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NoLifeKing66

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:55 am


A lot of Hellsing fans have been disappointed by the various plot twists Hirano has thrown into his story in his more recent chapters, and I thought it'd be interesting to see how the fans might have done it differently.


Here are my rules:

1) Explain how Hirano has disappointed you and why.
2) Post a short summary of how you would have done things differently.
3) Ignore as many of Hirano's chapters as you have to.
4) No CRACK endings. There's another thread for those.
5) Feel free to comment on other people's endings.

I'm not an admin, so I can't enforce these rules. I can only ask you to follow them.

I also thought we could make a contest out of it in which guild members could vote for their favorite ending. Let me know what you think.


Here is my ending:

Hirano has disappointed me by revealing THE SHI to be Mina Harker because Hirano has already said, through Van Helsing, that Mina Harker was freed from Dracula's curse. I also feel that THE SHI was more interesting as a nameless, faceless monster.

If I could have done things differently, I would have done everything that Hirano did in Chapter 94 except revealing THE SHI to be Mina Harker's skeleton. I would have had Integra and Seras arrive in the Doctor's laboratory in time to see Walter kill him. Integra and Seras would learn from a dying Walter that he is still a loyal servant of Hellsing. Integra and Seras would then mourn Walter's death. Meanwhile, the Doctor's blood would revive THE SHI.

In Chapters 95, 96, and 97, and 98 (all of which would be quite short), I would have had one final battle (Integra and Seras vs. THE SHI). The battle would begin in the Doctor's laboratory, but quickly move out of the zeppelin and into ruins of London. During the battle, THE SHI would display some incredible, interesting powers. In Chapter 99, Integra and Seras would ultimately triumph, spurred on by some memory of Alucard. Integra would play the biggest part in the battle and, in the end, deliver the killing blow (because Integra's victory over THE SHI would parallel Abraham Van Helsing's victory over Dracula and prove, once and for all, that humans are always the ones who defeat monsters).

In the final chapter (Chapter 100), Sir Islands and Rob Walsh speak to the Queen about the situation in London. I would have had a scene in which Sir Islands proudly proclaims that Integra was victorious, followed by a scene in which Integra and Seras are rescued from the ghoul-infested city, followed by a scene in which London is destroyed by the nuke that was first mentioned 25 chapters ago.

I would end Hellsing with Integra and Seras sharing a short conversation. The final panel would depict the sunrise.


I'm not saying that this ending is better than whatever Hirano has planned. I'm simply saying that this is how I would have ended it.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:47 pm


The only thing that bothered me was the fate of Alucard.

If I had done things differently:
Schro wouldn't be needed...that is all

Alucard sucking up everyone's blood, in which he becomes way too powerful, breaking the seal that constricted his power. Of course Integra kills the Major, and the Major is happy not because of the war but of the fate of humanity on a thread because of Hellsing's "Crowned Glory".
Heinkel gets killed by Alucard, and Integra tries to command him, but doesn't get through to the part of him that wasn't "monsterous". SERAS AND ALUCARD BATTLE!! While they battle, Integra finds Walter and Doc dead, but skeleton mina is there, but with lots of notes and a sample of her blood that could stop Alucard (An antidote for Vampires to be mortal, so any critical blow could kill him). Seras ends up in the mouth of Alucard as he drinks her remaining life source, Integra racing to the Battlefield fills one of the bullet casings with the blood sample she found. Seras is dead and becomes one of Alucard's familiars. Integra and Alucard stand toe to toe with each other. "Stop this madness, Alucard!" she screams to the top of her lungs. "Not until you show me what you can do, ATTACK ME!!" Alucard tries to find an open shot but Integra won't let that happen, finally she find an opening and fires her gun with the "poisoned" bullet and hits Alucard in the arm. Knowing this shot will only make him mortal she would have to yet again give him one more critical blow before he dies. They have a human-human fight with a sword/gun-gun/gun display, and feeling the effects of the poison, he realizes he has lost. Integra penetrates the sword through his torso, and Alucard falls to the ground. "Have I been...bested, Sir." Integra's final words to Alucard is "Yes you have been bested." and Integra sheds a tear and conquers Alucard with a wooden stake through the heart.

