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 Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:49 pm
Some of you have seen this in either the subforum or in my journal. Still, I feel there is something that we're missing and I would like others to look at it and see what they think. I was rereading Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire the other day, and came across a line that- in retrospect of Book 6- strikes me as a bit odd. Here's the line: Voldemort And then I asked myself, but how could they have believed I would not rise again? They, who knew the steps I took, long ago, to guard myself against mortal death? They, who had seen proofs of the immensity of my power in the times when I was mightier than any wizard living? -GoF, US paper back edition page 648. Emphasis my own. Now, what do we know about Voldemort? We know that he does not tell all of his death eaters everything. Kakaroff even said that they never knew all of Voldemort's follower's names. We know that this protects his follower's partially from traitors. We know that he doesn't think the loyal enough to each other (which is probably fairly accurate) to combine their knowledge and defeat him. Now, Dumbledore said that Lucius didn't know the diary was a Horcrux, and probably didn't know the Dark Lord had Horcruxes at all. Just because Lucius didn't know, however, doesn't mean that someone didn't. Just because Lucius didn't know doesn't mean that Regulus might not have known, and the plucked up the courage to act on that knowledge. Well, how did Regulus find out you ask? That I have explained a bit (in part with Joie's help). Slughorn speciffically remembers Regulus, and when Sirius is brought up it is Regulus he remembers. He doesn't wish he could have had Sirius instead of Regulus, but Sirius WITH Regulus. Because of Slughorn's personality, it is altogether plausible that Regulus was a wizard of note. Some would argue that Slughorn would use Regulus for connections to the Black family, but Sirius would have been the better choice if that were the reason and Slughorn would have ignored the fact that Sirius hated that he had those connections. Since Regulus was for some reason deemed worth Slughorn's attention, it is possible that he was closer to Voldemort than Sirius realized. Perhaps, even, one of Voldemorts inner circle. It's possible that Voldemort himself even told Regulus about the one Horcrux, for some reason. Also, Bellatrix was skilled in Occlumency (she trained Draco). It is possible that Regulus was as well. What that really has to do with anything, I'm not sure, but it is probably related somehow. Thoughts, anyone?
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:18 pm
Well Reg, the picture you paint of Regulus Black - that of a Death Eater who was very much in Voldemort's inner circle, who found out something that could destroy him, and bravely acted on that knowledge to serve the greater good - differs greatly from how Sirius describes him to Harry, a low minion who got scared and ran after getting in so deep.
But I have read a few of your essays, and so I know how you have minutely examined all references to Regulus, especially his brother's tone and body language when speaking of him, and I am inclined to agree with the conclusions you've drawn.
I think that in the next book we'll see much more of Regulus Black and R.A.B, who're hopefully the same people, and we'll see things like the circumstances of Regulus's death, and his real relationship with Sirius, etc.
3nodding
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:29 pm
Are my essays that influential twisted ?
I will be the first to admit that I am obsessed with Regulus. Sometimes scarily so. However, I believe that every character should have at least once person who is expert on him or her, and Regulus seemed suprisingly lacking!
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:50 pm
Your essays are excellent.
I wonder if somewhere out there is an expert on Peeves?
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:22 pm
Somewhere, way way out there, I am sure that someone decided to be a Peeves expert 3nodding xd
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:43 pm
If I was an expert I would choose to be an expert on Luna. biggrin
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:35 pm
but why? there really is no plausible reason that voldi would tell his death eaters anything remotely important because he never may know who's a traitor.... and i finally found out why your story was named defying gravity the other day... xd
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:50 pm
Aquafinn but why? there really is no plausible reason that voldi would tell his death eaters anything remotely important because he never may know who's a traitor.... and i finally found out why your story was named defying gravity the other day... xd lol. Probably good to know. Why? That's easy enough. Voldemort doesn't just like power, or just winning. He has this need to be admired and praised. Seen as better than everyone. He would only tell his followers enough that they could admire him, but never enough that they could beat him. In that respect, Tom Riddle would have made a great Gryffindor. Gryffindors don't just like doing the right thing, they like to be admired for it (or play the marytr either way works). Tom couldn't just be powerful. He must be admired and powerful, and you can't be admired for something no one knows about.
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:07 pm
RegulusofSlytherin Aquafinn but why? there really is no plausible reason that voldi would tell his death eaters anything remotely important because he never may know who's a traitor.... and i finally found out why your story was named defying gravity the other day... xd lol. Probably good to know. Why? That's easy enough. Voldemort doesn't just like power, or just winning. He has this need to be admired and praised. Seen as better than everyone. He would only tell his followers enough that they could admire him, but never enough that they could beat him. In that respect, Tom Riddle would have made a great Gryffindor. Gryffindors don't just like doing the right thing, they like to be admired for it (or play the marytr either way works). Tom couldn't just be powerful. He must be admired and powerful, and you can't be admired for something no one knows about. i see your point.. but if you had the secret to immortality would you brag about it to anyone?
