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 Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:12 am
I work for ISU Motorcycle safety basically MSF. That is also the place that I learned how to ride at. I was wondering if you used this program or if you learned by another method? 
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:30 pm
I convinced my dad to take me to an empty parking lot. I only fell off once... lol
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Willow--Rosenburg Captain
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:24 am
~SxE Rot Is~~My cousin showed me how to work everything and i took off on it heart
Been riding safely for the last 3 years mrgreen ~ ~Your Worst nightmare! SxE~
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:53 am
Well it all started with bycicles, I got one one, my dad pushed and just as I looked back to ask him how you stop, he had let go, leaving me to nearly crash into a tree.
Luckilly no pushing was required for the motorbike. Dad took me to a field, gave me a helmet and explained what the controls did. I knew about clutch control from cars, and I was off. I'd say took me less than two hours to learn to ride.
The finer details, like mounting curbs, putting the bike on its stand and such came later though trail and near fatal error (exaduration) lol
My question is this, how do you teach someone clutch control? I'd like to teach a girlfriend or friend later on in life when I get another decient bike. But my biggest worry is them not getting the clutch control, and fliping the bike and hurting themselves.
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:08 pm
Super Panda My question is this, how do you teach someone clutch control? I'd like to teach a girlfriend or friend later on in life when I get another decient bike. But my biggest worry is them not getting the clutch control, and fliping the bike and hurting themselves. ~
i think that is impossible.
The only way to learn control is to ride..You can just give "pointers" on how to work the clutch
Like
"Ease out, ok give it a little more gas now..."
"If you pop it and it goes up, pull it back in!"
"if it dies put it in neutral and start it again"
and so on......
Best you can do is explain what it does and "how" it works
When i got my bike (has a clutch) mom took me out and was standing next to me and telling me "what" to do for my first ride with a clutch..
it died a few time, i popped it once or twice.
But that`s how you learn...from errors you make rolleyes ~ ~Your Worst nightmare! SxE~
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:45 pm
give them traffic jam like conditions. were they don't ride with the clutch fully out.
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:14 pm
My dad taught me and after I honed my skills on mountainpasses for 3 years I went here...
I also went to Texas Stunting School to learn...well stunting. Lol.
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:36 pm
My dad had me take the MSF safety course, and that was the first time I ever got on a bike... I passed the first time around, and strangely enough that was actually before I got my drivers license...
But the actual class was pretty interesting, and I had lots of issues with not stalling the bike (an old Honda 125t or something like that...), and I passed pretty much bottom of the class, but at least I passed sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:12 am
Karasu Mad Bomber My dad taught me and after I honed my skills on mountainpasses for 3 years I went here...
I also went to Texas Stunting School to learn...well stunting. Lol. Tell me more about this stunting school, how long was it, how much did it cost and do you need a US motorcycle licence to do it? Oh and what did they teach you. Maybe one day when I have the cash I'll holiday in America and perhaps I could do one of those corses.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:24 am
I took a 2 day safety course. The funny thing is I have never even driven any thing with a clutch before then
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:47 pm
Super Panda Karasu Mad Bomber My dad taught me and after I honed my skills on mountainpasses for 3 years I went here...
I also went to Texas Stunting School to learn...well stunting. Lol. Tell me more about this stunting school, how long was it, how much did it cost and do you need a US motorcycle licence to do it? Oh and what did they teach you. Maybe one day when I have the cash I'll holiday in America and perhaps I could do one of those corses.
I do stunting just for shits and giggles when I'm bored.
I'll help you out a bit here though.
http://www.stunterschool.com/stunt127.htm
Follow that link first of all, this is where I started with an online course, stunterschoo.com My password is stunt127 if you want to log back in if you get logged out. I learned a lot of basic things here and went and tried a lot of this myself.
Now the stunting school in Texas was a 4 day course and I took an intermediate level course because I had already done a bit thanks to that website, it cost me about 350 bucks and I'll find the website for you later, I can't find the link for it right now but they teach you stunts based on the courses you sign up for they have beginner, intermediate, and expert level courses.
You need a motorcycle license, I'm not sure if it has to be American though. I'm sure they'd let you ride anyways though.
Myself I got taught Christ's, Rolling Stoppies, Circle Burnouts, Side Skitches, and Ralph Loui's. All in 3 days.
