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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:31 pm

Just to put this out there: I am young, I'm still going to a public middle school. Being religious there is hard, especially for Christians such as myself. Not only from peers, but from teachers and even the rules.
A kid who goes to my school is terrible to me when I wear Christian clothing, the teachers/rules won't allow me to read my Bible when I'm allowed to read in class, and wearing a rosary is against the rules in my school. Yet the muslims are allowed to wear their head dresses?
I'm finding that it is harder and harder to be a Christian every where and I would just like to know, has any one else seen this or experienced it? If so, what did you do about it?

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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:50 pm

That was hardly a wall of text. ;P

I got out of high school almost ten years ago and I was Wicaan back then, so I didn't really have a problem with that per se. Though, people were kind of a fraid of me because I was Wiccan. I think they thought that if they ticked me off, I'd curse them or something. Meh, t'was fine by me, at least people weren't harrassing me anymore.

It has gotten kind of sad. this country was built for Christians, for religious freedom. Now, it's ok to worship God however you please, as long as your not a Cristian.

And our idea of morality? Better keep it to ourselves, especially if we think someone is doing something wrong. Especially if it isn't hurting that person, only the people around them....

And that's only the beginning of it. Apparently, we're great target practice, too rolleyes

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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:55 pm

Target practice? That's one I've never heard before...

But usually, I post short little blurbs, so to me, that kind of was a wall of text sweatdrop

But the rest, I've found alot of that happening. It's gotten really annoying, especially at school dances. OH MY EMMETT [no longer omg], that's gotten bad. The innaproprietness[?] there has gotten out of hand, especially the music, and if I were to sing a Christian song to myself, I get sent to the princa"pal". stare

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:37 pm

Herein lies the injustice.

However, I do get a little fed up with not just members of other religions but also Christian brothers and sisters going against an institution's (such as a school's) rules and then complaining an abuse of human rights when they receive negative action. I support human rights but I'm also an advocate of human responsibilites, which include entering into agreements and not breaking the terms of said agreement. I can understand how rosaries and such things could be considered jewellery and be against school dress codes but what rules is a person breaking when they read their religious texts during reading time?

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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:55 pm

Personally, I think I would do tons of Christian stuff just to tick them off. But honestly, I think you have a right to go against that, and I think that God would back you up one-hundred percent. Isn't that what being Unashamed is all about?

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:03 pm

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Personally, I think I would do tons of Christian stuff just to tick them off. But honestly, I think you have a right to go against that, and I think that God would back you up one-hundred percent. Isn't that what being Unashamed is all about?

But, clearly, if wearing a crucifix around one's neck (for example) breaks the school's dress code and the refusal to comply leads to some sort of disciplinary action, the issue has more to do with personal responsibility than personal rights.

Too long; didn't read: "Do this and suffer the consequences." *does it and suffers the consequences* "Waaah, my human rights are being denied me! gonk "

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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:12 pm

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Personally, I think I would do tons of Christian stuff just to tick them off. But honestly, I think you have a right to go against that, and I think that God would back you up one-hundred percent. Isn't that what being Unashamed is all about?

But, clearly, if wearing a crucifix around one's neck (for example) breaks the school's dress code and the refusal to comply leads to some sort of disciplinary action, the issue has more to do with personal responsibility than personal rights.

Too long; didn't read: "Do this and suffer the consequences." *does it and suffers the consequences* "Waaah, my human rights are being denied me! gonk "

Lucky for me I don't wear one then. I mean, reading my bible, wearing Christian T-shirts (which have been banned in several schools), etc. You can sue them if they don't let you wear those shirts, or read or bible, or whatever. They can kiss my butt.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:21 pm

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Personally, I think I would do tons of Christian stuff just to tick them off. But honestly, I think you have a right to go against that, and I think that God would back you up one-hundred percent. Isn't that what being Unashamed is all about?

But, clearly, if wearing a crucifix around one's neck (for example) breaks the school's dress code and the refusal to comply leads to some sort of disciplinary action, the issue has more to do with personal responsibility than personal rights.

Too long; didn't read: "Do this and suffer the consequences." *does it and suffers the consequences* "Waaah, my human rights are being denied me! gonk "

Lucky for me I don't wear one then. I mean, reading my bible, wearing Christian T-shirts (which have been banned in several schools), etc. You can sue them if they don't let you wear those shirts, or read or bible, or whatever. They can kiss my butt.

