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Little_Lotus921

PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:42 am


My mother is a muslim and my dad is a catholic. When I was born they agreed to Not pick my religion for me and that I would choose at the age of 18. They taught me each religion's basics. I don't know much. I need to know more before I choose one. Help??
PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:38 pm


Hm... Where to begin? Well...

Islam is a religion in which heaven/paradise is acquired through work. (Praying 5 times a day, wearing the Hijab's (female only), giving to the poor, etc.)

However, Christianity is a religion in which salvation is granted through Jesus Christ, the Son of God. By believing in his forgiveness, etc., we are accepted as one of God's own children (something that, before Jesus, only the Jewish people could acquire.) And, because when we accept Christ as our savior, our old, sinful life dies on the cross with Jesus, and we are reborn as a child of God. Perfected by his Love for us~ And, by the grace that has entered our hearts, we gladly give money to the poor, and pray, etc.

Also, not to be bashing Islam or anything, but they seem to have twisted the story of Jesus, in which he was ruptured instead of dying for us on the cross. They also beleive on day Jesus will come back and kill everyone who is not Muslim. Kind of scary... and it's weird, because Christianity has plenty of evidence of the New Testament and Old Testament before Mohammud's time, yet he says we corrupted it? Eh... doesn't sound right to me...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:18 pm


You might wanna check out the Evangelism Scriptures page 3nodding any tough questions and what promises God has made us might be answered in Answers Found In Scripture ^^ And don't worry, feel free to post any questions or comments here, girl.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:23 pm


Here's what I know about each religion.

Islam:
Muhammad was a the last prophet chosen by Allah to teach the true religion. He started in Mecca and converted a few people, but had to leave because of the religious and political pressure on him. He went to Medina where he gained many fellow believers, then returned to Mecca where he became a huge leader. After his death there was a rift amoung the believers as to who would rule. The Sunni's think that leaders should be elected, while Shi'ites think leadership should stick to the bloodline. This conflict still isn't resolved. After Muhammads death, some believers wrote down all his teachings in the holy book of Islam, the Qu'ran. The Qu'ran has teachings on many things, including laws, social standings, punishments, basic fundamentals, and a lot of other things. The basics though are the Five Pillars of Islam:
1) Allah is the only God and Muhammad was his chosen prophet.
2) Prayer. There are five prayers that have to be said daily.
3) Alms-Giving. self explanatory
4) Fasting. especially during the month of Ramadan.
5) Pilgrimage. all Muslims must go to Mecca once in their lives.
That's all I really know for sure on Islam.

Christianity:
As far as Catholic beliefs go, I know they worship God, Jesus, and include Mary and other Saints in their worship. The also believe that regular people can't talk to God, but must go through priests.
Basic Christianity though. We believe God created the earth in 6 days, then cast Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden when they sinned. He then continued to talk to the people (as in actually talk to them, with appearing before them and allowing them to hear his actual voice) especially prophets such as Noah, Moses, David, Daniel, Solomen, Job, Isiah, Elijah and Elisha, Joseph, Jacob, Jeremiah, Abraham who he created the first old covenant with, the twelve disciples, Paul, and a multitude of others. the most famous is Jesus Christ, the son of the Virgin Mary (when she gave birth) and Joseph, who fulfilled the old covenant, then created a new covenant when he died on the cross to save our sins. We believe in what Jesus taught, that he is the way the truth and the life and the only way to get to heaven is to believe that he is the son of God and that he died for us.

That's the basics of Christianity and what I know of Islam. If that was at all confusing, tell me and I'll clarify, and don't be afraid to ask specific questions.

And may I suggest you look into different more indepth beliefs in both Islam and Christianity before you make the choice. I and others here can help with the Christian beliefs.

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Little_Lotus921

PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:02 am


Wow. Thanx I never new you guys new so much about Islam. Its hard to pick sweatdrop .
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:17 am


Like Sarcastic_Angel said, you should check into some Islam guilds on Gaia~ They will give you more information on Islam, just as here will give you more information on Christianity.

And also, one of the major differences between Christianity and Islam is salvation. In Christianity we beleive/know that we are saved only by Gods grace. By believing that Christ Jesus died on the cross, and thus alleviated us of our sins. Islam is more of a works religion. You MUST do this, you MUST do that. And even then you may not be saved. I'll show you some verses from the Quran if you want~

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Sarcastic_Angel

PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:24 am


Ya totally. The best way to be sure you choose wisely is to get as much information that you can on both religions. And don't be afraid to ask questions. We're here to help
PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:28 pm


Anyone the Father has given to his son will eventually come running to him, for he is greater than the destoryer and the thief 3nodding Don't think I quoted that exactly, but close as needed. With Adam and Eve, by commiting sin, they separated themselves from being with God, because he is without fault. When he called out to them, "Where are you?" He wasn't asking their location, but where their hearts were, and to see if they would answer his call. However, after this, he still showed his love and blessing twords them later on.

Also, the Lord says to only pray to him, not even his saints. However, asking them to pray for them in Heaven and learning from how the Lord used their lives in this world is very much different 3nodding for the good, however, not bad. Many Christians, like myself, do not pray to the saints or follow the Pope (even if I really like the current one, and believe God is truely using him as a great servent ^^ and a nice guy)

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:44 am


Angel of the End
Anyone the Father has given to his son will eventually come running to him, for he is greater than the destoryer and the thief 3nodding Don't think I quoted that exactly, but close as needed. With Adam and Eve, by commiting sin, they separated themselves from being with God, because he is without fault. When he called out to them, "Where are you?" He wasn't asking their location, but where their hearts were, and to see if they would answer his call. However, after this, he still showed his love and blessing twords them later on.

