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Viscerim

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:26 am


I'm trying to mull over some gaps in my belief of deities. Right now I kind of feel like there is one spirit (that I affectionaly refer to as Animus) that embodies everything in a Pantheist sense, but at the same time I believe in many other Gods/Godesses. I'm wondering if they're not all part of the same being like we humans are, or if it's a divided being like slices of pizza. Has anyone else tackled this kind of an issue in their development? I theorized that perhaps the deities I looked to for help were me reaching through an archetype and finding my supreme underlying spirit being channeled through that archetype.

[As always, I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying I have holes in my structure here that I'm attempting to fill.]
PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:24 pm


I am a hard polytheist. I believe that each deity is a living, breathing entity with an independent mind, soul, etc. But, I also believe that there's sort of like a "spiritual DNA" that all the gods have in the same way as we have it.... I believe in two Creator deities, and that in some sort of way all the gods are descended from Them. If you turn to someone in Circle and say "Thou Art Goddess", for example, you're saying the Goddess is in them. Similarly I think there's an element in each deity of what one might term their Ultimate Divine Parents.

But yeah, the pizza slices thing is a fair analogy.

The idea of, for example, "All gods are one God, all goddesses are one Goddess" is soft polytheism. It can be done well, but I have a slight disapproval of it myself as it leads far too many people to treat the gods and their cultures without the respect they deserve. Not saying everyone does that, just too many people do that.

"Animus" is Latin for "mind" ^_^ "Anima" is Latin for "soul". You could have two, one male and one female mrgreen

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Mistreena

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:37 am


I think I know what you're saying, and it reminds me of a "story" I wrote once. It was the beginning of the world.
I'm not Christian, and don't believe in God, but my idea was that there was one supremem being who created the world out of energy that was just...floating around, or something. Anyways, there was the whole plants and dinosaurs and animals and evolution and finally humans. And this god found that some of his/her/its humans were better in different ways, and decided to give them power to rule different aspects of the world. That's how we got our different gods and goddesses. I've heard a Celtic story where human warriors turned to gods, which might have been where I got the idea. But it kinda makes sense.
I've always thought that this world is too big to be ruled by one deity alone, yet at the same time one ultimate power does seem to be right, in a way.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:10 pm


I've researched that Animus means Breath, Air, Life, Soul. Similar to spritus. Yet, I do find myself with two gods I especially look up to. My ruling deities are Thoth and Minerva.

I've never heard of 'soft' polytheism, but maybe I should look into that. Maybe I've got that, with a hint of pantheism. Thank you.

The idea of humans becoming gods gives me some more ideas to think about. Thank you too smile

Viscerim


Sanguina Cruenta

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:35 am


Viscerim
I've researched that Animus means Breath, Air, Life, Soul. Similar to spritus. Yet, I do find myself with two gods I especially look up to. My ruling deities are Thoth and Minerva.

I've never heard of 'soft' polytheism, but maybe I should look into that. Maybe I've got that, with a hint of pantheism. Thank you.

The idea of humans becoming gods gives me some more ideas to think about. Thank you too smile


So, are you interpreting Thoth and Minerva as living deities in their own right, or as archetypes or something?

**grabs Latin dictionary**

Anima, ~ae: wind, air; breath; life; soul, mind; ghost, spirit.
Animus, ~i: mind, soul; consciousness, reason, thought, opinion, imagination; heart, feelings, disposition; courage, spirit, passion... yada yada

They're two different words, rather than two forms of the same word, at least in the Latin I know. They're obviously synonymous, but in actual use, I think anima was more likely to apply to soul and animus to mind. I've done a couple of translations that used both words so the differences were important in those pieces, but in other texts they might use either, I suppose.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:16 pm


I'm not 100% about how it is I communicate with Minerva and Thoth. I guess I'm prone to see things similar to Plato's concept of forms, and that we are all the same energy, and that we are all one. So I theorize, for now anyway, that they are as independant as the rest of us, and that they more directly created me. Meanwhile, being a form, I also see them as an archetype of one energy. As you can see, my view is certainly not complete. That is why I am curious of other viewpoints.

I find that you are correct about Anima vs. Animus. They are synonymous with subtle yet significant differences. Yet, I feel good about my decision in name. Thank you for your clarification though.

