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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:50 pm
Okay don't flame me, I know the process has probably been over a million times, but it still kind of interests me.
Time is an amazing thing, and I'm wondering how it would effect people if we could actually time travel. If you went into time say, 1950- 2005, who would be in 1950? And couldn't you meet up with you'reself?
Any ways theres this cycle which I can't remember and it's hard to explain, but I'm wondering, If you were about to go into time how would you know it was the first time? You are changing time here so it's already happened. But how do you know if its FIRST or not... xd
Edit: Spelled meet wrong. xD
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:43 pm
well, in Kabbalah/Qabalah,/Ka blah blah
they teach of various types of time.
First, there is the mrotal level of time, above this is hyper time. This is a type of time known to a spiritual world. above this is Atzilut Time, or God's time, (or if there is a higher time, we do not know of it).
these are aspects of a looking glass, sort of like things suspended in glass. Like in a movie, the experience of characters seems real, but when you hit eject, its all a single rainbow.
At a quantum level, all those little photons are moving aroundf in waves, and the molecules have fermions and bosons which themselves are far more complex than nanites in a Terminator Movie.
So there's a lot of this disparaging concept of motion and non motion. If nothing moved, who would care if time passed?
Time does not exist in a measure of frames, as many would like to portray, but myriad layers and ratios. It is with the creation of numerical value as a measure, that time frames become clear, and stupidity (delusion) begins.
It would seem that Atzilut Time may be connected to the concept of Motion, and defining Energy, as an absolute. If you look at Decision as an entitu, and motion as an action, void of measure,
then you could start to establish a God-language.
I. - self declaration
I (decision) throw (action) -
I (decision) threw (action + time)
"I threw a ball"
before a decision is made, there is intellctualization of the notion of the avaiable options.
The options are components of the vast "Ain Sof" or "everything" aka possibilites, each equal.
so you have identity,
identity represent SELF-AWARENESS. The key point here is AWARENESS, which is perception.
So, essentially, you have
1. EXISTENCE 2. PERCEPTION OF EXISTENCE 3. CONTEMPLATION OF PERCEPTION = AWARENESS
awareness therefore involves internal reception, sort of like RADAR. A RADAR device is an example of awareness, sending out signal, but primarily indicating what it receives.
a dog for example, is aware. A tree is aware. Are they self aware? Perhaps not, or if they do, not in the level that we perceive with self awareness. When your awareness turns inward, and ask a question about the OBSERVER of EXISTENNCE, it is a form of self reflection. A Form of AWARENESS 9being perception) of the OBSERVER (self) As Plato quoted Socrates as saying "A Spectator of All Time and Existence"
4. SELF AWARENESS
realize at this point that there are two types of DECISIONS. decisions in which the observer is aware, and decisions in which the observer is not aware. For example, a cat may look at a you, but does it know it is looking at you? Many philosophers say no, although Eye contact often conflicts in the animal kingdom.
You might be able to perceive this idea like breathing. Intellectually you are taught that you are breathing, but before that time, you only notice you are breathing some of the time, but if you werent breathing all of the time, you would be dead.
So the idea of Decisions, and CHOICE, comes in two forms: Conscious and Unconscious. Until the OBSERVER reaches stage 4, Conscious Decisions are impossible, but Decisions in general, are NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
From the procession for self awareness and conscious action, you get into the Atzilut aspects of time. Cause/effect. similar/different, equal/unequal, and so forth.
Since any action in the material world where we perceive time is essentially a manipulation of the material, and the material is merely a bundle of motion, we ask a really simple question:
what is motion.
It is an event, which has a rate, a velocity (space/time), or a start/finish (like catching a ball).
Now, if your body is made of matter, and it is send backward in time, would that have any effect other than rewinding its motion?
Would not a plant grow backward out of existence? On a quantum level, all the motions would be stopping and reversing. Thats because technically, you are a big pile of mometum, sort of like when you throw a pebble in the pond, the ripples just keep going and going, till they hit the end.