Hope that helped, but yeah use that website and if you get logged out you have my password and that's all you need, you don't need a username and go practice a little yourself if you want. It's always best to practice on a dirtbike because they can take the most abuse, I'll get that site for you later though holmes.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:32 pm
Thanks, I'll check it out.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:01 pm
I'm going to be taking an MSF course in a couple of weeks. I'd say that that is the safest way to learn, but there are definitely other ways.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:13 am
Karasu Mad Bomber My dad taught me and after I honed my skills on mountainpasses for 3 years how do you enter corners i just started to down shift before the corners to slow down a little bit and to have better acceleration through the corner. is this the right way, and if not what is?
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:09 am
Aoi73 Karasu Mad Bomber My dad taught me and after I honed my skills on mountainpasses for 3 years how do you enter corners i just started to down shift before the corners to slow down a little bit and to have better acceleration through the corner. is this the right way, and if not what is?
Karasu's Cornering Science
Step I: The Approach and Braking
The approach phase is both the most challenging and the most important element to consider. Because the rest of the corner will hinge on how well you do it. There are many things to get right in a short space of time, possibly as little as two seconds. This part is all decisions and actions following from them. Think about this when entering a corner: Does it go left or right? Where should I be for the approach? When should I look into the turn? What does the corner look like? What is its radius? What is the surface like? Are there any other hazards? What line should I take? What speed can I do it at? Have I seen corners like it before? Is there good or bad camber? Do I need to brake, and how hard if so? What gear do I need?
And that list doesn't cover everything by a long shot, so let's look at just one aspect: braking. The idea is to use the brakes to set the ideal entry speed for the corner; too much and you enter too slowly, too little and you'll start panic braking and fail to make the turn. Brakes should be thought of as a tool to set your speed.
Step II: Turn-In
How well you set your sped and approach will largely dictate your turn-in. If you've gone in a little too fast, then you will tend to turn the bike too early. This may not be obvious to you now, but will certainly become apparent at the end of the turn when you find yourself running wide on the exit.
Ask yourself this, are you gonna take command of the corner or be its b***h? There are three areas that influence an early turn-in: looking in too early or too late (you tend to go where you look, good or bad); knowing that the outside of the turn is dangerous so you try to get to the inside ASAP; and finally, not wanting to run out of black stuff.
How do you get the bike turned: quickly or slowly? Do you consciously make that decision or just let it happen? Then there is where to turn. Again, do you let three influences above take control or do you pick a spot to use? Can you change that turn-in point if you need to? Are you looking for markers or points to help you create a line through the turn? All arc's through a corner need at least 3 points (entry, apex, exit).
Step III: Mid-Corner
Set an arc that runs towards your chosen apex, which is where that arc comes closest to the inside of the corner. Then you need to stabilize the bike by easing on the throttle. Too soon and the bike will run wide, as it is still turning. Too late, and the bike will either run wide or too tight, depending on your input on the handlebars. Incorrect throttle use also affects your suspension, grip, ground clearance, and speed. If the entry was too fast , then you'll be late on the throttle. If it was too slow, you will very likely be too early and/or too aggressive with the throttle. Any of these error's will lead the bike off-line, and you will be in a position where your bike is unbalanced and you need to increase the lean angle to get back on line.
Step IV: Drive
The corner starts to open up once you have passed the apex. If you're on a good line, you can start to pick the bike up and reduce the lean angle. You're getting braver with the throttle as each inch passes. Things are getting easier, but the bike isn't upright yet, so you still need to take care with the throttle to control the grip and amount of drive you're getting. This can be a good spot for a highside if you get a little too brace without really feeling what the bike and tires are telling you. All you want to do is just spike the throttle, to result in a sudden loss of traction.
But are we on the right line? If you turned the bike in too early you might now have concerns that your arc is actually gonna send you wide. If this is the case, there's little you can do other then roll the throttle off and adjust your line and then roll on again. Ever done that? More than once? At another level you could actually see the line is going wide and roll on more throttle to get back to spin and step out. This too will tighten the line, but it's only for the best.
Step V: Exit and Full Throttle
Have a fixed exit point to drive towards to avoid being hesitant with the throttle. With a fixed point, you will be able to run confidentially to that exact spot. It could be one foot or a few inches from the edge of the corner, and you would get there with the throttle pinned. If everything is going well at this point, you could even be picking up the bike to reduce lean and get even better drive. Doing this would also mean that the suspension would be working better, with less lean and more travel, which in turn would give you more grip for the drive you are using. Finally, if the bike is going where you want, you can mover more of your attention ahead of you and to the next corner to start the process all over again.
That's the basics dude. Good luck
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