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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:37 pm
The goals of this guild are threefold:
1. To unify like minds and support them. 2. To educate and inform people about Communism and its various ideologies. 3. To advance, strengthen, and unite Communist ideology.
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:41 pm
Unify And Support Like Minds
(Essay coming soon, or submit your own)
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:42 pm
Educate And Inform The Masses
(Essay coming soon, or submit your own)
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:44 pm
Advance, Strengthen, Unite Communist Ideology
How did Edison create the lightbulb?
Was it by insisting that the initial, broken prototypes were working? Did he cling religiously to the fifty-year old prototypes, insisting they were perfect but simply hadn't 'been carried out correctly'? Did he simply attempt the old prototypes of his forefathers over and over again and blindly insist it would work?
No! Thomas Edison did not simply accept the old ideas and attempt them over and over again. Had he done so, he rightly would have been considered insane.
Instead he worked to find new ways of doing this, knowing in his bones that creating a working lightbulb would revolutionize the world, change it for the better, and improve the lives of everyone.
We comrades, we advocates of Communism, have long insisted that the classical theories and prototypes of our ideologies would only have worked if they had been carried out correctly.
This may very well be so--however, to deny that the ideals of Communism must improve and evolve, and to deny that they are imperfect is the deny the chance for Communism to ever be implemented.
The ideals of Communism may be pretty as they are, and if we really choose to we can stop the ideals from growing and evolving here and now and freeze it as it once was, letting it sit on a shelf behind a glass and talk about how lovely it is. Or, we could continue to grow and evolve it, to adapt it to the world today, to advance it and to push it forward.
We must be critical of these ideals we hold so dear. We must hammer away at our beloved ideals: harshly but lovingly, so we may see every crack that will appear when the time comes for them to be tested.
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:49 pm
I think we need to single out some core beliefs- Not everyone who is for communism must be a liberal. I think we should make it clear that the issue we fight for is empowerment of workers, and not anything else- War, abortion, religion, gay rights and the likes should be separate issues apart from our united belief in the value of the worker. This is not to say that they are not issues to talk about, but they are not the essence of Communism.
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:42 pm
Divine is correct. We are Communists supporters, Not revolutionaries, i doubt anyone here has actually done anything that was radical. The best we can do is educate right now. Im sure we'll all become the revolutionary we want to be one day but right now we must teach. And to be a teacher we must do our best to teach ourselvs and that starts with the basics.
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:58 pm
Comrade Robson Divine is correct. We are Communists supporters, Not revolutionaries, i doubt anyone here has actually done anything that was radical. The best we can do is educate right now. Im sure we'll all become the revolutionary we want to be one day but right now we must teach. And to be a teacher we must do our best to teach ourselvs and that starts with the basics. Quoted for truth. I'm happy to have finally gotten my hands on a collected works book of Marx and Engels, so can finally really read this stuff (for some reason it's harder to digest online). Even just the first few pages of The Manifesto show how much some anti-Communist propaganda is an outright lie.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:48 am
I also think it's important to note that while Marx was the first, that doesn't mean that everything he says is correct all of the time- I think original drafts of ideas are good things to go by, but they should be very basic guidelines, with very little written in stone but the primary essentials.
This is how I work with religion, too. I just use the most basics of God, for example, and in all religions it boils down to this- "There is an intelligent, divine creator, often with many aspects or parts [Trinity in Christianity, the gods of Hinduism were all part of the Brahman, the gods of Egypt were part of Aton] who generally wants us to be decent people- without killing or harming anyone else in any way". - It removes things like unholy foods and women's subjugation and gay rights issues and really unifies all religions to a state of pure creation.
Sorry, got distracted there. The point is, even if a famous Communist says something, that doesn't necessarily make it the way it must be for Communism to function.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:37 pm
I agree. Our guild should discourage religious following of Marx and Communism.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:55 pm
Im against the following or Marx as a divine being. But pretty much everything he's written has proven to have validity. What in Marx's doctrine isn't correct?
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:26 pm
I would say that the guild needs to adopt a pluralistic atitude, if only because of the large range of Communist ideas.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:13 pm
Comrade Robson Im against the following or Marx as a divine being. But pretty much everything he's written has proven to have validity. What in Marx's doctrine isn't correct? What divine and I are saying is we shouldn't just assume everything he's said is 100% correct and that we should be willing to look for mistakes and improve upon them.
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:18 pm
Stickied.
Remember, you can submit things to vote on.
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:07 pm
divineseraph I think we need to single out some core beliefs- Not everyone who is for communism must be a liberal. I think we should make it clear that the issue we fight for is empowerment of workers, and not anything else- War, abortion, religion, gay rights and the likes should be separate issues apart from our united belief in the value of the worker. This is not to say that they are not issues to talk about, but they are not the essence of Communism. I agree with Divine's opinion that we should just focus on economic and political issues associated with the system of communism, and not be an exclusive guild tailored to those who are more liberal or radical in terms of social/personal issues. I think we should also try to define what we mean by "socialism, communism etc" in our guild constitution if the purpose here is to educate people and advance a specific ideology, because the terms are very vague. For example, we can vaguely define what we mean by the following terms and let people who identify themselves with such join the guild. Something simple like this should maybe be included in the guild constitution in my opinion: Social Democracy/Social Market: Heavy government regulation of the means of production with partial government ownership and welfare to benefit and empower the working-class. Socialism: State ownership of the means of production. Corporatism/Cooperativism: Mixed state/private ownership with the central state having direct control of the means of production; class collaboration. Communism: Communal ownership/control of the means of production; a state of social equality.
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:15 pm
You're forgetting Capitalism - Death and worldwide destruction, hate and animosity set up by a system of capital, property and money which is in a constant slope towards the wealthy through gravitation, leaving little to none for the sub-human working classes and slave laborers.
(Mostly satire, I'm not really that cynical all the time. Mostly.)
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