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 Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:44 am
I can see how the people that watch the anime think they're canon , but those who read the manga, why?
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:01 am
Well, We have a few Alucard and Seras shipper's left, such as Dita, who can still explain their stance on the matter.
3nodding
I've always been strictly AxI myself, so the most AxS I've ever had is maybe some unrequited love on Seras' side... I can easily go on about anime possibilities, but I can't come up with much for the manga, Tsuki, although as I said before, there are a few people here who can explain it.
*pokes pole options
If anything, it's the other way around.
If we call it romantic or platonic, Seras is still the one who wants a relationship with Alucard, and I think it really hurts her when he just leaves her on her own all the time.
Alucard basically sired her, and then dumped her expecting her to walk, when now she can barely crawl.
He does care for her, very much, but he's not that in touch with human emotions anymore, he doesn't understand her need for companionship, and he looks at this behavior as an annoyance...
At least that's how I feel on the matter.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:08 am
There isn’t much to back up the Alucard and Seras relationship.
There are many one sided moments, Seras longing for her master and there’s also Alucard’s mysterious interest in her.
You could argue that they are interested in one another ‘romantically’ or that they only strictly play the Master/Student roles and feelings are strictly platatonic.
I myself have always stated that I don’t see much romantic interest in the Original Anime, Manga and OVA. Alucard clearly wants Seras to evolve and grow as a vampire and he looks down on her. You get the feeling that he thinks of her as a Master feels for a dog that’s getting house trained and she gets a treat when she's done well.
That said, you still get the noticeable je ne sais quoi from their interactment, dialogue and the look they give each other.
So in the Hellsing reality, there is much to back up or oppose the couple, it goes both ways. A matter of opinion.
Personally, I’ve loved Alucard and Seras since the moment I read Hellsing back in 1999. Throughout the years I haven’t changed my mind and no other pairing has captivated or interested me.
The complexity and clash of personalities is very resourceful for fan made material. The pairing has a lot of potential of ending up together, not in the manga or OVA but in fan created material. The sincerity of their roles in a romantic relationship is realistic; you can read of them together without complaining about one being out of character or being bored by a complicated plotline.
I could go on but it really comes down to personal taste and opinion, there are many scenes in the manga that back up the pairing, but there's no point of me trying to change anyone's opinion.
Someone once said to me “A and S are next to each other in the keyboard, that’s all the proof I need” rolleyes
The greatest thing in Hellsing is that Hirano makes characters communication and dialogue so cheeky and forward that you can easily pair many characters together. Be it intentional or not, nothing is 100% fact. Fans can spend days arguing because there’s endless possibilities of the way a scene can be decipher and interpreted.
Alucard and Seras fans are a dying breed, either that or they are closeted. Am I the only one in this guild?
Suni, I agree and disagree with you. Undoubtedly Seras comes across as the one that wants Alucard, but as I’ve said in other posts, Alucard’s a romantic. There are hints, just hints that he is interested or that he wants to ‘play’.Sadictic and dominant tendencies rather than romantic actions.Such S/M and D/S actions and tendencies is the reason why I can see them growing on one another.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:44 am
Honestly, I always see Alucard as the receiving end of any kinky-ness...
I've never been able to put Seras into the picture when it comes to any of Alucard's little....ermmm.... quirks.
Of course, this is because I'm so into AxI, aswell as yaoi with Alucard and his past masters that there is no room for my mind for him to be anything but a little masochistic b*****d. whee
Sadistic towards people like Rip, perhaps, but Alucard and Seras......
Ah well, it's best I don't try to understand.
It's best that my AxS interest just sticks with that scenario that always played out in my head when I watched the OA: poor lonely Seras, and Alucard and Integra together.
(Didn't you get that vibe at the start of episode 11? Sure, we can say she just was a little surprised and had the respect to back off since she knew it was a private moment, but she also seemed a little too surprised. =/
....*runs away*
By the way, Dita, they aren't that much a dying breed: They are closeted.
None of them feel like they can survive in the world of AxI and PxS, which is rather true, AxS shippers are hounded at a scary level these days. xp
...Come on people, FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:52 pm
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:08 pm
I do believe this matter has been taken up a time or two before in other threads. Please check into those potential options for discussion before continuing in this new thread, thank you.
Kopii, I hope what you posted wan an error your computer gave you and not an insult to another member with no actual contribution to the thread.
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Sir_Catherine Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:14 pm
D:!
Oh sweet - man I thought I had copy and pasted something else >.
I was typing in a word doc and copying something from a site as well.
Actual thing I meant to type
~Ship who you like, it's nice to see someone who likes something not Yaoi for once~
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:17 pm
xd
I think that post took the cake for the strangest, most random post this guild has seen in a long time. It's not even Hellsing related, it's so seemingly random.
