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Lelandra
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:36 pm


Okay, so I may not WRITE fanfiction and post it on fanfiction.net, but I do read and review.

I tend to use a clipboard or pull up the review box early and make note of errors or make suggestions on how to improve an area in writing, recently when I do this I have been getting replys with requests to stop.

So is that a bad thing to do? should I just follow the masses, say "nice fic but you should check your grammar dude" and go on?
It takes me forever to review a story that I really want to help the author out with and it is slightly annoying that the more I take my time with the reviews, the more responses to stop reviewing the way I do I end up getting.

I would love some other thoughts on this. anyone?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:30 am


I guess it all depends on the author whose story you're reviewing. Some people just aren't interested in receiving more in-depth reviews, or any type of constructive criticism for that matter. I've ran into a few of those myself along the years and got into a few annoying situations where I was accused of flaming.

Personally, when I review - which isn't as often as I probably should - I look closely at the author notes and sometimes even check out the author's profile. If the person strucks me as the serious kind that is looking to grow as an author, I'll be as thorough as I can in my comments. But if they look like the type that just wants to get cheap ego boosters, I'll either keep it short and simple or not review at all.

It's probably not the best policy, but it beats getting mistaken for a flamer or wasting my time on something that won't be appreciated. For what it's worth, there are still authors who do like to get that kind of thoughtful review you write, myself included.

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Lelandra
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:50 pm


I haven't been called a flamer, thank goodness, not that those claims would make any sense if someone did complain. The whole point of reviewing is to offer help and opinons on the piece of work you are reviewing. I just don't know what to think about the people who have been complaining about how I review.
thanks for the support though. It's nice once and awhile.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:39 am


I can kind of see it going both ways. Personally, as much as I like getting reviews and I want my story to be accurate, I do find it somewhat annoying if someone's entire review isn't a review at all, but a list of grammar errors and suggestions on what to fix in my story.

Now that said, I don't mind getting PMs from people who have read my story and want to offer corrections/suggestions at all. Especially if they review it as well.

I think that if you're going to offer a list of grammar/spelling corrections, then just PM it to the author, because really, it's for the author's benefit. WHen you post it in the review section and everyone who's reading the story can read it (I don't know about you guys but I've been known to read the reviews of stories I liked but didn't write)... I don't know. I feel that it can make the author look bad or less professional, when many times the errors are simply honest mistakes that got overlooked.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:43 am


I'd say be careful on how you list the grammar errors and such. For instance if you say "Awesome chapter but This, That, This, This, This, That, That, There, This, and of course That are all WRONG." Then I don't think people are going to jump up and down and say "Ohh, thank you for listing all of my faults in such a harsh way. I have seen the light." xD At the very lest try and say what you thought of the chapter overall, and say maybe "Oh, by the way I noticed that you had a few typos." (or mistakes or mishaps but sticking to something that suggests an accident is better usually) then you might get a few more thanks.

But there are people who seriously don't care. x3 But usually it's pretty easy to tell those type from how they write, what their A/N at the beginning/end (or even in the bloody middle) of the fic says. If they specifically ask for people to leave no pointers then you might want to pay attention to that too.

On a personal note: I absolutely love it when people point out my mistakes. It really helps! I find that no matter how many times I re-read it I'll always miss SOMETHING. When someone reviews and says "Hey you got this wrong!" I have a huge "THANK YOU!!!!" moment. Unless they just weren't reading carefully and said something stupid. (It's only happened once, but someone thought that I meant 'space rocket' when i wrote 'space-rock' (and I did mean a rock from space) but in the context and setting of the fic it was understandable so I said 'x3 Nope, that's supposed to be space rock')

Then again if someone reviews and ONLY tells me of the flaws although I'm grateful for the pointers, I'd also like to know what they thought of the chapter/story as a whole. :3 So... Don't JUST give lists of pointers. biggrin

That's just my take on it thought :3
PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:37 pm


One wonders why they'd bother caring to reply like that if they don't care enough to improve their own writing and stories?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:05 pm


I think a review is good when you point out both the good and the things that need work. There's a group of people I keep in contact with on ff.net that usually give me very good reviews, but they also help too. Like maybe, "This concept or idea is good but you need to fix the tense in that part." And if the person is too immature to realize you're trying to help, not flame, then it's a lost cause...
PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:30 pm


Personally on my first Fanfiction I got a few really good reviews. Stating the good things about my chapter and THEN stating the things I could fix. Due to the fact that this was my first story I was jumping up and down with joy to be reviewed but once I stopped grinning like an idiot I really appreciated the help.

I myself personally have given I think two reviews that listed a lot of corrections that the author could fix. The first one I did I got a really positive reply thanking me for telling her and how surprised she was that some cared enough to take the time to point those things out. I however did not leave that list of things in a review I sent it to her in a PM. But I also left a good review before I sent the list.

The second one, after looking at the persons profile and how they wrote their story I signed out and sent it as an anonymous review so as not to be accused of flaming (I wasn't but I didn't want to take the chance).

So really it just depends on the author and how you send the critique.

