Welcome to Gaia! ::

THINK!

1. Evolution contradicts the biblical record of a finished creation
The creative process is not now operating. God rested (Genesis 2:1-3) Evolution supposes a continuous creative process.

2. Evolution contradicts the doctrine of fixed and distinct kinds
Evolution supposes a constant change back to a common ancestor. All flesh is not the same (1 Corinthians 15:38 & 39). Biogenesis (life begets life) is seen as "like begets like".

3. Evolution is inconsistent with God's omniscience
It is all chance and errors in genetic translation to successive generations. God is orderly and is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33)

4. Evolution contradicts the universal principle of decay
Cursed is the ground (Genesis 3:17). The creation is waiting for release from (Romans 8:21). The law of degeneration, disintegration, and increasing entropy is universally observed. The molecule-to-man philosophy is an illusion that ignores all the genuine evidence of nature.

5. Evolution produces anti-Christian results
A corrupt tree can not produce good fruit (Matthew 7:18 ). Evolution is at the very root of atheism, communism, relativism, , anarchism, and all manner of anti-Christian practices. Dangerous and ly social problems are deeply rooted in the purposelessness of materialistic evolution: , promiscuity, abortion, and abuse. Evolution has played an important part in reducing how humans think of themselves. Obvious problems are: low self esteem, animalistic behavior, and depression due to a feeling of meaninglessness if life.

I'm gonna have to agree with zz1000zz on this one. Just because evolution is based on "random genetic mutations," who's to say that those random mutations weren't actually planned by God? We have such a limited view of things, that even huge coincidences seem like nothing but chance. It is possible (probable even) that these things we attribute to chance are actually the hand of God.

And to say that evolution is at the base of atheism, communism, relativism, anarchy and anti-Christian practices, along with promiscuity, abortion, and abuse, topped off only by low self esteem, animalistic behavior, and depression over a meaningless existence- I feel personally insulted by that. I'm probably one of the happiest people you're likely to ever meet. And I've seen some tough times, let me tell you. I am still a virgin, waiting for my husband (and needless to say, I've never had an abortion, neither do I condone it), and I know my purpose is to serve God and others. I still think evolution is possible. I don't know one hundred percent, but I'm not quick to rule it out completely.

I'm curious: on what grounds do you make these claims about belief in evolution being basically the root of all evil (I always thought that was money confused )?

I agree with this idea.


Why would you be insulted by this? confused

Who said that the creation process is still happening? It's actually all very logical that, as a species lives certain animals with certain traits would survive while those who lack these traits would not. As a result, as a certain trait dies out it's not passed on. It's not so much creation as it is the species very slowly changing over time.

While it supposes it, there is often little to no proof. Not everyone buys into a common ancestor anyway.


Who says it's chance or error. I don't know about you, but in my life I often see something as chance or a misfortune, and yet when I look back I see nothing but God's fingerprints all over it for the better. I don't see how it's inconsistant with God's omniscience, I kind of think God is behind evolution.


I honestly don't really even understand what you're arguing here. I think evolution fits in nicely with most universal principles. Also- didn't you just argue above that God is not the creator of disorder in an argument against evolution, and then use entropy as an argument against evolution? That seems rather inconsistant to me. Entropy is a law of the world- the world God created.


I think this is completely ridiculous and lacks any form of evidence and backup. I don't think human's nature has really changed a whole lot, there was also promiscuity, abuse, abortion, low selfesteem, and what have you from the beginning of time, and I doubt it has to do with people thinking evolution is a true principle. I have to say, I feel like I'm doing just as good a job as you or anyone else following God's plan, I have healthy self esteem and healthy relationships with almost everyone in my life and God, and I believe in evolution.

And communism is anti-Christian? That's silly. Yes, every attempt at communism has been a failure, but on paper communism is a brilliant theory.

And I don't feel like the majority of the world thinks life is meaningless, and if they do it's not because they believe in evolution.

I don't understand this idea that evolution cannot fit into a Christian theology. Is it such a leap of faith to believe that maybe God instilled in his creatures means to adapt to their surroundings and therefore change their outward appearence over thousands and millions of years? I mean, why the heck not? It just seems so silly to me.

No thanks. I tend to avoid putting much effort into explaining what is wrong with comments like, "Your mother is a whore!"



This is silly. All of these would be natural things, arising naturally not from evolution. Evolution is just as much an effect as any of these.



In case you are actually serious, the phrase "look horrible" was meant in a non-literal sense. I was not making a comment about physical appearance.

I don't feel accused. It certainly wasn't a personal attack.

Both are personal attacks. One is a personal attack against an individual, the other is a personal attack against a belief system. He offered no basis for the offensive claims. There was no evidence or reasoning offered. All he offered was insults. Had he attempted to explain how evolution is the "very root" of things like "low self-esteem," I would have been willing to engage him. He did not. I am not.

And actually, unfounded claims stand all the time.



Those natural things are not a part of evolution, they are a part of nature. Evolution also happens to be part of nature. Just because two things are parts of nature does not mean they are responsible for each other. Eating and cancer are both parts of nature, but we do not typically blame one for the other. Evolution, promiscuity, atheism and abuse are all effects, not causes.



Then what you said was irrelevant. My comment presupposes his comments were false (supported by the previous remarks in my post), as made evident by calling it "nonsense." Saying he "makes Christianity look horrible" was a criticism of him, not some kind of factual criticism.

First, there was nothing emotional about my post, not that it is particularly important. Second, by him, belief in logical reasoning and examination of facts leads to (amongst other things) "low self esteem, animalistic behavior, and depression." Of course, you could go by some exotic interpretation where he means the actual process of evolution, not the belief that evolution happens. This directly contradicts the first numbered point of his post, so that seems rather silly.



Perhaps, and perhaps he is the type of person to confuse the simple differences between "he" and "she." Somehow it seems more likely he is just spouting off bigotry.

Seeing as nothing he says has any basis in reality, I am going with the latter.