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 Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:08 pm
Terry Pratchett Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder. Elves are marvelous. They cause marvels. Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies. Elves are glamorous. The project glamour. Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantments. Elves are terrific. They beget terror. No one ever said elves are nice. Elves are bad. Humans don't seem to remember what it was like when elves were around. Life was certainly more interesting then, but usually because it was shorter. And it was more colorful, if you liked the color of blood. It got so people didn't even dare talk openly about the bastards. You said: The Shining Ones. You said: The Fair Folk. And you spat,and touched iron. But generations later, you forgot about the spitting and the iron, and you forgot why you used those names for them, and you remembered only that they were beautiful.
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:08 pm
Wight Lord Terry Pratchett Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder. Elves are marvelous. They cause marvels. Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies. Elves are glamorous. The project glamour. Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantments. Elves are terrific. They beget terror. No one ever said elves are nice. Elves are bad. Humans don't seem to remember what it was like when elves were around. Life was certainly more interesting then, but usually because it was shorter. And it was more colorful, if you liked the color of blood. It got so people didn't even dare talk openly about the bastards. You said: The Shining Ones. You said: The Fair Folk. And you spat,and touched iron. But generations later, you forgot about the spitting and the iron, and you forgot why you used those names for them, and you remembered only that they were beautiful. If you take a look at human history, we have a tendancy of doing that. Good and evil are still judged by appearances. Anything that is appealing to the eye is almost always considered good and incapable of doing the most hidious acts imaginable. And most people view criminals as ugly bruits with tatoos, scars and possibly even some sort of deformity. But we also tend to forget that many of our "heros" have some dark streak in them that history usually fails to mention, and even "villans" have been known to do a good deed once in a while. Just goes to show that humans have no idea what they are doing and tend to be ignorant of a great many things.
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:57 pm
Being a gnome, I know what fairies were like. There are are some gnomes old enough that they remember their fathers telling them about them. Then you pick up a collection of childrens tales and you find them being depicted as benevolent. It's like being jewish, and finding out that somebody is printing books glorifying Heinrich Himmler.
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 8:09 pm
Wight Lord Being a gnome, I know what fairies were like. There are are some gnomes old enough that they remember their fathers telling them about them. Then you pick up a collection of childrens tales and you find them being depicted as benevolent. It's like being jewish, and finding out that somebody is printing books glorifying Heinrich Himmler. Sadly, much of our history is like that. All it takes is to be on the winning side for barberic and inhumane actions to become stories of heroism and bravery. But if fairies weren't the benevolent creatures our storys make them out to be, which ones are?
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 8:49 pm
Thyna But if fairies weren't the benevolent creatures our storys make them out to be, which ones are? The simple answer would be "none", but that wouldn't be entirely truthful. Some stories about benevolent fairies are pure fiction, with no source or inspiration. Sometimes though, they're inspired by other things. They are known as "landvættir", or, "earth-wights". That is the collective name of such creatures as gnomes and dvergar. In partictular, the tomte were very kind and helpful, if a bit tempermental. They would do good deeds, and perform chores, and could be a great boon to people who needed the help.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:06 pm
i voted no for a good reason. As much as I would like to bring the elves back, it would bring more bad than good. most humans would try destroying them, because as a species we tend to want to destroy what we cant explain. I am perfectly content with the elves in the Astral Plane
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:01 pm
Priest of Odd Terry Pratchett Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder. Elves are marvelous. They cause marvels. Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies. Elves are glamorous. The project glamour. Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantments. Elves are terrific. They beget terror. No one ever said elves are nice. Elves are bad. Humans don't seem to remember what it was like when elves were around. Life was certainly more interesting then, but usually because it was shorter. And it was more colorful, if you liked the color of blood. It got so people didn't even dare talk openly about the bastards. You said: The Shining Ones. You said: The Fair Folk. And you spat,and touched iron. But generations later, you forgot about the spitting and the iron, and you forgot why you used those names for them, and you remembered only that they were beautiful. Ha, not all elves are the same, no more than all humans are the same. We are much different from humans, but further alienation isn't necessary. Many elves are racist, yes, and so they give others a bad impression, but not all of us are like that. In my village, I'm working on breaking down racial barriers (which isn't easy, but I have thousands of years for that). I, however, do agree that elves should remain separate from this world. Fusing the two worlds into what they once were would only be asking for chaos. Humans kill off what they don't understand, and the majority of elves have not set aside racism enough to come to the humans. Neither side is ready to meet the other, so they must stay apart.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:46 pm
Just because they remain misunderstood is not a good reason to suddenly unlock the separation that allows for groups to learn everything. Too much knowledge is often more unsettling than anything else. It's perhaps best to leave the elves to the fairy tales.
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:03 am
no species is truly either good or evil, an individual has different emotions than another, different convictions. this is the problem with humans.
too constantly will they be swayed by another's suggestions and obey even to a point without knowing it. insects are only bad becasue people make them out to be or they dont look appealing, rare is it genuinely becasue they are harmful. basically people rely on physical senses too much and always assume things as fact just becasue they appear that way. if i showed a person a criminal for example they would most likely assume that they are a bad person simply becasue thay have the title of being a criminal and they might not look completely refined and pristine per se. but really the title only applies to people who break laws, rules defined by humans. so for example if a law made it illegal to have something rediculus like a green shirt then most likely people would still assume that this person is convicted for a worse crime because thats the connotation of "criminal" even though morally they might not even slightly be in the wrong.
put simply, a large majority of humans base percieved connotations with assumptions. its why a species such as an elf could not live becuase people would rather kill then take a chance.
essentially bringing back another species would serve as a punishment for them becasue their general population would have to deal with such a large population of idiots.
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