The Hellsing Organization(without Integra), the Last Battalion, and the Iscariot Organization cease to exist, leaving London to regain its strength once more.

how was that? biggrin I could expand it more but my attention span right now is null and void burning_eyes

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:01 am


Well, personally, I think it should end like the link in my signature...

I honestly can't come up with a good answer, since, well, the entire series has jumped the shark for me :/ it's only because of my friends on this guild and the rather sane people of the fandom (and... Rip Van Winkle) that keep me interested...
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:47 pm


If you ask me, your rules are too strict. But I'm about to risk being flamed and tell you my honest to goodness alternate ending for Hellsing that I know Hirano would never write in a million years, yet I think is precious and I would not hesitate to do if by some ironic twist of fate I got the rights to Hellsing (try to conceal your gasp of horror).

I've been disappointed with Hellsing ever since Bernedotte died. Though I know it's an integral part of the storyline, it has none the less stood out as a negative turning point in my Hellsing fandom. Ever since after that I have been constantly disappointed with the series in one way or another, though I know that I could offer no better alternate storyline, and so that does not matter in the least. What I will comment on is my alternate ending post-Major's war, and what I would have liked to see happen.

I would have very much liked for Integra to have gotten over Alucard, fallen in love, gotten married and had children; not for the sake of the Hellsing Organization, but for the sake of her own happiness. Though outwardly Integra accomplished much in life, I cannot imagine that inwardly she was happy pinning away for Alucard for those 30 long years. (This statement will undoubtedly spark some powerful opposition, which I will be happy to address when such statements are made). Basically I would have the entire series stay the same up till Integra's dialogue with Alucard toward the end of the last chanper. Based on the Hiranomoe team's translation (I'm sure Dark Horse will word it differently):

Integra: Too late. You're too late, Alucard.
Alucard: I'm sorry.
...
Integra: I am... already an old grandma.
Alucard: That's fine with me.
Integra: Good. I need a new nanny.
Alucard: Huh?

And then I would have Seras come busting in the room (excluding the panty shot) screaming like a banshee, her shadow arm flailing behind her and a few small children at her heels. She would complain loudly about how naughty they're being, and then Integra would chastise them softly and they would immediately shape up and behave. They would then notice Alucard, Seras crying “Master!” happily and the children pointing to him asking “Who’s that?” Integra would then announce that it’s long past their bedtime and ask Seras to please escort the children back to the nursery (using her shadow arm to herd them out of the room xd ). Integra would stare affectionately after them long after they leave, and Alucard would stare at Integra with an unreadable expression on his face. Eventually she would look at him.

Integra: I told you you’re too late, Alucard.
Alucard: ... I can see that now.
Integra: Is that fine with you?
Alucard (unreadable smile): ... Who can say for sure?

THIS IS NOT A CRACK ENDING!!!

I'll pound anyone who says it is. Okay, Ja, it's a sucky ending I know, but that's what I would honestly do if I had my way. I think Integra would be a great mom, grandma and even great-grandma; for the child(ren)'s sake and not just for the sake of creating an heir to the Hellsing bloodline. As stated earlier, Integra is nobody's brood mare, yet I can't think that she would be altogether unhappy with an upstanding human man and raising a family (though for some reason I picture her being a widow more than a wife sweatdrop ). Plus I have some fun fantasies of Seras being the children's nanny, playing with them in the nursery while Integra watches proudly, using her shadow arm as a makeshift craddle for infants and something fun for toddlers to climb on, etc etc.

Yeah, I'm weird. I've spent too much time with my own siblings, it's bleeding into Hellsing. All right, do your worst. *Bares chest forward like Andromeda to the sea monster*

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:50 pm


ShadowsHeir
If you ask me, your rules are too strict. But I'm about to risk being flamed and tell you my honest to goodness alternate ending for Hellsing that I know Hirano would never write in a million years, yet I think is precious and I would not hesitate to do if I got the rights to Hellsing by some ironic twist of fate (try to conceal your gasp of horror).

I've been disappointed with Hellsing ever since Bernedotte died. Though I know it's an integral part of the storyline, it has none the less stood out as a negative turning point in my Hellsing fandom. Ever since after that I have been constantly disappointed with the series in one way or another, though I know that I could not offer a better alternate storyline, and so that does not matter in the least. What I will comment on is my alternate ending post-Major's war, and what I would have liked to see happen.