Lil-Ella-Sash


SpunkyOtaku

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:08 am


Oh, getting helpful critiques all the time would be wonderful. I'm glad that right now my biggest fanfiction project has a good critiquing reviewer.

The key is though, familiarity. Really, it is. I mean, if you want to keep all reviews from getting accused as flamers, start off easy. It's how I work. Say what I thought was specifically good, then mention the few vague things I noticed off. If it's a story updated again, then it's easier to get more in depth on your critiques. But if you start off easy, then the person receiving the advice should be understanding of what you're trying to do.

Aeori's right, a harsher list of faults is not really a friendly way to go. Especially in text, it's much harder to interpret words and their meanings. A list of critiques can easily sound condescending.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:03 pm


Lelandra
Okay, so I may not WRITE fanfiction and post it on fanfiction.net, but I do read and review.

I tend to use a clipboard or pull up the review box early and make note of errors or make suggestions on how to improve an area in writing, recently when I do this I have been getting replys with requests to stop.

So is that a bad thing to do? should I just follow the masses, say "nice fic but you should check your grammar dude" and go on?
It takes me forever to review a story that I really want to help the author out with and it is slightly annoying that the more I take my time with the reviews, the more responses to stop reviewing the way I do I end up getting.

I would love some other thoughts on this. anyone?


That's much the same what I do. Except that I put the review and then the corrections (never suggestions though, because I really hate telling people what to do, especially online) into seperate parts. Like the review will be first and the corrections second. I don't know though if it's a good thing or not. I'm really only reading one fanfiction right now over there and the authors is such an amazing and capable writer (he even removed eight-chapter story from online to edit/rewrite parts of it and then put the first few chapters back up), but I'm not sure if he enjoys my reviews even though he says that he does. After all, he could just be trying to be polite.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:52 am


I appreciate editing suggestions on reviews and PMs. I'm trying to grow as a writer and I find them helpful. Well, as long as they are put in a polite manner. I recently got a PM on Ocarina of Time: Retold that gave me an editing suggestion and I printed it out to put in my writing portfolio for future reference.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:14 pm


Fierce Deity Rocker
I appreciate editing suggestions on reviews and PMs. I'm trying to grow as a writer and I find them helpful. Well, as long as they are put in a polite manner. I recently got a PM on Ocarina of Time: Retold that gave me an editing suggestion and I printed it out to put in my writing portfolio for future reference.


That's sort of my way of thinking, I mean anyone who takes pride in what they write wants to improve right?

Lelandra
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:33 pm


Okay, guys, I'm gonna take a slightly opposite stand. I probably would take at least some offence to a review that's mostly a list of things I did wrong. I would be polite in my reply and thank the reviewer for their time and effort though. I would use the suggestions to fix what's already been written and to keep an eye out to not make the same mistakes in the future, but in the back of my head I'd be constantly thinking, "Was my writing SO bad that this reader couldn't simply enjoy the story?" or "Did this girl sit down with a notebook just to record every mistake I made?"

I'm not saying that I don't appreciate the occasional, you might want fix THIS typo and THAT verb tense because I very much do. I write because I enjoy it and I want my readers to enjoy it too. I don't think any of them should feel obligated to study my work to try and find the hidden mistakes. If they happen to notice one or six, no problem. Please let me know. I just don't want to sit through a list of everything that sucks about what I've written.

This review I had absolutely no problem with:
silvane

ok, Good news/bad news time. Good news- you have a well written story, and with almost none of the common errors. Your story pacing and character voices are very well done. It has an intriguing plot, and I look forward to the rest of it.
Bad news- there is no way that /anyone/ could identify 300 spoken languages and speak half of them by age 17. More reasonable numbers, if Duo is a genius or idiot savant would be being able to identify maybe 50 and speak 15 or 20. If he isn't linguistically gifted, he might be able to identify 20 and speak 6. Both of these depend on some serious, concentrated study, starting when Father Maxwell took him in, with a mastery of 2 or 3 learned on the streets, and continuing up to this last mission.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:56 am


I don't recieve very many reviews like that, so I'm not quite sure how I think. The first one I can remember mentioned some plot holes I guess, and that I may have used some slightly more modern language in a more historicalish story. I didn't take offence or anything, but I felt the need to explain my reasons for doing what I did. In retrospect, I could have handled it better I think, but oh well.

There was/is one girl who had been reading one of my stories, and she said she enjoyed it, but there were several grammar/spelling errors, and she offered to help by beta reading, which I really appreciated.

Not saying that you should do the same, I'm just bringing it up.

But yeah, I don't know how I'd respond to a list of errors in a reveiw. I would be glad that someone cared enough to go to all that trouble, but it would give me a certain sense of dread at having to go through and edit the whole darned thing XP

I know it annoys me when my sister is reading a rough draft and she starts making edits, but that's because she tends to say what I did out loud and laugh at me, and I don't feel that's necessary.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:37 pm


@Gemmetra: It's good to know that your sister cares enough to proof-read for you, but it does suck that she laughs about your mistakes. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that she's the older sister, right? They tend to think they have that right.
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