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Yes, I posted this in the subforum, but I wanted to make sure you guys saw it. Things move so fast in there I was afraid you might miss it. Anywho...

My Yami just pointed out something to me that I think all of us have over looked. Here it is:



Goblet of Fire, US Paperback Edition, pg 697. Emphasis mine.

Now, I don't know about you, but to me this sounds like a pretty significant thing. If Harry's wand won't work properly when he's fighting Voldemort, how in the heck is supposed to win, and visa versa? Does that mean that Harry is going to have to find some other way of killing Voldemort besides with his wand?

Because, if my interpritation of Horcruxes is correct, just destroying them won't kill Voldie. It will make it so that he is ABLE to die this time, but they won't kill him. Harry will have to destroy the Horcruxes and then kill him.

So, I prupose, that Harry will not be the one to actually finish Voldemort off. He can't use his want, as dueling Voldemort will only have the same effect that it did last time. Someone else is going to have to actually come in and do the actually killing.

Personally, I think this is going to be Neville. Why else bring him up in the prophecy at all? Why not just have Harry be the only wizarding child born then that the discripition could have fit? It doesn't change anything about the prophecy.

Also note, that the Prophecy never states in the line "neither can live while the other survies". We ASSUME that it's talking about Harry and Voldemort because the rest of the prophecy seems to be, but Prophecies seem to be very fragmentented things in the Harry Potter world. I'm rather under the impression that Trewlany sees more than she says but can't remember it afterward. Perhaps that line doesn't refur to Harry at all but someone else who will not be able to live while Voldemort survives.

I'm not so sure it would be anti-climatic. It wouldn't let me down at all because we've known Neville nearly as long as we've known Harry and a lot of fans really like him.

It would be different, but because he's been dragged into this prophecy buisness along with Harry, I would be surprised but not let down in anyway.

Maybe this is why Ollivander disappeared?
Voldemort needed a new wand that fits with himself, and who but the best for the self-appointed Dark Lord?
I also think that Voldemort realized that he needed a different wand if he ever wanted to kill Harry.




Weird that his shop was left empty. Empty of what? Empty of wands? Empty of Ollivander?

I agree with RBW, with Voldemort choosing which of the two boys to target and thereby choosing his own fate. I can see the Nevill thing working (and being wicked awesome!), but if and only if he and Harry do it together. You could make some sort of reference to "love" with it, as in, Harry, unlike Voldemort, knows how to value friendship and teamwork, and that's how he wins. But, yeah, I don't think Neville could just do it himself. It would be too much of a 180 after all the set-up of HARRY POTTER HARRY POTTER, etc. Also, Neville hasn't been showing up quite enough for me to consider that reasonable. Yeah, there were OotP references, and then (sadly) he kind of faded out in HBP. Even his showing up in the end battle didn't get much attention.

I've thought about it before too, and I don't think that Voldemort will die at Harry's wand. While reading the scene with the battle at the Ministry in OotP, it dawned on me that Harry is going to have to learn some seriously dark magic to kill Voldemort. I think that Harry is going to have to posess Voldemort to kill him. Dumbledore tells Harry that the love residing inside him saved him from posession by Voldemort.

well I always thought Voldemort would somehow inadvertantly cause his own undoing as he does it so well while making a mistake trying to kill baby Harry, trying again in the 1st book and failing by making the mistake to touch him, failing in the 3rd book by making a mistake and underestimating the phoenix power, and making a mistake by trying use the same wand against Harry. He is either on this major bad luck streak or really dumb. I think his demise will most likley come from his greatest weakness, his faith in death as the worst thing that can happen to you.

I think it'll be someone unexpected. I noticed the wand thing to and I don't think Harry will be the one to kill him. Maybe Draco or Snape. I just feel that it'll be someone no one else expects.

If we buy the prophecy which I, personally, don't. I mean, it's not much of a prophecy if it can be ignored is it? It's more of a...prossiblity then a what has to be thing.