Hypothetically then, the only decent way to travel backwards in time, would be to consciously step out of your physical and then rewind the whole universe. If you attempted to take actions in the "past" the present would simply turn out differently, but the effect would be complete and total, sort of like adding drops of dye into a magic snow ball with the pretty sparklies.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:19 am
Well....Thank you for that little bit of enlightenment..
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:37 am
XxX-Hellz-XxX Well....Thank you for that little bit of enlightenment.. no problem. one of theconclusions, is that Quantum Leap is strangely the most accurate portrayal of Time travel, in the idea that you can't go materially back. The concept of Paradox can be perceived from two perspectives. 1. we could use mental alteration of our past to physcially alter our current reality similar to psychokinesis or reality warping, 2. by recalling that dreams and sometimes visions include both the past and the future, it could be said that everything that has happened already happened as well as in the future, and the future effects the past as much as the past effects the future, but since these are both happening all the time, there is no paradox, because the time stream is travelling in both directions. (hmnn.. can i have a nobel prize now?)
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:56 am
If someone in the future actually built a time machine, wouldn't the past already be changed?
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:15 pm
Mich- Afraid I don't have a nobel prize, however how about a high five? :: high five:: rock on xD
Ninja: Yeah I was kinda thinkin' that. But then I got really confused and decided to just not think about it =3
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:43 pm
Ninja Emoticon If someone in the future actually built a time machine, wouldn't the past already be changed? Or what if a time machine has already been built, and the present is what has been directly effected by that. wink guess there is no real way to know 4laugh
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:19 am
Daliinn Ninja Emoticon If someone in the future actually built a time machine, wouldn't the past already be changed? Or what if a time machine has already been built, and the present is what has been directly effected by that. wink guess there is no real way to know 4laugh people wake every day influenced by dreams of the future, and make decisions which the future considers the past; when you are in the futrue and someone in the past makes decisions based upon your present actions, you consider it a change. People in the present perceive the past, and people in the future perceive the present and the past; but people in the past perceive the present and the future, and people in the present perceive both the past and the future. So all of us are making immediate decisions based upon the influences of each other, as if the past and future were merely distances separated like the seas and oceans.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:59 pm
I've been working on developing a more refined theory of time in the FFA. Guild "The Enlightened" There's a link to the thread on the front home page - go check it out ^_^
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:01 pm
I always pondered time travel, but didn't preceive it would happen, at least not in my lifetime. If it did become available in my lifetime, it would be really expensive and I wouldn't be able to afford it in the future or waste my money on it because, I figured, if time travel were true, I'd have everything meterial I've ever lost.
I'd go back to the moment in time where I lost my gameboy color with Pokemon Silver in it in the eighth grade and return it to myself (because I miss it so dearly) without me seeing myself. Something to that idea, well, I've gotten nothing I've ever lost back, so I figured time travel just isn't a possibility in this lifetime.
Or, there are rules set up in the future about time travel. I don't know why they'd make a rule against returning a gameboy to a fourteen-year-old boy who lost it but... ah well. It's an interesting topic, but I suppose I've pondered it enough for at least a little while. ^.^;;
Two of my most favorite movies happenn to be Clockstoppers and The Butterfly Effect. Those movies, IMO, put time travel into really cool and interesting contexts. I've always longed to have a hyper-time watch so I could take a three-hour nap in one-and-a-half seconds. I figure I'd be a much happier person if that were possible. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:24 pm
we can already travel into the future. As for travelling into the past, that's more a matter of ontology. As to changing the past, for whatever reason you needed to, you already have. Although there's another theory about timeline writing, perhaps in some sort of paradise after death we rewrite our lives to make more sense, although at what price?
shall we lose the wisdom we gained, and what would we gain by changing our lives? perhaps we would be better people, but how would we be different, and how would we retain wisdom for lessons that we wrote out of existence? Perhaps if there were a double reset, then it would work, like one life of utter crap (this one), followed by a life where things go right (the next one) and at the end of the second, the memory of the first returns, sort of like a reverse reincarnation theory?
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:34 am
I hate time travel. The concepts and ideas involved completely do my head in. eek gonk whee burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes burning_eyes
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