the changes you can ether restart your computer or use rcNetworkManager start (I do believe) and then start the NetworkManager GUI tool, on KDE it is called KNetworkManager. The reason why you are getting that problem on your wireless card is because it is an Atheros card and you need to install MadWifi and the MadWifi kernel module. That will install the needed driver to get your wireless working. For more information on that card and using it with openSUSE 11.0 I suggest that you have a look at this http://forums.opensuse.org/network-internet/wireless/387551-atheros-ar242x-wireless-chip-opensuse-11-a.html
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:54 pm
Okay, so I got that MadWifi thing, but it just extracted a folder when I got it on the Laptop, how do I get it to install itself?
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Thanks by the way on that thing to make my Desktop work, nice to have that up and running (mostly, anyway) at least! =)
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Nevermind, got the sound working...
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:28 pm
Well you didn't have to download anything, all you had to do is add this url:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/schmolle1980/openSUSE_11.0/
To your repository list and use YaST to install
YaST2 -> Software Repositioies -> Add -> (chose your preferred way (I do "Specify Url"))
Then
YaST2 -> Software Management -> search for "MadWifi" and click on Madwifi and it will pick the right kernel module for your system. Hopefully that will get you up and running.
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