That depends. If Christian t-shirts come under a general rule against any religious clothing being worn in school, one really doesn't have much ground upon which to stand. However, if it was a rule specifying Christian clothing without any mention of other religious clothing, you could probably sue with the claim that you are being discriminated against and/or the school's policies are discriminatory. I suppose the same could go for reading of religious texts, but I can't see how a school's policy against that could be at all supported.

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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:26 pm

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Personally, I think I would do tons of Christian stuff just to tick them off. But honestly, I think you have a right to go against that, and I think that God would back you up one-hundred percent. Isn't that what being Unashamed is all about?

But, clearly, if wearing a crucifix around one's neck (for example) breaks the school's dress code and the refusal to comply leads to some sort of disciplinary action, the issue has more to do with personal responsibility than personal rights.

Too long; didn't read: "Do this and suffer the consequences." *does it and suffers the consequences* "Waaah, my human rights are being denied me! gonk "

Lucky for me I don't wear one then. I mean, reading my bible, wearing Christian T-shirts (which have been banned in several schools), etc. You can sue them if they don't let you wear those shirts, or read or bible, or whatever. They can kiss my butt.

That depends. If Christian t-shirts come under a general rule against any religious clothing being worn in school, one really doesn't have much ground upon which to stand. However, if it was a rule specifying Christian clothing without any mention of other religious clothing, you could probably sue with the claim that you are being discriminated against and/or the school's policies are discriminatory. I suppose the same could go for reading of religious texts, but I can't see how a school's policy against that could be at all supported.

Though, even if one IS breaking rules you kinda hav eto look at WHO they're punishing. If I were to wear a crucifix somewhere where it violates a dress code, and they ignore someone wearing, say, a pentagram and reprimand me, your darn skippy I'm not goonna lie down and just take the punishment. Rules or not, if they're going to let one person get away with it then I should be allowed to get away with it, too.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:44 pm

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Personally, I think I would do tons of Christian stuff just to tick them off. But honestly, I think you have a right to go against that, and I think that God would back you up one-hundred percent. Isn't that what being Unashamed is all about?

But, clearly, if wearing a crucifix around one's neck (for example) breaks the school's dress code and the refusal to comply leads to some sort of disciplinary action, the issue has more to do with personal responsibility than personal rights.

Too long; didn't read: "Do this and suffer the consequences." *does it and suffers the consequences* "Waaah, my human rights are being denied me! gonk "

Lucky for me I don't wear one then. I mean, reading my bible, wearing Christian T-shirts (which have been banned in several schools), etc. You can sue them if they don't let you wear those shirts, or read or bible, or whatever. They can kiss my butt.

That depends. If Christian t-shirts come under a general rule against any religious clothing being worn in school, one really doesn't have much ground upon which to stand. However, if it was a rule specifying Christian clothing without any mention of other religious clothing, you could probably sue with the claim that you are being discriminated against and/or the school's policies are discriminatory. I suppose the same could go for reading of religious texts, but I can't see how a school's policy against that could be at all supported.

Though, even if one IS breaking rules you kinda hav eto look at WHO they're punishing. If I were to wear a crucifix somewhere where it violates a dress code, and they ignore someone wearing, say, a pentagram and reprimand me, your darn skippy I'm not goonna lie down and just take the punishment. Rules or not, if they're going to let one person get away with it then I should be allowed to get away with it, too.

Well, if the rule was about jewelery in general, of course you would expect someone with a pentagram or another person who has a plain chain to receive the same disciplinary measures. However, how would you know if they had or hadn't been reprimanded unless you witnessed the reprimand yourself? It could have been done in private. Sometimes one must accept that one broke the rules and not point the finger at someone else.

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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:48 pm

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Personally, I think I would do tons of Christian stuff just to tick them off. But honestly, I think you have a right to go against that, and I think that God would back you up one-hundred percent. Isn't that what being Unashamed is all about?

But, clearly, if wearing a crucifix around one's neck (for example) breaks the school's dress code and the refusal to comply leads to some sort of disciplinary action, the issue has more to do with personal responsibility than personal rights.

Too long; didn't read: "Do this and suffer the consequences." *does it and suffers the consequences* "Waaah, my human rights are being denied me! gonk "

Lucky for me I don't wear one then. I mean, reading my bible, wearing Christian T-shirts (which have been banned in several schools), etc. You can sue them if they don't let you wear those shirts, or read or bible, or whatever. They can kiss my butt.