Also, the Lord says to only pray to him, not even his saints. However, asking them to pray for them in Heaven and learning from how the Lord used their lives in this world is very much different 3nodding for the good, however, not bad. Many Christians, like myself, do not pray to the saints or follow the Pope (even if I really like the current one, and believe God is truely using him as a great servent ^^ and a nice guy)
Yup~ And about the Saints, I am no Catholic, so I don't know many saints, but Scripture tells us that the Holy Spirit by out sides prays for us as well, even when we don't ask Him to, or know that He is praying for us! ^^ It's in Romans somewhere... I forgot exactly where though! XD Anyways, yup~ God asks for faith, not works. He wants love, and obedience, but obedience from love~
PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:18 am


Well, I can see your torn between which to pick. Look up Islam and learn as much as you can about it. Same goes with Christianity. They taught you the basics, but to choose, you should learn more about both. And as been suggested, look into some guilds about these religions. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Search your soul as well while you look these up to see which one would fit you best. Don't rush when you turn 18 to make your choice. You have an entire lifetime, and with something as major as a religion, take some time.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:56 pm


Ricette
Well, I can see your torn between which to pick. Look up Islam and learn as much as you can about it. Same goes with Christianity. They taught you the basics, but to choose, you should learn more about both. And as been suggested, look into some guilds about these religions. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Search your soul as well while you look these up to see which one would fit you best. Don't rush when you turn 18 to make your choice. You have an entire lifetime, and with something as major as a religion, take some time.
Yup~ And in fact, it's really up to you when you would like to choose what religion you would like to follow. Not a certain age or deadline. But yeah, I would definitely check out some guilds about the religions~ You can gain much more insight on the religions from there~
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:51 pm


Sarcastic_Angel
As far as Catholic beliefs go, I know they worship God, Jesus, and include Mary and other Saints in their worship.


Okay, your Islam description was close enough (though the Shi'a and the Sunni conflict has become a lot more complex), but that last bit is just wrong. The Catholics pray to the Mary and the other saints, not worship them.

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The also believe that regular people can't talk to God, but must go through priests.


Also not true. You may be thinking of the Sacrament of Confession/Penance/Reconciliation, and although it is ultimately God who has the power to forgive, Jesus conferred this power to his Apostles (John 20:23), and they confer it to the Church (Peter was the first Pope...).

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We believe in what Jesus taught, that he is the way the truth and the life and the only way to get to heaven is to believe that he is the son of God and that he died for us.


Unbaptized babies?

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And may I suggest you look into different more indepth beliefs in both Islam and Christianity before you make the choice. I and others here can help with the Christian beliefs.


And also look at Wicca, Sikhism, Jainism, Judaism, Pastafarianism, Rastafarianism, Buddhism, Hindu, Druidism, Scientology, Bábism, Gnosticism, Sabianism, Mormonism, Ayyavazhi, Manichaeism, Yazdânism, Zoroastrianism, Caodaism, Chondogyo, Burkhanism, Taoism, Confucianism, Shinto, Yiguandao, Indigenous Mythologies (of the innumerable tribes of the world), Bön, Siberian Shamanism, Tengriism, Hellenism, prehistoric polytheism (like the Greek and Roman mythologies, Zeus and whatnot), Esotericism, Atheism, Agnosticism, Mysticism (Kabbalah type stuff), Kulam, Humanism, and the Bahá'í faith.

That should cover just about everything.

You can ask me or look on Wiki if you have any questions on those.

And anyone who has Catholicism questions really should ask me, though. I've gone to a Catholic Church every Sunday for the past 18 1/2 years (sickness in the family depriving, so I missed like 10-15 days...).

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:21 pm


Um... I have a booklet on all those different things that simply puts it all ^^; to not kinda over load you dear, would it be nice for me to scan and upload it? There are also a few in-depth yet fairly short and easily read articles on different religions, about God and such that it would be no issue to upload for you to look at.

((I highly recommend them, they are fantastic ^^))
PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:33 pm


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Also not true. You may be thinking of the Sacrament of Confession/Penance/Reconciliation, and although it is ultimately God who has the power to forgive, Jesus conferred this power to his Apostles (John 20:23), and they confer it to the Church (Peter was the first Pope...).


To his follwers, more so at the time. He speeks directly to my heart and I to him, I know His voice and I follow him. "For I know my redeemer lives", and he has spoken to me through many others.

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We believe in what Jesus taught, that he is the way the truth and the life and the only way to get to heaven is to believe that he is the son of God and that he died for us.


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Unbaptized babies?


Babies are innocent, not yet in sin or able to do so. With children, "for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these". I am not baptized yet, and know He has claimed me for his own and lives in me. Baptisim is simply a physical showing, since Christ has died, of our dieing with him and being born into new life. Thus, if you are innocent, or too young to know what is even going on when being baptized, it is just an action and none else.


I do not wish to turn this into a debate.

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IcarusDream

PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:20 pm


Angel of the End
Babies are innocent, not yet in sin or able to do so. With children, "for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these".


"All have sinned." At what point does one become part of this "all"? Babies die, and, seeing as death is the punishment for sin...hmmm. Romans 5.

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I am not baptized yet, and know He has claimed me for his own and lives in me. Baptisim is simply a physical showing, since Christ has died, of our dieing with him and being born into new life. Thus, if you are innocent, or too young to know what is even going on when being baptized, it is just an action and none else.


It is a necessity for all. Mark 16:16

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I do not wish to turn this into a debate.


Misinformation should be countered though, no? I mean, you wouldn't let me come in here saying that Christians are all horrible people or something, would you? Just as such, I will object to someone saying that Catholics worship the saints, or the claim that baptism isn't a part of salvation.

We can move our discussions to the debate forum, but I don't think that certain things should be left unaccounted for.
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