I would have very much liked for Integra to have gotten over Alucard, fallen in love, gotten married and had children; not for the sake of the Hellsing Organization, but for the sake of her own happiness. Though outwardly Integra has accomplished much in life, I cannot imagine that inwardly she was happy pinning away for Alucard for those 30 long years. (This statement will undoubtedly spark some powerful opposition, which I will be happy to address when such statements are made). Basically I would have the entire series stay the same up till Integra's dialogue with Alucard toward the end of the last chanper. Based on the Hiranomoe team's translation (I'm sure Dark Horse will word it differently):

Integra: Too late. You're too late, Alucard.
Alucard: I'm sorry.
...
Integra: I am... already an old grandma.
Alucard: That's fine with me.
Integra: Good. I need a new nanny.
Alucard: Huh?

And then I would have Seras come busting in the room (excluding the panty shot) screaming like a banshee, her shadow arm flailing behind her and a few small children at her heels. She would complain loudly about how naughty they're being, and then Integra would chastise them softly and they would shape up and behave immediately. They would then notice Alucard, Seras crying “Master!” happily and the children pointing to him asking “Who’s that?” Integra would then announce that it’s long past their bedtime and ask Seras to please escort them back to the nursery (using her shadow arm to herd them out of the room xd ). Integra would stare affectionately after them long after they leave, and Alucard would stare at Integra with an unreadable expression on his face. Eventually she would look at him.

Integra: I told you you’re too late, Alucard.
Alucard: ... I can see that now.
Integra: Is that fine with you?
Alucard (unreadable smile): ... Who can say for sure?

THIS IS NOT A CRACK ENDING!!!

I'll pound anyone who says it is. Okay, Ja, it's a sucky ending I know, but that's what I would honestly do if I had my way. I think Integra would be a great mom, grandma and even great-grandma; for the child(ren)'s sake and not just for the sake of creating an heir to the Hellsing bloodline. As stated earlier, Integra is nobody's brood mare, yet I can't think that she would be altogether unhappy with an upstanding human man and raising a family (though for some reason I picture her being a widow more than a wife sweatdrop ). Plus I have some fun fantasies of Seras being the children's nanny, playing with them in the nursery while Integra watches proudly, using her shadow arm as a makeshift craddle for infants and something fun to climb on for toddlers, etc etc.

Yeah, I'm weird. I've spent too much time with my own siblings, it's bleeding into Hellsing. All right, do your worst. *Bares chest forward like Andromeda to the sea monster*


It's not crack, it's an acceptable, and somewhat cute ending; something promising... but not too fluffy. I like it a lot *gets tazer arm and musket and stands next to Shad to act as bodyguard*
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:59 pm


Kopii Arnaert
It's not crack, it's an acceptable, and somewhat cute ending; something promising... but not too fluffy. I like it a lot *gets tazer arm and musket and stands next to Shad to act as bodyguard*

YAY!!! blaugh Ich liebe Kopii! heart

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:07 pm


ShadowsHeir
Kopii Arnaert
It's not crack, it's an acceptable, and somewhat cute ending; something promising... but not too fluffy. I like it a lot *gets tazer arm and musket and stands next to Shad to act as bodyguard*

YAY!!! blaugh Ich liebe Kopii! heart


Very welcome; in fact, it is juuuuust crack enough to be something Hirano might do.

But like I said, I screw over Hiranos ending and substitute yours ^_^
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:11 pm


Kopii Arnaert
ShadowsHeir
Kopii Arnaert
It's not crack, it's an acceptable, and somewhat cute ending; something promising... but not too fluffy. I like it a lot *gets tazer arm and musket and stands next to Shad to act as bodyguard*

YAY!!! blaugh Ich liebe Kopii! heart


Very welcome; in fact, it is juuuuust crack enough to be something Hirano might do.

But like I said, I screw over Hiranos ending and substitute yours ^_^

Danke! 4laugh

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:53 pm


The only thing that miffed me about this chapter was the new Iscariot leader. Before the translation, I'd gotten my hopes up for a sensible, SANE person to lead Iscariot who might actually want genuine peace between Catholics and Protestants. BUT NO, he's just making peace until Iscariot is strong enough to fight again.