That depends. If Christian t-shirts come under a general rule against any religious clothing being worn in school, one really doesn't have much ground upon which to stand. However, if it was a rule specifying Christian clothing without any mention of other religious clothing, you could probably sue with the claim that you are being discriminated against and/or the school's policies are discriminatory. I suppose the same could go for reading of religious texts, but I can't see how a school's policy against that could be at all supported.

Though, even if one IS breaking rules you kinda hav eto look at WHO they're punishing. If I were to wear a crucifix somewhere where it violates a dress code, and they ignore someone wearing, say, a pentagram and reprimand me, your darn skippy I'm not goonna lie down and just take the punishment. Rules or not, if they're going to let one person get away with it then I should be allowed to get away with it, too.

Well, if the rule was about jewelery in general, of course you would expect someone with a pentagram or another person who has a plain chain to receive the same disciplinary measures. However, how would you know if they had or hadn't been reprimanded unless you witnessed the reprimand yourself? It could have been done in private. Sometimes one must accept that one broke the rules and not point the finger at someone else.

And what if I was reprimanded in public? Should I not expect that someone of another religion be treated the same?

We shouldn't point fingers, true, but neither should we stay silent if we are not being afforded the same treatment as everyone else.

I believe the term is civil disobedieance. if I think a rule is somehow unfair, I'm going to simply not follow it.

There are a lot of things in the world that would not have changed if people had not practiced this.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:02 pm

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Lucky for me I don't wear one then. I mean, reading my bible, wearing Christian T-shirts (which have been banned in several schools), etc. You can sue them if they don't let you wear those shirts, or read or bible, or whatever. They can kiss my butt.

That depends. If Christian t-shirts come under a general rule against any religious clothing being worn in school, one really doesn't have much ground upon which to stand. However, if it was a rule specifying Christian clothing without any mention of other religious clothing, you could probably sue with the claim that you are being discriminated against and/or the school's policies are discriminatory. I suppose the same could go for reading of religious texts, but I can't see how a school's policy against that could be at all supported.

Though, even if one IS breaking rules you kinda hav eto look at WHO they're punishing. If I were to wear a crucifix somewhere where it violates a dress code, and they ignore someone wearing, say, a pentagram and reprimand me, your darn skippy I'm not goonna lie down and just take the punishment. Rules or not, if they're going to let one person get away with it then I should be allowed to get away with it, too.

Well, if the rule was about jewelery in general, of course you would expect someone with a pentagram or another person who has a plain chain to receive the same disciplinary measures. However, how would you know if they had or hadn't been reprimanded unless you witnessed the reprimand yourself? It could have been done in private. Sometimes one must accept that one broke the rules and not point the finger at someone else.

And what if I was reprimanded in public? Should I not expect that someone of another religion be treated the same?

We shouldn't point fingers, true, but neither should we stay silent if we are not being afforded the same treatment as everyone else.

I believe the term is civil disobedieance. if I think a rule is somehow unfair, I'm going to simply not follow it.

There are a lot of things in the world that would not have changed if people had not practiced this.

As I said in my post before you joined in, you can appeal the reprimand -- even sue -- if the discrimination is so serious and/or the disciplinary procedures/policies are discriminatory. But, if the rules are fair and you get caught wearing any kind of jewelery, an "OMG but she's wearing so and so..." still doesn't change the fact that you've been caught wearing jewelery. What would you do, be disobedient until she gets punished? She'll just use the same excuse.

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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:46 pm

The worst thing is when kids at your school treat you like a sissy when you wear Christian clothes or jewlery (I know I spelled that wrong, I haven't slept in four days).

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:58 pm

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The worst thing is when kids at your school treat you like a sissy when you wear Christian clothes or jewlery (I know I spelled that wrong, I haven't slept in four days).

[four days? Why not sleep?]

Or just treat you like a freak, such as where I live. That happens to just about any Christian who actually acts Christian. stare

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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:02 pm

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xxPromarkxx

The worst thing is when kids at your school treat you like a sissy when you wear Christian clothes or jewlery (I know I spelled that wrong, I haven't slept in four days).

[four days? Why not sleep?]

Or just treat you like a freak, such as where I live. That happens to just about any Christian who actually acts Christian. stare

I can't get to sleep. I don't know why. I laid in my bed for three straight hours trying, and can't.

Yeah, that's the worst. Some of my teachers insult me, but nothing happens because "they're adults, and they couldn't possibly do anything wrong" (quote un-quote from my vice principle). At least I'll be in a different school this year.

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