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 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:52 am
Commrades!
As many many of us intrested in the elections have noticed is a somwhat subtle communist tone in Barack Obamas campain. With Barack's attention to free health care and spreading of the wealth to the peoples, it seems like america may be moving twoards a communist future. I ask commrades, has anyone else noticed this? Do you agree with my veiws or am i j.ust desperate for change? I wanna know if my commrades feel as if our time has finally come or am i looney...
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:48 pm
I think we are moving slowly towards socialism, not communism. Which is a positive change, and will make communism better in the minds of all--if this slow move is carried out well, that is. If Obama makes that change, I think he would make it well, as he's an intelligent, charismatic guy.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:30 pm
Were far to quick to jump to the conclusion Obama will actually serve us change. Even if he gives us free health care we still are not a socialist country and he is still a bourgeois. People also take to literally when he says "give wealth to the people" he merely wants to expand the middle class. If you look at his campaign website he's very strong on preserving capitalism. Free health care is either something he think capitalism needs to expand or to appeal to a certain audience. Not to be pessimistic, but i doubt much will actually "Change"
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:21 pm
Oh, certainly, he'll just be a small amount of change. I don't really buy into that, he's the Messiah and will fix everything, thing.
But, it is a move in the right direction--and the important thing is people are now more open to socialism and these changes he is saying he will bring, which is good. It's what the people are pushing for, even if he doesn't bring it, that's important.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:12 am
I don't think Obama will really change anything, and I know for a fact that he is far from being socialist or communist. I think you're just being overly hopeful.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:00 am
Xion--if you read what I said, it's the fact there's a widespread push for a president who people find socialist. It's the fact that there's a widespread push for a president who says he wants a more socialized healthcare system and a more socialized tax system, that's what's important.
It's the masses pushing for this, that's what's important.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:16 am
The only people I've heard refer to Obama as "socialist" by any means have been the republicans and the people against him. They call him socialist and communist in an attempt to undermine his campaign because of Cold War mentalities. Until you, I'd never heard a supporter call him socialist. Yes, he does have socialist tendencies with the health care thing, but that doesn't make him socialist. It also doesn't mean that every Obama supporter supports that.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:28 pm
Yeah... mabey i am just hungry for change... a little too hungry neutral
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:45 pm
xion-dono The only people I've heard refer to Obama as "socialist" by any means have been the republicans and the people against him. They call him socialist and communist in an attempt to undermine his campaign because of Cold War mentalities. Until you, I'd never heard a supporter call him socialist. Yes, he does have socialist tendencies with the health care thing, but that doesn't make him socialist. It also doesn't mean that every Obama supporter supports that. Yet he's perceived as socialist, and his health care and tax policies are more socialist than we currently have. It doesn't matter what he is but what the masses are pushing for.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:05 pm
I already said this once, but apparently I have to say it again:
the people calling him socialist are not the masses that are supporting him, they are the masses that are trying to undermine his campaign.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:09 pm
What they're called doesn't matter, his policies are more socialist and people know it, and still want it.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:53 pm
What besides his health care policy is completely socialist? What major policy that is in the debates and is one of his "platforms"? Because all I ever hear about is the economy (he's very much a capitalist), the war, and health care. Then some bashing about McCain, some rolling of the eyes, some promises of change, and good day my fellow Americans, I have you wrapped around my finger.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:16 pm
Obama is not a socialist. Yes, the people who label him as such do so in a derogatory way to make him less appealing to the American public.
His healthcare plan is hardly socialist; at the most, he would simply create a national insurance ("single-payer") agency. The health care facilities would still be businesses that are run for-profit. Socialist? Hardly.
Obama's policies are not socialist ... it's modern American liberalism, or social liberalism ... a capitalistic ideology that believes that regulated capitalism coupled with some basic welfare ("safety nets") is the best way to organize an economy.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:38 pm
People are voting for his taxing the rich higher and the poor lower, and trying to make HC a right (or at least saying he is).
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:38 am
Of course people want to tax the rich more, people ALWAYS want to tax the rich more, because THEY'RE not rich. That's not socialism, that's normal human greed. Especially after the past 8 years of Bush giving the rich tax breaks and us seeing just how splendidly that went over.
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