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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:01 pm


Well, here's what I thought - the character stuff, at least. We'll leave plot for others to discuss.

.I'm just going to address the emotional and character stuff for now, though there are tons of plot elements I could mention and probably will. One overall one - it's a dream that won't materialise, but I'd love to see that Team TARDIS work together a bit more.

MARTHA - I loved her in this. Her joy and acceptance of Rose completely made her in my book.

JACK - Well, what can you say? Except he'll be mad that he missed out on Unexpected Naked Ten.

DONNA - I'll come back to her in a moment.

DOCTOR/ROSE - It was the ending I'd predicted and wanted. It suffered badly from not having time to develop and my main problem was I felt Billie didn't engage with Blue Ten, at some level she didn't feel he was the real deal. Which in some ways, he wasn't. That made for some rather wooden acting from everyone except Brown Ten on the beach.

With more set-up it could have been a beautiful scene, but time did not permit. If ever there was a scene crying out for some serious ficcage, that's it. As it was, it was rushed, which left us with the feeling that Rose didn't get a choice and that Blue Ten was a bit of a two-dimensional character. But I think that was just inevitable given all they had to pack in.

It was the nearest to a happy ending we could have had. I've read fics where Rose ages and he doesn't and in the end they all boil down to the same thing - they're heartbreaking and for him it's just prolonging the agony. I think we need to bear that in mind when judging Brown Ten's actions here.

Having said that, it really annoyed me that the whole Bad Wolf thing was left hanging. There are absolutely no interaction between Rose and Jack and the Doctor handwaved/lied about Jack's immortality and its cause. Again, lack of time. Lots of ficcage has been done already, and more will follow, I'm sure. But they could have squeezed in something - they fitted in the Gwen/Gwynneth connection and Jackie's baby, for goodness' sake.

What if Rose isn't mortal? Was that ever fully established? Again, the solution was a quick bodge and we just have to accept it, I guess.

I don't think it would have done any harm to have had a big smile, eye contact and a bit of banter from Blue Ten and Rose on the beach. Just something as simple as "Well, you're stuck with me now." Doctor grins. "Stuck with you, that's not so bad." And off they go with a giggle and a cuddle. They just seemed so uneasy with one another. I found that very sad.

I think we can also take it as absolute canon now that the Doctor is asexual in his Time Lord form.

DONNA -

Oh, MFG. That tore me to pieces. Yeah, I know she was going to leave and fair enough but GAH. Couldn't they have just implied that the two of them pottered around together happily for a while before S5. I think I'd rather have him come back devastated at the start of S5 because she'd just died than what they did with her. No, no, a thousand times no. Not just for Ten's sake. For Donna's too. Every finale breaks someone's heart. S1, it was Nine we lost. S2, Doomsday. S3, The Master and Martha. And now Donna. I'm sorry, I don't think I'm going to come to terms with this one. I'm really pretty gutted, even though I was spoiled. The scene with Wilf made me cry.

See, if I'd known he was still with Donna, I'd have been happy for Ten, because I really felt that with her around he could deal with losing Rose and move on. Now, I just dunno. I think they implied that but it's just too much loss, too close together.

I think, unless we're going to get AU Blue Doctor/Rose spin-offs (which would be nice, and fun) it's going to be better when DT leaves now. We need a new more old-school Doctor who doesn't let us see deep into his pain and angst. It's just too much to bear, because there's obviously going to be no resolution whatsoever. So bring on Eleven, I say.

Meanwhile, the opportunities for good fanfic are legion. And I hope the Doctor heads straight for tea with Sarah Jane, or to the Hub, but on past form that seems unlikely. At least he still has Jenny and River Song, though there's a few hurdles to overcome there.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:53 pm


I'm just coming off of a twelve hour Davros-themed Who-A-Thon, so I'm kinda burned out (he's alive, he's dead, he's alive, he's frozen, he's unfrozen and battling a space DJ... it's all a bit draining...). Every Davros episode in a day is fun, but wowie!

All I really gotta say for now is about the regeneration prank. Yes, prank. It was solved in the first thirty seconds of the episode, just as I figured it would be. It was quite literally little more than RTD poking fun at the rumor mill. Can we please ignore the perennial rumor about Tennant leaving when it pops up again next year?

I'll post more about what I thought of the episode later, when my brain is done being mush.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:58 am


I loved every min of it!!!

The doctor/donna i loved the most very funny. Oh and the naked ten burning_eyes eek xd : heart heart .

And Bille/David was always ment to be no matter what <3

But getting rid of donna's memory i felt sorry for her because she was spiecal and lost it all and now going back to her old selfnot remebering anything crying
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:09 pm


I absolutly loved Davros and the Daleks, and it's a rather interesting that Davros wasn't in charge of the new Dalek Empire. But I originally loved the Cult of Skaro, and now I hate Sec and Caan, traitors to the Dalek cause! scream

I hated how the real Doctor just left Rose, and they never had a moment to themselves! crying

I just wish Donna would have kept traveling with him, but obviously not after the end of this episode, she was such a brilliant companion! Especially her Gramps! Wish they'd both stayed! (sigh) crying

Are Mickey and Martha joining Torchwood, if so I think we're in for quite a third series! mrgreen

The only question is how Davros surrvived, escape pod, temporal shift or something else? question Find out in a few years!

BEST EPISODE EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:40 pm


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Are Mickey and Martha joining Torchwood, if so I think we're in for quite a third series! icon_mrgreen.gif


It's rumoured, but season three of Torchwood is supposed to be only five episodes long.

I liked the episode. The only thing I'm going to comment on is the fact that what RTD did to Donna was cruel. Not only does she lose her memory of her time with the Doctor, she reverts back to the screamy Donna from before The Runaway Bride that thought she wasn't worth the space she took up.

It's sad, because Donna was, quite possibly, my favourite companion ever. Including the Classic series.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:39 am


First off, I was enraged when Tennant failed to regenerate.
Davros' new teeth have been the substance of prolonged rants ever since I saw Journey's End. I'm... slightly obsessed with Davros, however. XD

I thought that the Donna-leaving-part was incredible - I for one didn't expect it at all, and, although she was my favourite new series companion (I was suitably dismayed at the end), I'm glad that she was given such a surprising departure.



I HATE DAVROS' NEW TEETH.

*still can't stop thinking about them*

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:03 pm


I really liked this episode. It did seem as little rushed at bits and I thought there should be some kind of moment between Rose and Jack..... I thought the bit where the Doctor leaves Rose and the Clone should have been a bit more too... You know more of talk with the real Doctor and Rose and they could of at least hugged or something... With Donna oh man I don't know that sucked she cant even remember him I thought that if there was ever a time the Doctor would need support from Donna it would have been then. I wish there was another episode with them all in it. Other than that this episode was awesome!
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