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Sir_Catherine Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:40 pm
Sir_Catherine xd
I think that post took the cake for the strangest, most random post this guild has seen in a long time. It's not even Hellsing related, it's so seemingly random. It's from this website actually http://www.mariowiki.com/FracktailI had been surfing a Mario wiki to get some data for what a friend and I were going to use for a final boss in a story we were writing :/ I musta gotten so excited I copy pasted the wrong thing here x_x
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:09 pm
Like most pairings in Hellsing, it all boils down to personal taste. Frankly, I don't care much about the couple and I personally disagree heavily on the fanon stance of "Seras has unrequited feelings about Alucard-crush on him" when Hirano has been more than clear that there's nothing more perfect in coupling than Seras and Pip. If there is any hypothetical unrequited feelings in the formula is of Alucard to Seras (this would be all my opinion).
Seras, at least Manga wise, shows zero interest in a romantic way to Alucard (which I concede they could exist in the Tv series and to a lesser extend, the OVA). Her feelings for Pip are serious and she has sexual tension/scenes with Integra, no less. While with Alucard? Is far easier to have him like/lust over anyone (Integra, Seras, the Queen, Anderson, Rip, Mina, etc), thus my belief the A->S is more likely than S->A.
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:21 pm
I thought there's already a thread on this.
anyway, AxS can be quite complicated at times. As for myself, I think of the AxS relationship as that of PhantomxChristine.
(no, I have not been watching too much PotO. ninja )
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:56 am
The PhantomxChristine? Fancy that, as a Leroux fan I disagree. If there is any relationship that resembles that (not in terms of personality but in their dynamic) is Alucard and Young Integra. Integra was a little impressionable girl whose father upon dying told her the ambiguous story of a protector who would be her salvation. She found out this protector was a rotting corpse and not a knight in shining armor. Replace that by angel of music watching over and you have Christine and the Phantom plus his unmasking by her.
While there is a lack of teacher/student dynamics (that could have existed when Integra was still young), Erik killed, blackmailed and threatened to make Christine a star and bowed to her feet in the novel. Alucard murdered Seras and tossed her to a world she had to struggle to keep her sanity while he does everything to make Integra a powerful "master" even to the point of wanting to murder to have her name slandered by Carlotta Maxwell.
The teacher/student dynamic between Alucard and Seras doesn't resemble at all the one between Erik and Christine. Alucard doesn't really kill or threaten others to make Seras stronger, he just "abandons her on the woods" and let her do her own thing.
Neither Integra nor Seras have Christine's personality, either. Thank God. I can't stand her character or the Erik/Christine couple (I used to but phandom AND the versions in which Erik's a hottie with a bad burn instead of somebody who looks like a rotting corpse without nose, made me head desk). blaugh
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:07 pm
MercifulShahrazad The PhantomxChristine? Fancy that, as a Leroux fan I disagree. If there is any relationship that resembles that (not in terms of personality but in their dynamic) is Alucard and Young Integra. Integra was a little impressionable girl whose father upon dying told her the ambiguous story of a protector who would be her salvation. She found out this protector was a rotting corpse and not a knight in shining armor. Replace that by angel of music watching over and you have Christine and the Phantom plus his unmasking by her. While there is a lack of teacher/student dynamics (that could have existed when Integra was still young), Erik killed, blackmailed and threatened to make Christine a star and bowed to her feet in the novel. Alucard murdered Seras and tossed her to a world she had to struggle to keep her sanity while he does everything to make Integra a powerful "master" even to the point of wanting to murder to have her name slandered by Carlotta Maxwell. The teacher/student dynamic between Alucard and Seras doesn't resemble at all the one between Erik and Christine. Alucard doesn't really kill or threaten others to make Seras stronger, he just "abandons her on the woods" and let her do her own thing. Neither Integra nor Seras have Christine's personality, either. Thank God. I can't stand her character or the Erik/Christine pairing. blaugh Okay, personally, I think you state Alucard and Seras' relationship a little harsher then it really is, although he did pretty much dump her and expect her to stand on two feet... BUT ANYWAY, I do agree with what you said on Alucard and Integra's relationship being much closer to Erik and Christines. As a PotO phanatic who's love ranges from Leroux's novel, to ALW's musical, and all things inbetween, I always try to keep quiet when people make Phantom related comparisons, especially ones to Hellsing. Some people can get away with making film comparisons, but since the novel holds a special place in my heart, I can't help but get a little testy when PotO is brought into things with only the movies dynamics in mind. Personally, I don't get why everyone hates Christine, I don't like her, but I don't hate her... Nor do I hate Raoul, as so many phans do, I find him to be rather down to earth, although I believe the Persian is the true hero of the story, if anyone tries to say there is a 'hero' type character, I get so sick of movies making Raoul into something he's not...Anyway, you worded it better then I could, thank you, Shahrazad. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:38 pm