Viscerim


Sanguina Cruenta

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:07 pm


Hey, it's not often Latin is useful xd I like to take advantage of it when I can.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:45 pm


My diety concept is very left field and I am not sure just what you would call it. Soft polytheism with a twist, perhaps?
I basically beleive that there is a divine energy that runs through everything, a silvery thread of spiritual energy, that is part of everything.
A connectivity. As it is difficult to relate to a silver thread, I chose to see worship it as a male and female entities. I use many names to call them by depending time of year or need. The names I use have nothing to do with ancient mythologies, though some of the names were inspired by liturature, they all have one thing in common, I chose them because they are names that instantly conjure for me the essence of the God and Goddess I know, it is merely the name that helps get me to the spiritual place I want to be.

For Winter and early Spring I call on the White Lady Alowen (not sure where I got the name just works for me) She is both death and birth, she is the healing, restorative slumber of death and the joy and innocence of childhood. Late Spring through Summer is Dahaun The Lady of the Green Silences, a mother, nurturer, healer, protector. She is every changing her hair, eyes and skin in constant flow between all the races of humankind. Shimmering quality. She is based off of and named for a Character in a book called Songsmith. In Late Summer Early Autumn we move on to Gunnora, the Amber Lady (not really a character but referenced in Songsmith) she is my crone goddess, that of wisdom from experience, the grandmother, the hag, she can be dark and cruel, or sweet and kind depending on what is needed at the time.
For my Gods
Late Winter and Spring is Karsh, again the name is just one I heard that suits the energy. I see him as a brash, young, energetic sometimes arrogant young man. Full of vigor and drive. Strong emotion, good for getting things going. Not so good for thinking ahead.
Summer is Kyllyan, he is a father god, protector who stands side by side with Dahaun. Strong warrior, but more settled, and cautious than Karsh.
Autumn and Early Winter is Kizzney the wise (a**) old man, the sage. He has a quirky sense of humor, an odd way of teaching lessons, very powerful, and likes to sit back and marvel and chuckle at the headstrong ways of youth.
These are all based off of archetypes and I by no means wrote the entire descriptions I have for them, (I spent three years working on this, I have two journals dedicates solely to them.) I chose to do this way so as not to disrespect the many wonderful cultures of the world or their Deities. (My adopted brother is Lakota Sioux, and in his quest to reclaim his heritage one of the things he learned was that the leaders of his tribe were not fond of the neo pagans who were taking bits and pieces of their culture and using it out of context. When I started on this path I kept that in mind.) This is what is right for me, and I don’t claim it to be right for anyone else.
I know, I am crazy. Thank You and Goodnight.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:55 pm


Sounds sorta like... soft ditheism, or false ditheism or something. *shrug*

On a partially related topic, I've never understood why people worship archetypes or deities they don't really believe in. If you believe that, essentially, there is just one deity, why do you bother interpreting that deity in two forms? Why not just worship that one deity? Okay, it might be difficult to relate to, but why is creating structures around it helpful? Would that, in a way, make it more difficult to relate to?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:47 pm


I do it as Pantheism/Polytheism/Monotheism because I feel it is similar to light.

On the one hand, I believe there is one energy, but that this one energy is within and around everything, including reality. This would be like the white light. Truly it is the most pure, and the brightest, and I do look to just that white light sometimes. However, If you slow it down to look at it, the white light only has all of its glory because of the many colors it is made of. My intention is to be closer to what I believe and understand as divinity. Thus, I feel like I have to know it in every place the spectrum can be. Granted, it is obviously infinite, but I feel that I have a better understanding when I can see all the parts and the whole as well.

It is a matter of relating to it better, but it is more a matter of understanding the characteristics thoroughly and individually.

Also, I believe it would be like an alien looking down at the earth. To look down, you can grasp the structure of human nature fairly well, but unless you experience a corrupt city, a peaceful monestary, a fisherman's boat, a tribe, etc... you only see the bare bones, and not the true intricacies.

In a nutshell, I don't believe the whole is equal to the sum of its parts.

Viscerim


Ascended_Samster

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:33 am


Ok I have a lot to say on this subject that I probably won't be able to get down! *sigh* ok.

I would say of any of the dieties, I'd associate with Thoth, because he was an ascended master(samster?) and because he was the king of Atlantis, apparently.

But in reality I am not pantheist, or anything like that.. I'm purely non dualistic as I can be, in a seemingly dualistic universe.

I could probably have a stroke talking about this stuff so I'm gonna go now, considering I have little time left on this library computer also.