So, that's my only disappointment really. Genuinely friendly relations between Hellsing and Iscary would've made me super happy.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:03 pm


The biggest reason that Hirano disappointed me was because Walter died instead of going back to working for Hellsing. I was also kind of sad that Integra didn't let Alucard turn her into a vampire, which would have been really cool.

In my ideal ending of Hellsing, Walter would rejoin Seras and Integra after the Doctor's death. He and Integra would embrace, he would apologize for everything and then they'd all go back to the Hellsing mansion. The last chapter would feature less comedic panels, and it would reveal that Integra and Seras had been having lesbian relations for the past 30(?) years. And during the scene where Alucard tries to bite Integra's neck, she would give in instead of shooting him. Then all four of the Hellsing organization's key players would be vampires and it would be implied that they would all continue defending England from other evil threats and live happily ever after.

THE END

(This isn't crack, by the way. That's honestly how I would have liked it to end.)

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:47 am


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The only thing that miffed me about this chapter was the new Iscariot leader. Before the translation, I'd gotten my hopes up for a sensible, SANE person to lead Iscariot who might actually want genuine peace between Catholics and Protestants. BUT NO, he's just making peace until Iscariot is strong enough to fight again.

So, that's my only disappointment really. Genuinely friendly relations between Hellsing and Iscary would've made me super happy.


If Iscariot made peace with Hellsing, then it wouldn't be Iscariot anymore. stare


Anyway, now that I've made peace with Hirano's ending, I have another idea that I'd like to share with the guild.

If I were Hirano, I would have developed Alucard's love for Mina a little bit more. I think that, although Alucard's love for Mina may have been referenced on more than one occassion, the fact that Mina herself was never mentioned by name makes the references much more obscure. Only two of them (the one in Volume 4 and the one in Volume 7) are known to refer specifically to Mina. The others (which mention either someone he loved or someone who loved him) could easily be interpreted as referring to someone else (although I suppose that's the point, since they are referring not only to Mina, but also to Integra).

In any case, I think Mina's sudden appearance would have been much more dramatic if we had some sense of who she was and what she really meant to Alucard. I think a single flashback would have been enough. If I were Hirano, I would have inserted the flashback into the final chapter. I would have had Alucard standing and looking over Integra's bed, and then I would have segued into a flashback between Alucard adnd Mina. Finally, I would have segued back into Alucard attempting to sink his teeth into Integra's neck, then let the chapter continue as usual. I think a flashback would have confirmed the parallels between Mina and Integra and reinforced the romantic feeling of the chapter.

What do you guys think?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:46 am


I disagree. Personally, ideas of romantic relations between Dracula and Mina... always make me gag abit.

Hellsing was more romanticized in this aspect, rather similar to the film Bram Stokers Dracula... However, since Hirano left it vague, I can be free to interpret their relationship in a bit less of a romantic light, as it should be. Because by the novel, there isn't really a romantic love between them. =/
Dracula just doesn't do things that way.

....As for Alucards relationship for Integra,
One might say that what I just said makes it hypocritical to say that he has something with Integra, but I believe that the past hundred years have opened his eyes again to who he was, and who he wishes to be once more.
Therefore, I think it's appropriate to have AxI, but less fluffy on the Dracula and Mina side of things....


Also, your idea of a flashback before he tries to bite her leaves me with a kinda sour taste in my mouth. XD
Y'see, With an ending like that I'd feel as if Integra was merely a replacement for Mina.

(Or, dare I say it, what if just like the Gary Oldman movie... Mina's a reincarnation of Elisabeta... and Integra's a reincarnation of Mina/Elisabeta aswell? Eww, no, DO NOT WANT. XD )

I believe what Alucard has with Integra is an entirely new thing, or at least something that he hasn't had for a few hundred years.


So yeah.





Also, regarding Iscariot... I myself would've liked peace, but not a full peace. The peace I invision is a truce, a real truce, for the sake of Europe, but that doesn't mean that they stand eachother in the least.
I could see, perhaps.... one or two Iscariots being able to get along with Hellsing better then the others, but overall it's rocky terrain, but much more solid then it was years ago. 3nodding

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:29 pm


NoLifeKing66
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The only thing that miffed me about this chapter was the new Iscariot leader. Before the translation, I'd gotten my hopes up for a sensible, SANE person to lead Iscariot who might actually want genuine peace between Catholics and Protestants. BUT NO, he's just making peace until Iscariot is strong enough to fight again.

