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 Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:42 pm
I actually heard that you have to be 18 or older to consent to BDSM activities from somebody, and was wondering if anybody- I don't know, understood. My confusion is, well it just sounds bizarre, I know you have to be around 18 (or 21) to buy porno, BDSM gear and whatnot, but to have rough sex?
I mean what, do the police break down your door if they find out your boyfriend spanked you during sex?! I guess it might go hand in hand with the fact that you have to be of a certain age to consent to things like being photographed naked, etc.
So I guess this is also a debate thread. What do you think? I know people that lost their virginity when they were twelve, and yet nobody would care, but if you're suddenly wearing a collar under age you're in big trouble?
Also, I suppose if you wanted to mention (you don't have to) how old you were when you realized your secret desires or were in your first relationship, that might be interesting.
I think I was 11 years old (wow, young) when I found a story with bondage, I actually think it was a couple from Harry Potter, LOL, and thought 'huh, I guess that's interesting.' Yes, I became a pervert at a young age. redface sweatdrop embarrassing eh?
-Alika613
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:09 pm
Well, it is illegal in the state of indiana to preform any form of sodomy. Then again it is also illegal to go to the theatre on fridray after 6pm with garlic breath in indeana...Some laws were made to stop something bad, like being gay and some because a high up person got offended. Some laws may even have been made long ago and never taken off of the books. As this law goes, I dont know and i have heard no such thing to be honest with you, but hey who really wants to get caught having sex nyways, especially if they are under 18 at all. As long as you do it in a "safe" place, the cops wont come hunting for you I wouldnt worry. Besides, ive never been caught preforming sodomy on another, and she never called the cops either, so I would assume you will be ok toots.
Edit
I do not think being gay is bad, yet many poloticians do, i was being cynical, just wanted to clear that up before anyone got the wrong idea. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:54 pm
In general, age restrictions bother me.
They do so by assuming that it is reasonable to make a law based upon average statistics. This harms everyone that is not average.
I've never heard of such a law, but would (without a doubt!) not be surprised to have one pop up on a web search.
I had best, however, cut myself short before I turn this thread/post into a political soapbox. Ick.
z.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:44 pm
It's because typically before and sort of bdsm that both sides usually draft up a document that details the outlines of acceptable and unacceptable practices. And seeing how when you're under 18 unless emancipated you're practically your parents or legal guardians property, there's no way you could consent to such acts.
For example, say for SOME UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCE something could potentially occur that led to the hospitalization of another person.
Now before you call 911 and they bust down the door to find a naked tied up body being prodded, poked, whipped, burned, electrified, or anything else you could possibly think of or do, arn't you going to be glad you have a LEGAL contract which JUST IN CASE you can take with you into a court of law showing that both parties involved agreed to the risks outlined.
Merely spanking someone or using handcuffs probably won't immediately have the swat banging down your door, unless you were doing such against the persons will (and then shame on you for being a poor kidnapper/silence of the lambs type crazy person that the police found you that quickly)
But really as Rayler said don't try to interpret the law to the exact letter too hard. The law barring public male/female intercourse gives the same sentence as public sodomy (the latter is probably illegal just for the sole fact that a couple used the excuse "oh, we're not technically having sex" as it almost worked for the greatest president in the last two centuries), fortunately there's no such thing as the sodomy police randomly barging into people's houses (I've tested this theory extensively).
What really pisses me off is you can't rent a hotel room or car till you're 22 in some places. What more do they want from me? I can smoke, drink, have sex, and get credit/loans/banking to pay for everything but I can't rent a hotel room for all three during a convention weekend? Like what kind of retarded concept is that.
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RocketPunk108 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:21 pm
Great points, I must say.
Methinks that it wasn't originally intended to validate the contract... But I'm glad the laws do. x3;;
Also, the hotel policies are more like than not because of frat-party-like occurrences that leave the room completely trashed the next day. ...Just a guess, though.
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:18 am
Yeah, the age limit on staying at a hotel is kind of stupid, though my guess is it's an attempt to have more mature people who won't trash the place.
Hmmn, a contract would be good in those instances- though I wonder how far they can take someone legally if the sub keeps saying they agreed to it, question
-Alika613
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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:32 am
So far as I know, the law doesn't validate any independent contracts so far as D/s goes. Methinks that may have something to do with prostitution.
The consent of the sub is considered null, so far as I know, and so long as the act itself is legal, then all is well. If, however, the sub complains to someone, things could get nasty.
Did you hear about the couple in Germany, a few years ago, that met online and had vivid vore fantasies? One cut off the others phallus, and they intended to cook and eat it together, but the recently un-sexed died of blood-loss, and the other one got 20 years.
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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:41 pm
Zurah So far as I know, the law doesn't validate any independent contracts so far as D/s goes. Methinks that may have something to do with prostitution.
The consent of the sub is considered null, so far as I know, and so long as the act itself is legal, then all is well. If, however, the sub complains to someone, things could get nasty.
Did you hear about the couple in Germany, a few years ago, that met online and had vivid vore fantasies? One cut off the others phallus, and they intended to cook and eat it together, but the recently un-sexed died of blood-loss, and the other one got 20 years. WHAT?!!! Wow, eek I don't know what I think about that... I feel bad for the one who got 20, I don't know... I mean if they consented... I guess I'd have to know more about the case to pass judgment though. That seems, for lack of a better word, intense though... Hmmn... yeah, contracts seem more like a way of clarifying what will happen as appose to having legal standing. -Alika613
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:26 pm
I very much agree on the clarification front-- from what I've seen, they also calm down both parties a bit... That unspoken tension? They eliminate that.
I wonder, in some cases, though, if they have any legal standing, and what a lawyer would do with one.
z
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:09 am
Well, supposedly they hold up pretty decently in a court of law from what I've heard in my sexuality in society course I took over the summer.
Although, mostly it's so if say for example a neighbor stumbles upon your activities and sometimes people see someone tied up or bound and don't always assume both parties are having fun. It would help if police showed up due to that especially.
But for more extreme examples you really can't tell.
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RocketPunk108 Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:53 am
Having a contract made out before hand would help a lot, that way you know what you're getting into, LOL.
I suppose that while I don't think they're "legal" they can be offered as proof to help prove innocence if you were accused of beating, etc. Plus, being able to pull it out if the cops came because the neighbors did call would be great help.
They can be fun to write up to, kind of like a prelude as to what is coming, wink
-Alika613
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:00 pm
I didn't know that they worked as proof of innocence, but can quite easily see why and how. I'm quite glad they do.
They could be quite fun to write-- it seems like it'd be a nerve-wracking experience, however.
z.
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RocketPunk108 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:22 am
That's why you find an already written out form for one and go from there.
There's probably even some on the internet with little tiny check boxes for certain kinks.
Oh Internet, what would we do without you.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:06 pm
True indeed, Rayler...
Though I think I'd settle somewhere in the middle-- a prewritten format, but fill in all the little blanks myself. It'd make sure I didn't miss something, and I'd make sure all I wanted was in there. 3nodding
z.
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