Oh and *hits Viscerim with The Dissapearance of The Universe by Bob Frissel*
PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:34 pm


Thanks for the suggestion.

If you are looking for a book to rock your world, I would recommend The Holographic Universe. biggrin

And by the way, you just made me stumble into a website that is AMAZING. In fact, it will give me muuuuuuch, much more to meditate on.

[edit] Oh no, I just wikipediaed that book, and some of the ideas sound dead-on to what I'm thinking... so I have homework now smile

Viscerim


Sanguina Cruenta

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:02 pm


Ascended_Samster
Ok I have a lot to say on this subject that I probably won't be able to get down! *sigh* ok.

I would say of any of the dieties, I'd associate with Thoth, because he was an ascended master(samster?) and because he was the king of Atlantis, apparently.


neutral question

Godchecker
THOTH: Well-known God with the head of an Ibis. He's a good all-rounder for Arts, Science, Music, Astronomy, Speech and Letters. A good egg. Thoroughly recommended.

If ever a God was greater than great it was THOTH. In one translation his name is prefixed with the word 'great' no less than eight times. Thith may have helped to reduce the embarrathment cauthed by having a name that lookth like a lithp.

His resume seems too impressive to be true — but most of the facts speak for themselves. He is the master of time, mathematics, astronomy, readin', writin', 'rithmatic — and almost anything else you can point a pair of dividers at.

365 days in a year? Thank THOTH (see AAH for the full story). 12 hours of day and 12 hours of night? Thank THOTH. Circles having 360 degrees? Thank THOTH.

His bestselling BOOK-OF-THE-DEAD is still in print and you will never be able to hitch-hike to Heaven on the Nile without it.

He does have his eccentricities — he sometimes likes to revert back to the good old OGDOAD days and appear as a baboon. Not just any old baboon, but one that could have written the complete works of Shakespeare before Shakespeare existed. (Now there's an idea — it's always been known that Shakespeare could hardly write his own name let alone spell it, so who really wrote all those plays that bearded scene-shifter claimed as his own?) In the custom of the times he chose the head of an Ibis with a fancy wig for those high-flying occasions.

Encouraging RA to call himself Top God left THOTH free to run just about everything without any fuss or hassle. Pocket calculators? THOTH used the whole firmament, available to all on a grand scale. Think Sky.

To make it easier, all the stars and planets required for calculation are associated with favourite Gods. Need to work something out via Sirius? Log in and have HATHOR guide you. Need the moon for phases, time or tides? Go to THOTH; he chose to be Top Moon God alongside his best buddy KHONSU.

Cool, modest, unflappable, and a brilliant arbitrator, THOTH has stood the test of time, time and time again. Full ticks and tocks to this tip-top God.

He was also known to Greek God geeks as Hermes Trismegistus, possibly to avoid talking with a lisp.



Ah, I see. Bloody Greeks combining Hermes with Thoth. Very odd.

I'm not sure I approve, Greeks. cool
PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:13 pm


Viscerim
Thanks for the suggestion.

If you are looking for a book to rock your world, I would recommend The Holographic Universe. biggrin

And by the way, you just made me stumble into a website that is AMAZING. In fact, it will give me muuuuuuch, much more to meditate on.

[edit] Oh no, I just wikipediaed that book, and some of the ideas sound dead-on to what I'm thinking... so I have homework now smile


Yeah I was hoping that you'd get something out of it! It seemed like something down your path.. Which website did you stumble upon?

Ascended_Samster


Viscerim

PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:34 am


After investing the whole website, I decided it's embarassing, and I am certainly not listing it lol. What is phenomenal about it and gave me plenty to think about any how, is a picture someone drew. The picture was for the temple of Thoth in atlantis. This picture contained a lot of similarities to certain dreams a friend and I have had. It wasn't perfect, but there were some striking details. Gives me a little hope that others are getting glimpses of this place in their dreams. By-the-way, where did you hear of Thoth having to do with Atlantis? I can't really find much information about that. I found a lot of the same stuff Sanguina-chan posted though.

Thank you Sanguina-chan for that thorough description of Thoth. I'm not so sure I would credit him for all of that, but I think he's a pretty good role model to say the least. As far as the greeks taking the God and renaming it, Eddy Izzard has a pretty good ramble about that. If you ever get bored enough, check him out (if you haven't already), he's one of the few smart comedians out there.
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