So, that's my only disappointment really. Genuinely friendly relations between Hellsing and Iscary would've made me super happy.


If Iscariot made peace with Hellsing, then it wouldn't be Iscariot anymore. stare


Exactly, which would be an improvement, in my humble opinion.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:23 am


Suni moon
I disagree. Personally, ideas of romantic relations between Dracula and Mina... always make me gag abit.

Hellsing was more romanticized in this aspect, rather similar to the film Bram Stokers Dracula... However, since Hirano left it vague, I can be free to interpret their relationship in a bit less of a romantic light, as it should be. Because by the novel, there isn't really a romantic love between them. =/
Dracula just doesn't do things that way.


I've always thought that Alucard's feelings for Mina were ambiguous, but I've also thought that Alucard's feelings for Integra were ambiguous. After discussing this issue with Thess, I'm inclined to think that it is quite possible, perhaps even probable, that Alucard had a romantic relationship with Mina.

Here's what Thess said in response to my comment that "I think it's so subtle that you can hardly even tell it's there. I think that, in order to see it, you have to really want to see it. I don't think it's obvious at all," which I posted in the Hiranomoe forums:

Thess
I disagree, volume 4&7&9. The author even *told us* Dracula/Alucard wanted a woman in narrative (and THAT was his purpose of the journey to London, past and present), Abraham/Arthur made reference to a woman he wouldn't have (Abraham) and loved (Arthur). Although Mina's feelings for him were ambiguous at best, his for Mina were obvious. They aren't thrown into our face like Coppola did (edgas), just a reference and makes it clear to confirm it. It's 10 volumes, you can't just stop in a lengthy PAST romantic subplot in an action series. The romance's there, subtle because it's not just mentioned a lot & obvious because it's flat out TOLD his feelings/goal was (even by the author), let the fanfic authors take it. We know his feelings, we don't know how he went for them (it was his wild days, before he learned how to be a "man" again, he blew it. Frankly).


I can imagine Mina's feelings for Alucard allowing her to be openly passionate, especially considering that openly passionate behavior was so often suppressed in the Victorian Era, and I can imagine Alucard's feelings for Mina helping him to feel like a man again, guiding him toward his eventual redemption. Of course, I can also imagine Mina's feelings for Alucard being nearly nonexistent and Alucard's feelings for Mina being much more obsessive than romantic.

It is open to interpretation, but I don't think the idea of a romantic relationship is inappropriate or even farfetched.


Suni moon
....As for Alucards relationship for Integra,
One might say that what I just said makes it hypocritical to say that he has something with Integra, but I believe that the past hundred years have opened his eyes again to who he was, and who he wishes to be once more.
Therefore, I think it's appropriate to have AxI, but less fluffy on the Dracula and Mina side of things....


You're right, of course. Alucard has changed a lot since Mina. But, as I said, Mina may have been the one who began that change, just as Integra was the one who ended it.



Suni moon
Also, your idea of a flashback before he tries to bite her leaves me with a kinda sour taste in my mouth. XD
Y'see, With an ending like that I'd feel as if Integra was merely a replacement for Mina.

(Or, dare I say it, what if just like the Gary Oldman movie... Mina's a reincarnation of Elisabeta... and Integra's a reincarnation of Mina/Elisabeta aswell? Eww, no, DO NOT WANT. XD )

I believe what Alucard has with Integra is an entirely new thing, or at least something that he hasn't had for a few hundred years.


That's merely your interpretation. I don't look at it that way. In my eyes, Integra is a parallel, not a replacement. In my experience with women, not one of them is a replacement for another. In spite of all the qualities they may share, all women are unique.


Suni moon
Also, regarding Iscariot... I myself would've liked peace, but not a full peace. The peace I invision is a truce, a real truce, for the sake of Europe, but that doesn't mean that they stand eachother in the least.
I could see, perhaps.... one or two Iscariots being able to get along with Hellsing better then the others, but overall it's rocky terrain, but much more solid then it was years ago. 3nodding


Iscariot is so fanatical that they'd kill Jesus himself if his preachings opposed their doctrine. That kind of fanaticism does not allow for a truce or for toleration.

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