Suni moon Okay, personally, I think you state Alucard and Seras' relationship a little harsher then it really is, although he did pretty much dump her and expect her to stand on two feet... This is because I see Alucard's actions during his meeting with Seras as one of the most callous things he has done yet. He murdered her in cold blood without an ounce of remorse and proceeded to toss her to a life he didn't wish his rival/enemy/nemesis would choose to live (ok, fine, she "chose" that but c'mon, he *begs* Anderson to reconsider and not forsake his humanity!). Sure, this doesn't mean he didn't admire her human spirit nor his affection for her later on, I think he does and greatly, he's a bloody git pretty much. Fandom usually keeps quiet about the injustice Alucard did to Seras (take away her life and dream which was being a cop) and is slightly outraging considering how vehement they are to point out his actions with his Nazis enemies (case point: Rip van Winkle) or Abraham's/Arthur's actions to him. Suni moon BUT ANYWAY, I do agree with what you said on Alucard and Integra's relationship being much closer to Erik and Christines. As a PotO phanatic who's love ranges from Leroux's novel, to ALW's musical, and all things inbetween, I always try to keep quiet when people make Phantom related comparisons, especially ones to Hellsing. Some people can get away with making film comparisons, but since the novel holds a special place in my heart, I can't help but get a little testy when PotO is brought into things with only the movies dynamics in mind. Personally, I don't get why everyone hates Christine, I don't like her, but I don't hate her... Nor do I hate Raoul, as so many phans do, I find him to be rather down to earth, although I believe the Persian is the true hero of the story, if anyone tries to say there is a 'hero' type character, I get so sick of movies making Raoul into something he's not...Quite right! And I'm not an Erik/Christine phan myself. I like the idea but their personalities together don't attract me? However, their relationship is closest to Alucard's and Young Integra's than to Alucard's and Seras', except without romance (subtext is another thing entirely) and less mentor/student which could have existed. Somebody had to teach her how to fence? I dislike Christine's dimness, often times, but I think she made a right choice and was very brave at the end. I should have worded this better, I dislike Christine until she grows up. I'm actually a Raoul phan (believe it or not) and I do like Erik as complex character. My favorite characters are Carlotta and the Persian! Yes, I agree with you there. Long live the Persian. Philippe/La Sorelli was my OTP in the phandom. heart Nice to meet another Leroux phan! biggrin
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:20 pm
I say that you're abit harsh mostly because I'm trapped in a land where the sun always shines, and Alucard and Seras have a rather strange, but still good, little platonic love.
However, whatever love there has indeed developed overtime through all the crap that's occurred.
Yes, quite true, Seras "chose"... Also known as being convinced there was no other way, but in reality Alucard was just making use of loopholes, because loopholes are the best thing since Integra and pre-packaged blood. rolleyes
However, I do not think that horrible thing he did was shooting Seras... It was what came later: dumping her.
Seras was pretty much dead in Chedder, yes, Alucard could have done something else to ensure her survival, and killing her was merely so he could have an heir, or so we presume.... HOWEVER, Seras would have come out of it in a bad state anyway. It was the second major traumatic experience in her life, I really don't think that any of her three possible outcomes could have turned out all that well. Of course, this is just my opinion.
(Note, the three outcomes are 1. Dying in Chedder, 2. Living, and 3. Alucard turning her.)
So I don't see him killing her in Chedder in such a dark light... but I DO hate what he did, or more appropriately, DIDN'T do after she was plunged into this mad world. I've heard many fans over the years complain about Seras being 'whiny'....
WELL MY GOD, She does have alot that's worth whining about. :/
So many Hellsing fans are as bad as Alucard: They just view Seras as some level of pathetic until she becomes a full-fledged vampire. ERR. WRONG.
>_>
<_<
Anyway, on the AxI front...
Almost all of Alucard's actions are entirely selfish, every 'good' thing he does has a purpose to make his miserable existence just abit better, and that's that.
In our comparison to PotO you said that Erik's desires for Christine where selfish, which is rather true, although in a way, I can't say I blame him...
Interestingly enough, on the Hellsing front, Alucard's actions for Integra are possibly the only non-selfish thing that he's ever actually done.
If you think for a moment you'll come to that conclusion...
Yeaaah, basically everything is for himself...
Yet many of his actions towards Integra, in the long term, are mostly for her benefit, and we all know what Alucard loyalty to her is like.
Turning Seras and leaving her as his heir was for Integra's benefit, and in the long term, Hellsing's benefit...
Of course, I suppose it hasn't been confirmed yet that this idea is actually canon, but I'm about 99.9% sure that it is. Yes, Seras was definitely meant to replace him.
Oh yes, and quite nice to know you're a phan. 3nodding
...You know, I used to hate Raoul, but that was when I was a total teeny phantard, but after re-reading the book when I was more mature, I started to like him quite abit....On day, when all is right in the world, a good director will come along and say "Heyy, I'm going to make a version of the story that actually follows the book, and has the Persian in it.... and did I mention follows the book?"
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