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:42 pm
Well, it's not like it's really a "secret". You just have to do a lot of research. Slughorn knew.
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:52 pm
RegulusofSlytherin Well, it's not like it's really a "secret". You just have to do a lot of research. Slughorn knew. yeah but still he would have to take a guess that he did do it and go into his past to find stuff on where they could be something tells me that would be hard to cover up..... and thats a godd point how did slughorn know... and how did riddle hear about them in the first place
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:30 am
Hi Aquafinn. Nice to see you have made your way into our illustrious Guild.
You're right Reg. Almost everything people do is for the benefit of others to the benefit of themselves. Such as, I would do something so someone could see and the opinion they form would reflect my opinion. Know what I mean? So Big V wanted someone to know, so they could form an opinion and their reaction would gratify him.
wink
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:49 am
Acidic Cynic Hi Aquafinn. Nice to see you have made your way into our illustrious Guild. You're right Reg. Almost everything people do is for the benefit of others to the benefit of themselves. Such as, I would do something so someone could see and the opinion they form would reflect my opinion. Know what I mean? So Big V wanted someone to know, so they could form an opinion and their reaction would gratify him. wink Exactly. The Dark Lord didn't just want power and immortality- though those were certainly nice- he wanted glory. He wanted to say "Oh look at me! See how evil I am! I am horrible enough to make a Horcrux, which means I won't hesistate to kill you." I doubt any of his Death Eaters knew how many Horcruxes he actually made, and only those that were closest could possibly know about the Horcruxes at all. He wasn't going to tell just anyone, but those he needed to fear him the most to keep their loyalty. One problem, it backfired once. Regulus was told about the locket Horcrux to keep him loyal, because I think he was probably a fairly good wizard if Slughorn remembered him AFTER he was dead and AFTER he would have stopped being useful. He does not remember people who were not useful (e.g. he can't even remember Ron's name after he nearly died in his office). He decided that he'd had enough with the killing- and in my version it was mostly because he'd realized that they weren't just killing muggle-borns but everyone. That it didn't matter how pure your blood was, in the end you still died. He went and took the Horcrux, but knew he would not have time to destroy it before he died for abandoning the Death Eaters. He hid it in Grimmauld place and, perhaps, charmed it to look silver as most things in that house are silver and they probably would have noticed a 'Heavy gold locket' as opposed to just a 'heavy locket'.
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:39 am
RegulusofSlytherin Acidic Cynic Hi Aquafinn. Nice to see you have made your way into our illustrious Guild. You're right Reg. Almost everything people do is for the benefit of others to the benefit of themselves. Such as, I would do something so someone could see and the opinion they form would reflect my opinion. Know what I mean? So Big V wanted someone to know, so they could form an opinion and their reaction would gratify him. wink Exactly. The Dark Lord didn't just want power and immortality- though those were certainly nice- he wanted glory. He wanted to say "Oh look at me! See how evil I am! I am horrible enough to make a Horcrux, which means I won't hesistate to kill you." I doubt any of his Death Eaters knew how many Horcruxes he actually made, and only those that were closest could possibly know about the Horcruxes at all. He wasn't going to tell just anyone, but those he needed to fear him the most to keep their loyalty. One problem, it backfired once. Regulus was told about the locket Horcrux to keep him loyal, because I think he was probably a fairly good wizard if Slughorn remembered him AFTER he was dead and AFTER he would have stopped being useful. He does not remember people who were not useful (e.g. he can't even remember Ron's name after he nearly died in his office). He decided that he'd had enough with the killing- and in my version it was mostly because he'd realized that they weren't just killing muggle-borns but everyone. That it didn't matter how pure your blood was, in the end you still died. He went and took the Horcrux, but knew he would not have time to destroy it before he died for abandoning the Death Eaters. He hid it in Grimmauld place and, perhaps, charmed it to look silver as most things in that house are silver and they probably would have noticed a 'Heavy gold locket' as opposed to just a 'heavy locket'. yeah i noticed the descriptions varied too ^^ but anyway that i guess would make sense... nother question xd : how did slughorn know about horocruxes at all? @acydic cynic(... that right... right?)... well anyway thankies ^^
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:29 pm
That, I believe is the real question. How could Slughorn know when it's supposed to be so evil? Where did Slug pick it up? Hm... ninja
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